Indian blood heritage..

deafdrummer said:
Yup... racial injustice. I don't know that I would want to be the one to bear these stories if I had a choice. See, something happened to my Mom, which I'm beginning to see why she seemed to marry men of mixed blood, starting with my Dad and later. Dad recalled a story that happened when I was a baby. We visited my Grandmother (her mother from the Payzant line), and Granny picked on Mom about my Dad, and when she got racist about him, Mom said, "That's it. THAT IS IT!" She packed up the suitcases and said, "Let's go..." We flew back, and just a month or two later, we went back for Grandmother's funeral. Mom never saw her again alive. Not a good place to end on. And I wonder how Granny viewed me on my mixed blood. Maybe I'd rather not find out?

It's hard... Because I'm never fully one or the other. I'm not totally white. And I'm not totally Indian, either. Same story for being deaf. I'm not Deaf, but I'm not hearing, either. And there's also another way in which I'm not fully one or the other, but I'm not going into it here. The point is, I'm not fully accepted by any of the dominant groups. Sure, I can go to the mixed club, but I feel so lost! I feel like I don't have any solid footing here. And this is where I begin to wonder - is there really any solid footing, based upon DIVISIONS of people into neat little boxes? A woman mentions that "all human culture... is a big game of make believe." ALL OF IT. Does this mean that I am free in the "mixed club?" That the lack of solid footing means exactly that; freedom! That I'm free to simply be???
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that's why... bottom line..... does it matter? :)

if you felt compelled to identify yourself as "white" or "Indian"... it's probably because you're dealing with racist people - both overt and insiduous.
 
Roca said:
I'm descended from the Powhatan Confederacy through a gg grandfather who was full-blooded.

His daughter,my great grandmother,lived to be very old. (102) I knew her during my youth.

I've had DNA testing done which confirms that I'm of African,European,and Asian/Native American heritage.

I'm an African American and Native American history buff.
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Does this DNA test confirm your place in the Indian line, like does it tell you, "you are (insert partial quotient here) Indian of this tribe)," or does it just say, you have these markers and that's all? I am interested in taking this test. Since I'm very new to this, who can I trust to do the test and not say, "You appear to be descended from Mahapadma Nanda (emperor of India) [snickers while typing the letter]. Congratulations!"
 
deafdrummer said:
Does this DNA test confirm your place in the Indian line, like does it tell you, "you are (insert partial quotient here) Indian of this tribe)," or does it just say, you have these markers and that's all? I am interested in taking this test. Since I'm very new to this, who can I trust to do the test and not say, "You appear to be descended from Mahapadma Nanda (emperor of India) [snickers while typing the letter]. Congratulations!"
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Native American DNA Testing for Tribal Rights
 
deafdrummer said:
Does this DNA test confirm your place in the Indian line, like does it tell you, "you are (insert partial quotient here) Indian of this tribe)," or does it just say, you have these markers and that's all? I am interested in taking this test. Since I'm very new to this, who can I trust to do the test and not say, "You appear to be descended from Mahapadma Nanda (emperor of India) [snickers while typing the letter]. Congratulations!"
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you could talk to chief
 
deafdrummer said:
(rereading the thread here)

Ahh, you see?! Look at the helmet in your avatar. Any Confederate ancestors there? That would explain your rebel streak!
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yes, on my mother's side of the family. First Arkansas Cavalry & Stand Watie’s Cherokee Mounted Rifles.

my father's side of the family did not come to America until 1880s
 
CSign said:
My 2nd Great Grandmother was Coast Miwok, a tribe located primarily in Marin County, CA. She lost her parents at a very young age, and became a servant/slave. I found her in the 1900 census as a servant, and she married a few years later.
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I don't know yet, but it appears that my great-great Grandmother was already 70s or older by the time the photo I posted was made, which I think was about 1905-1910, meaning she was born 1840s or possibly earlier. This is a helluva a stretch to think that my Grandfather was born 124 years ago! I have a friend who has five generations alive! The oldest is ONLY about 85 or so! My DAD would be 94, and I'm only in my 40s! :shock: See, my Grandmother was #4 out of 5, and my Dad was #4 out of 5. So, you have the illusion that our family spans the centuries, but really, the problem is, they don't live long after the last kids are born. I never got to know my grandparents. I came along 25 years after my previous half-sibling was born! :shock:
 
kokonut said:
Native American DNA Testing for Tribal Rights
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Yep! And there is LIVE chat available right now if you're curious. I'm waiting on a Native American Specialist to contact me back to give me details on testing. I can't afford to do it right now, I don't think, but it sure does feel good to know it's there. The question is whether this is enough to get me enrolled, since the records I have are all I have, and they are not rolls records, only various town census records from 1850 to 1900, and I don't know that the ancestor/stry.com things are going to work for me or end up in a dead end, and pay out money anyway. The rolls records were destroyed at a BIA location (and I'm thinking intentionally) during a flood or a fire or something.

LOL, there is even a search page at ancestry.com that contains copies of my great grandfather's Confederate Pension Application submitted in 1907. I have to JOIN to even see the dang thing. BUT ah-hah, I have a copy on loan from my stepmother, and I'm in the process of scanning it in.

