Indian blood heritage..

Grayma said:
Except our youngest two kids never sunburn- one of them was born darker than I am- and she has keloid scarring, which we were told is probably because of my husband's non-caucasian genetic background.
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Hold up, wait a minute... I had to look up keloid scarring. Not pretty, BUT, I BELIEVE that I had a case of it on my left knee when I scraped it rollerblading in the early 90s. When I cleaned up my dietary in mid-93 and went vegetarian, that scar of this type disappeared on its own. It's hard to see it now.

Consider this from the wiki on Cherokee mythology... "It was also believed that all human disease and suffering originated with the killing of animals for improper purposes, and that for each animal killed for pleasure or without proper ceremonies, it allowed a new disease to enter the physical world from the spirit world. It was also believed that the plants, in response to witnessing the suffering in the world, made a medicine to cure each sickness that entered the world in order to restore the balance of forces between the two worlds, the physical world and the spirit world."

Though I have my own explanation for diseases from years of experience, I would say that maybe the keloid scarring may come from the fact that pretty much all the meat at standard commercial processing plants are prepared without the awareness and custom of proper ceremonies... Never mind live in the wild! How many millions of animals are killed in this fashion...? Per year!!

Researchers believe that a possible explanation for keloid scarring may come from a lack of oxygen reaching the injured area, as the fine blood vessels at the end of the oxygen's journey can be blocked, especially if the person eats animal products, (evidence of the start of arterial damage from animal products have been documented in children), so you may have to teach your child to be careful about eating too much animal products.

When I was a child, I hunted with Dad in the typical white fashion, being that it was fun and the game was kept for food. After I went to college in the fall of the first year, it was the first time that I was away from hunting, and I was on someone's dairy farm. I felt lost and shocked, and it hit me hard what I had done in the years before. I never hunted again. I spent years struggling with the guilt over what I had done. It wasn't until years later that I finally realized that what I needed to do was see the animals standing before me in my mind, one or a family at a time, and acknowledge them while expressing sorry at my causing their deaths, with hugs. I felt an exchange of feelings, and they were able to walk away across the country and look back at me one final time. I still feel like what I did can't ever be taken back even though I had finally acknowledged them. They were waiting for years for me to acknowledge them and face them for what I did in one step, so that they could finally go home. I had known about what I did, but didn't know what to do to help them heal. The sense of being so haunted has gone away, though I have occasional bouts where I realize that there are more birds needing acknowledgment of my deeds (all the land animals have been able to move on after my doing so).
 
Reba said:
Sometimes the claim to American Indian ancestry isn't vetted enough:

Massachusetts Democratic Senate Candidate Elizabeth Warren Defends Registering as Part Native American, Saying She Wanted to Get Into ‘Luncheons’ | TheBlaze.com
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Throughout her career and political campaign, Elizabeth Warren has found victims everywhere she looked, including when she looked in the mirror and saw an alleged descendant of one of the most historically victimized groups, Native Americans.

In what may be the ultimate and cruelest irony, not only is it unlikely that Elizabeth Warren’s great-great-great grandmother was Cherokee, it turns out that Warren’s great-great-great grandfather was a member of a militia unit which participated in the round-up of the Cherokees in the prelude to the Trail of Tears.

The evidence resulted from a tip provided by a Legal Insurrection reader to a genealogical compilation of militia members who allegedly participated in the removal of the Cherokees from Georgia. The list included the name Jonathan Crawford, who was the husband of O.C. Sarah Smith, the person the Warren campaign has identified as Warren’s great-great-great grandmother and allegedly Cherokee.

Since confirming this genealogical information was outside my comfort zone, I forwarded the information to author and genealogist Michael Patrick Leahy, who already had written about and investigated Warren’s genealogy.
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» Cruel irony in Elizabeth Warren’s Cherokee saga - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

Irony can't begin to describe this turn of event.

And this gets deeper, too. University of Pennsylvania also listed Elizabeth Warren as a minority.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...as-a-minority/2012/05/10/gIQAmcNPGU_blog.html
 
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kokonut said:
» Cruel irony in Elizabeth Warren’s Cherokee saga - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

Irony can't begin to describe this turn of event.
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OMFA(pportioner)...

That was GOOD WORK. Somebody was looking for something!!!! OMFA... Wow... I came close... My maternal grandmother remarried after divorcing my grandfather. Turns out that she next married a Custer family member, directly descended from GENERAL CUSTER of Little Bighorn infamy. That is as far as I'm going on this. Facts are facts; it happened, and it appears that family members today have learned from this and acknowledged what happened. I have to be careful how I handle this situation. They are good people to me despite their history.

But wow dayum, Son, good find!
 
My maternal grandmother is not the Indian grandmother; that was my paternal grandmother. Completely different families with completely different histories. In fact, the first ancestor, I forget his name, came to the new world to some Island near Canada (Nova Scotia?), and he was scalped by the Indians and the family was kidnapped and eventually traveled through the french part of Canada, where the family was traded off to the soldiers at one of the french forts. Whoops... Way to go sometimes.

I can't remember if the french ancestry pops up there in the forts or if it came all the way from France, the scalped ancestor. We can trace it all the way back to somewhere around 1550 or so. That line of the family married into a German line, my grandfather. My uncle carried that line on. The Custer line got spliced on through marriage only from my place in the line.

Edit: I forgot that I have a extensive set of documents from someone in the family right next me for the maternal side of the family, and I have a "Miles Oakley," who was born in 1616 in Oakley Grove, Oakley, Cumberland, married in Great Neck, Long Island, New York, and died in 1698. No idea where Cumberland is, as googlemaps completely fails on me. I would have to ask about that.
 
Same family?

