"Importance of Morphemic Awareness to Reading Achievement..."

DeafCaroline said:
No, I'm asking a simple question to CSign which is why is she advocating a method that is seemingly opposed by the majority of the Deaf here on AD.
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I'm curious about this response. Shel90 has mentioned that she uses SEE for the purposes described in the study (to teach deaf children literacy), Jillio has referred to it as an effective tool for that purpose, as have others. Why is Csign's post bringing this recent study up for discussion considered flouting the "Deaf" view? From what I've seen and read, the majority of Deaf and deaf-respected educators feel that SEE IS an effective tool when used in this way. The opposition is to the use of SEE as a primary language.
 
SEE is easier for hearing people to communicate with deaf people. one hearing gal complained to me that why we had to use ASL, not SEE. whoaa.
 
GrendelQ said:
I'm curious about this response. Shel90 has mentioned that she uses SEE for the purposes described in the study (to teach deaf children literacy), Jillio has referred to it as an effective tool for that purpose, as have others. Why is Csign's post bringing this recent study up for discussion considered flouting the "Deaf" view? From what I've seen and read, the majority of Deaf and deaf-respected educators feel that SEE IS an effective tool when used in this way. The opposition is to the use of SEE as a primary language.
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This is what Shel90 had to say about SEE and she's a teacher for young deaf kids:
"Sometimes I use SEE if the child has a strong foundation in ASL, lots of printed words posted for the younger ones, and a lot of hands on activities with words instead of just direct teaching because most of the time that doesnt work."

http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-educati...reness-reading-achievement-3.html#post1931559

How would SEE be used as a sole language if its not a language? And how would deaf kids learn English with SEE without learning SEE first? Wouldn't that make SEE their first "language"?
 
Tell me how I'm supposed to teach English word order with ASL? How do I explain about adding ed, ing, or, and other endings to change verb tense? How about the difference between was and were? Is and are?
 
DeafCaroline said:
I searched for "signing exact english" on youtube. Found this one: SIGNED EXACT ENGLISH: Can You Decipher This Video? - YouTube
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That video wasn't a great example of SEE, but thanks for making the effort. You'll note that it says, "Signed Exact English" which is not "Signing Exact English." There was a whole lot of fingerspelling in there, so I don't think it gives an accurate representation of SEE at all. It seemed like a cross between Signed English and PSE. In my opinion.
 
SEE is ok as a tool as long as it is a supplemental tool with other tools involved. SEE as a modality for communication...I got a problem with it.
 
CSign said:
That video wasn't a great example of SEE, but thanks for making the effort. You'll note that it says, "Signed Exact English" which is not "Signing Exact English." There was a whole lot of fingerspelling in there, so I don't think it gives an accurate representation of SEE at all. It seemed like a cross between Signed English and PSE. In my opinion.
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Then provide a link of what you think SEE is.
 
Frisky Feline said:
SEE is easier for hearing people to communicate with deaf people. one hearing gal complained to me that why we had to use ASL, not SEE. whoaa.
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If we are going to bring up what's "easier for hearing people to communicate with deaf people" that would be just speaking, because that's what hearing people do. They speak.
 
GrendelQ said:
I'm curious about this response. Shel90 has mentioned that she uses SEE for the purposes described in the study (to teach deaf children literacy), Jillio has referred to it as an effective tool for that purpose, as have others. Why is Csign's post bringing this recent study up for discussion considered flouting the "Deaf" view? From what I've seen and read, the majority of Deaf and deaf-respected educators feel that SEE IS an effective tool when used in this way. The opposition is to the use of SEE as a primary language.
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I only use it to model English sentences but when discussing literacy or books, I use ASL. Just wanted to clear that up. I dont sign SEE allll the way in the two hours of my language arts class.
 
CSign said:
If we are going to bring up what's "easier for hearing people to communicate with deaf people" that would be just speaking, because that's what hearing people do. They speak.
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That makes no sense. My family and friends definitely don't find it "easier" to speak to a deaf person especially when I say "what?" and ask them to repeat themselves.
 
deafbajagal said:
Then provide a link of what you think SEE is.
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I've provided a link to this study, which I appreciate you trying to discuss.

I've tried to search on YouTube in the past for SEE videos, and I've never found any good ones. More of people signing in PSE, calling it SEE. If SEE is used as intended, the English language would be visible to those who cannot access it auditorily.
 
deafbajagal said:
Tell me how I'm supposed to teach English word order with ASL? How do I explain about adding ed, ing, or, and other endings to change verb tense? How about the difference between was and were? Is and are?
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How do you think deaf people learned to read and write English for over a hundred years?

Or me? My first language is English, I didn't need SEE to understand such concepts. I learned just like any other kid learning English grammar and I didn't even have ASL as my base.
 
CSign said:
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I've provided a link to this study, which I appreciate you trying to discuss.

I've tried to search on YouTube in the past for SEE videos, and I've never found any good ones. More of people signing in PSE, calling it SEE. If SEE is used as intended, the English language would be visible to those who cannot access it auditorily.
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You never found any good examples of SEE?

Hmm.
 
Thank goodness I do not have any deaf friends who use SEE. :lol:
 
CSign said:
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I've provided a link to this study, which I appreciate you trying to discuss.

I've tried to search on YouTube in the past for SEE videos, and I've never found any good ones. More of people signing in PSE, calling it SEE. If SEE is used as intended, the English language would be visible to those who cannot access it auditorily.
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I will have my hubby make a video of himself...he used to sign in SEE and it drove me crazy but he is starting to switch to PSE...whew!
 
shel90 said:
I only use it to model English sentences but when discussing literacy or books, I use ASL. Just wanted to clear that up. I dont sign SEE allll the way in the two hours of my language arts class.
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Same for me. I always read stories and excerpts in ASL. Occasionally I will do both in ASL and CASE because of IEP requirements. But always model in ASL.
 
DeafCaroline said:
How do you think deaf people learned to read and write English for over a hundred years?

Or me? My first language is English, I didn't need SEE to understand such concepts. I learned just like any other kid learning English grammar and I didn't even have ASL as my base.
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Again, what works for one does not work for all. I have to account for every child in my classroom. Different learning styles, different modalities, diverse cultural experiences...I got to use whatever it takes.
 
DeafCaroline said:
You never found any good examples of SEE?

Hmm.
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CSign said:
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I've provided a link to this study, which I appreciate you trying to discuss.

I've tried to search on YouTube in the past for SEE videos, and I've never found any good ones. More of people signing in PSE, calling it SEE. If SEE is used as intended, the English language would be visible to those who cannot access it auditorily.
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Then why not make a video of you presenting an example of SEE.

:) I have seen poster present videos before to show Different Sign Language and how they do it.
 
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