Thurman Pate - Ancestry.com
 
C.C.Sinned said:
yes, on my mother's side of the family. First Arkansas Cavalry & Stand Watie’s Cherokee Mounted Rifles.

my father's side of the family did not come to America until 1880s
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Dayum! There's your answer! Do you have any information on why they were on the Confederate side in the war? I'll have to ask if my stepmother knows about the Pates' reasons for doing so.
 
deafdrummer said:
Dayum! There's your answer! Do you have any information on why they were on the Confederate side in the war? I'll have to ask if my stepmother knows about the Pates' reasons for doing so.
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the cherokee/choctaw relatives wanted to be left alone. live their lives in the new home (Oklahoma) that was forced on them.

The white relatives not to sure about their reasons. they all had small family farmers. grew what they need. just simple folks.
 
Supposedly some distant ancestor of mine was Indian, I forget what tribe, but I think that's just a fun family story.
both of my husband's great-great-grandparents were part Indian, Cherokee and Chocktaw. They lived in Oklahoma. Their daughter, my husband's great-grandmother, helped raise him, and she said her father wouldn't sign the Cherokee Registry because he just wanted to be an American. He said that's what the Civil War was about.

She had a lot of interesting stories about her dad. He seemed like quite a character.
 
deafdrummer said:
Does this DNA test confirm your place in the Indian line, like does it tell you, "you are (insert partial quotient here) Indian of this tribe)," or does it just say, you have these markers and that's all? I am interested in taking this test. Since I'm very new to this, who can I trust to do the test and not say, "You appear to be descended from Mahapadma Nanda (emperor of India) [snickers while typing the letter]. Congratulations!"
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DeafDrummer,

I DNAd with 23andme.com.

They use 3 population groups: European,African,Asian. With this company,FB Native Americans test as 75% Asian,25% European,give or take
10% either way,reflecting current theory that they originated in Central Asia.

This autosomal test will not say one's descended from a particular tribe.
Even if it were possible,for some east coast tribes,it's too late for DNA testing,there being no FB descendants left.

One interesting feature with 23 and Me is Relative Finder@. They match your DNA up against others in the database,give you a predicted range (ex:
3-7th cousin),and a most likely (ex: 4th cousin) relationship. I don't know how they do that! I have 361 DNA cousins on that site,of various race backgrounds.

The native nations will not acceot DNA testing for tribal membership. One
still has to prove direct descent from a registered member.

Some nations have a blood quantum requirement,some don't.Others have
geographic requirements.

I know of a lady in the Carolinas who wanted to join her parents Native nation,which I will call Tribe A. Tribe A refused her application because her parents were born outside of Tribe A's traditional counties of residence. She
did apply with Tribe B,with which she has a lower blood quantum,and is now
enrolled.

There are also cases where people are FB,descended from multiple tribes,but don't meet the blood quantum enrollment requirements for any of
them that they're descended from.

Nevertheless,do your best to track your heritage and learn the history and culture. It will enrich your life,regardless of one's ethnic background.
 
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the huge & fat cat ( really cute, indeed a huge kitty) sitting outside on the sidewalk and the words says " I am an american cat lol"
 
I am a mutt or Heinz 57! European like English and German mostly but my great grandmother on my father's side was said to be Blackfoot. But I don't believe that she had papers to prove it. She died before I was born. Very interesting. I love history and heritage. If you are born in America then you are Native American! Indian is a better term at this point in our history.
 
My great grandmother (mom's side) was full-blooded. I am very olive skinned and the only one to be this dark in my family and I was not adopted so I can only assume that it came from her. Perhaps there was a secret in my dad's side that is simply not talked about? lol.
 
MrsSaraR said:
My great grandmother (mom's side) was full-blooded. I am very olive skinned and the only one to be this dark in my family and I was not adopted so I can only assume that it came from her. Perhaps there was a secret in my dad's side that is simply not talked about? lol.
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Reminds me of a joke Dad told from time to time.

An old man was dying on his deathbed, and something was troubling him. He looked around at his family, and he feebly asked his wife, "Dear, I've got something that's always been on my mind over the years since the kids were born... I've always looked at Adam and felt like he wasn't like the rest of the kids. Is he really my kid?"

You could just see the look of a guilty person coming clean on her face when she replied, "Uhh, yes... He is yours. The only one that is yours."

But seriously, I have two half-sisters and a half-brother. Only one half-sister has the Indian look, and her kids definitely have the looks as well. The other sister and brother don't seem to pass for Indian AT ALL. I mean, white as ghosts (which is me when I don't get sun) and from red-headed to blond (I'm red-headed). Go figure. I was told today by a recently-made friend (within last two years) that I didn't look particularly Indian after telling him that I was doing this work on my family history. I said, well, it came from my grandmother, and he kept saying, well, you don't look it, though (and chuckling like I was an Indian wanna-be). It was odd that he kept saying that... I wonder why... I do have bolder cheekbones and a folding eyelid on one side and an anglo eyelid on the other. You can see the difference if you pay attention. But it's there.
 
deafdrummer said:
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I don't understand??? I know that the American Indians are the only true Native Americans but at this point I'm tired of all the African American, Mexican American, etc. crap! If that is the case then I'm a European American or a Heinz 57 American or a Mutt American. We are all Americans if we were born here or immigrated legally and became citizens! I am not degrading the Indians as I would love to be able to prove my heritage. I would like to know more about the DNA testing. Is it accurate and how much does it cost? Where does one get it done? :ty:
 
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