"1.MILES1OAKLEY (OKELEY) was born 15 July 1645 in the parish of Oakley Grove, Cumberland, England and died in West Chester, New York 16 May 1682"

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Reba said:
Same family?

"1.MILES1OAKLEY (OKELEY) was born 15 July 1645 in the parish of Oakley Grove, Cumberland, England and died in West Chester, New York 16 May 1682"
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Nope, different family. That particular couple, Miles Oakley and Mary Wilmot, ended that particular family line by having no children. As I said, he was born in July 15, 1616 and died May 10, 1698 in Westchester, NY. Apparently a common name AND a common immigration route, from England to America at the time.
 
deafdrummer said:
Nope, different family. That particular couple, Miles Oakley and Mary Wilmot, ended that particular family line by having no children. As I said, he was born in July 15, 1616 and died May 10, 1698 in Westchester, NY. Apparently a common name AND a common immigration route, from England to America at the time.
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What about the possibility of that being a descendant (child?) of a brother or other indirect ancestor?
 
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Not any Indian that I know of. Friends who are Indian. They think "indigenous" is funny. Too close to indigent, indulgent, indignant. Always good for laughs. Seriously, the common term around here is "Indian". I'm in Montana. We have Salish, Kootenai, Pend d'oreille, Nez Perce, Blackfoot, Crow, Lakota, and those are just the names that pop into my generally empty head.
 
jameshofmann said:
Not any Indian that I know of. Friends who are Indian. They think "indigenous" is funny. Too close to indigent, indulgent, indignant.
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I know!! I realized that recently. Like "since you are a native, you will ALWAYS BE POOR."

They assume it's bad to not have a lot of money or not be able to use the ATM on the side of the house for exotic trips to Africa every year.
 
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Big news!

I found out by accident that my aunt and uncle are NOT related to General Custer of Little Bighorn infamy. Somehow, the story got passed to me that their father was descended from General Custer along the line.

I wondered how they were related. Was that their great-grandfather, what? I found a family tree online that didn't have my aunt and uncle listed anywhere in the tree. Something didn't add up. So, I contacted them, and my uncle said, "Dad researched this pretty thoroughly and could not find any connection with the general. The *** redacted evidence *** belonged to General Montcalm, Canadian general in the French and Indian wars, and part of our mother's family."

I redacted the evidence in case there is some revenge war I don't know anything about. I chased down the MASSIVE rabbit hole that is the Montcalm-Gozon line on a web site somewhere today. It took an hour and a half to verify all the lines up to Mom's time. Maybe it's not Montcalm-Gozon, maybe it's Montcalm, another General. I'm waiting for word. But now, I can wash that blood from Little Bighorn out of my mind. That's got to be a messed up family to be naming children after him, which several parents down the line did. Did they have ANY idea what he did? Having sex with his female captives until his wife showed up? That's got to be a messed up family. He'll have sex with someone he wants to kill... It didn't seem like my aunt and uncle at all, so this is a big relief. As for why my Mom told me about the false connection, I don't know...

Back to the Indian thing... I'm going to ask my stepmother which relative was it who wouldn't cut her hair. Was it my grandmother, or my G-grandmother, or her mother? But she wouldn't because it's part of the Cherokee customs. I remember Dad telling me that many years ago. I'll find out.
 
deafdrummer said:
Maybe it's not Montcalm-Gozon, maybe it's Montcalm, another General. I'm waiting for word. But now, I can wash that blood from Little Bighorn out of my mind. That's got to be a messed up family to be naming children after him, which several parents down the line did. Did they have ANY idea what he did? Having sex with his female captives until his wife showed up? That's got to be a messed up family. He'll have sex with someone he wants to kill...

Back to the Indian thing... I'm going to ask my stepmother which relative was it who wouldn't cut her hair. Was it my grandmother, or my G-grandmother, or her mother? But she wouldn't because it's part of the Cherokee customs. I remember Dad telling me that many years ago. I'll find out.
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The first item didn't sound right. I'm referring to the blood of Gen. Custer, specifically.

Yes, it was my grandmother who grew her hair in the Cherokee fashion.

And it looks like I have just about invalidated the connection to that French General, Montcalm-Gozon because I got additional information from a distant relative who showed me the line all the way back to France, A man born in Caen, France in 1698 whose last name at that time was Paisant.

The question remains as to how the family got the item in question. I may or may not be able to reveal what it is, depending on the answer of the possession. This is interesting when you dig up skeletons. My aunt/uncle just found out last week from my research that I had thought that they were related to Ge. Custer all these years.

Come on, this can't be all the Indians and mixed bloods on Alldeaf... It doesn't matter how much or how little you have.
 
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1/3 lakota sioux. The rest is french and cherokee with just a dash of scottish and irish.
 
* More facts:
My vacations as a kid were spent visiting family friends on the navajo reservation.
My babysitters were all navajo.
We were friends with the medicine man.
My grandpa is full blood lakota sioux and goes to powows etc. every summer.
 
jameshofmann said:
Not any Indian that I know of. Friends who are Indian. They think "indigenous" is funny. Too close to indigent, indulgent, indignant. Always good for laughs. Seriously, the common term around here is "Indian". I'm in Montana. We have Salish, Kootenai, Pend d'oreille, Nez Perce, Blackfoot, Crow, Lakota, and those are just the names that pop into my generally empty head.
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Yeah, I had a Seminole friend who told me the online term of choice is NDN.
 
Grayma said:
Yeah, I had a Seminole friend who told me the online term of choice is NDN.
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It has become common now that NDN is online. I used it loosely on Native forums. We still don't like the term "Indian" because we are not from India. But Native is much better than Indian because we were here first before the white people came. How ironic that white people thought the land was empty. Ha! What a laugh. :roll:
 
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