I am mad that I have CI *sigh*

No It is the doctor who gave her a lousy gift and opportunities. Parents are naive and didn't know what is the best for her. Of course they love her so much. I don't blame on her parents but it is so sad that they were "brainwashed" by the doctors. The doctors would have given them a plenty options like -- learning ASL, Deaf school, Hearing aid, CI etc etc .. allow her parents to decide to explore the many different options -- but blame on doctor to focus on one thing is CI. It is because of $$$$$$. CI is not an 100% miracle but it can benefit for some people. That kid was only 4 years old at the time. In my experience .. I was unable to voice for myself and didnt have any choice but was forced to be mainstreamed in the public hearing school with no support services etc ... bec of the doctors and the town due to $$ and I speak pretty well!

Uh, doctors don't make a lot of money from CIs. Research shows that many of them do CIs at a loss. Have a look at What Does Health Insurance Pay for Cochlear Implants? for reference to studies.

The reason why the medical profession pushes CIs so much is because on the whole, when you take into account everyone that is implanted even the "failures", it saves society money. Animal lover might have rejected the CI emotionally but he obviously learned to talk with it.
 
There was another user here that had the same situation and started a thread about it. His name was TrippLA but I think he changed it. I was looking through my posts but I couldnt find it. I will post it here when I do because there was also some good comments in there that may pertain to your situation.

His name is Pacman now. I think he has an identity crisis or something. :roll:
 
DevBaby,

Don't let KINGOFNOOBS' comments bother you. If he wants to call CIs a piece of sh*t, let him. You, LuciaDisturbed, R2D2, myself and other CI users on the board know differently. When your CI is activated, you're going to be amazed at everything you hear! Don't let the comments expressed in this thread discourage you!!
 
What she said!

I really wish the moderators would clean up after seagull poster poopers and do something about them.
 
What she said!

I really wish the moderators would clean up after seagull poster poopers and do something about them.

R2,

I do too! The anti-CI sentiments need to stop -- or at the very least -- they need to be posted in another section of AD.
 
Cloggy,

I understand your situation. You have to weigh two things: putting a machine in your child's head versus allowing your child to remain deaf.

From the perspective that the hearing world is more beneficial (in any way) than the deaf world, someone would choose the CI.

If not, then ask yourself, why even consider a CI in the first place?

However, go a step further and think about the pros and cons.

Consider your child in the future - perhaps fulfilling more potential in the hearing world, but potentially disturbed that he/she has a machine in his/her head.

What if your child wants to be a scuba diver (below 100 meters) or an astronaut? What about possibilities that cannot be fulfilled now because of the CI?

What if your child eventually feels like others modified his/her body in a way that is irreversible except through intensive surgery?

A greater love might be to consider the child's feelings rather than yours. Is it you, rather, that is afraid that the child won't be able to accomplish as much in the deaf world versus the hearing world?

Are you afraid that your child's intelligence will be lower as a consequence of being deaf? Look at me, I have been 100% deaf since 2 years old, but I score higher on standardized tests than 99.99% of the nation.

Intelligence can be relative to how the child is raised, methods of being taught, and the creativity and intelligence of the parents themselves.

I was given a CI on the left side when I was 3 years old, and a CI on the right side when I was 16 years old. Most of it was my parent's decision rather than mine, yet it was my own body.

I was never able to distinguish consonants and vowels apart from each other. Yet my parents did it "out of love" in their own best interests, thinking it would also be in my own best interest.

But I enjoy being deaf. There is nothing wrong with it. If my CI allowed me to distinguish between consonants and vowels, maybe I would've seen the benefits, and enjoyed life more, but in the end it would've limited me in other ways and still been an imposing of their will on my body that may as well be irreversible.

The benefits of hearing may be numerous, but is it worth a child being used in a way that is irreversible?

You'll hear many deaf children being very happy with their CI - but you also have to think about the child's feelings about having a CI in the body, whether it's had positive or negative results.

I can tell you that I wish my parents had never forced a CI into my body, and let me make the decision at a later age despite what the doctors say that putting in a CI is more likely to be successful at a young age.

Because then it would've been my own decision, not theirs. It would've been my own decision about my own body.

Listen to what a deaf child (your child) may have to say, more than what the parent (you) think. Respect how the child may feel and let the child find acceptance through being deaf; if the child wishes to have a CI later, let the child do it at an age when he/she is capable of making an educated decision.

This is my point of view, as well as that of many deaf children and adults out there. Which would be the greater love: to listen to them or to listen to yourself?


Wonderful post, I ever read ... :applause:

No you are not only one but I heard those stories often and also met CI users at 5 weeks spa, too last October. I posted those sad stories at other thread few days ago.
 
Originally Posted by Shel90
the parents should give up some of THEIR time to learn sign language and learn to put themselves in their child's shoes.


Yes I second that.


Animal_lover,
I'm very sorry that you are not happy with your CI... I would suggest you to check with Specialist about remove CI from your head case it could risk your life... ? Leave it inside rest of your life...?

I wish you best of good luck...

Don't forget to update after talk with your doctor about cons/pros for remove CI.

You are not only one who have feeling toward your parents... I have been heard like this often in the past... that's why I support child's choice/decision because it's their body, not mine.
 
TRUE!!!! But my parents made bad choice for me because I am kind of Person who dont want machine thing inside my body or outside of my body.. I am kind of person who into the nature thing..CI isnt nature thing..it is mankind thing..i dont want that

Unfortunlately yes, the parents often make wrong or right decision for their children.
 
No It is the doctor who gave her a lousy gift and opportunities. Parents are naive and didn't know what is the best for her. Of course they love her so much. I don't blame on her parents but it is so sad that they were "brainwashed" by the doctors. The doctors would have given them a plenty options like -- learning ASL, Deaf school, Hearing aid, CI etc etc .. allow her parents to decide to explore the many different options -- but blame on doctor to focus on one thing is CI. It is because of $$$$$$. CI is not an 100% miracle but it can benefit for some people. That kid was only 4 years old at the time. In my experience .. I was unable to voice for myself and didnt have any choice but was forced to be mainstreamed in the public hearing school with no support services etc ... bec of the doctors and the town due to $$ and I speak pretty well!

I'm afraid yes...

I wish the parents listen BOTH sides, not listen one side...
 
There was another user here that had the same situation and started a thread about it. His name was TrippLA but I think he changed it. I was looking through my posts but I couldnt find it. I will post it here when I do because there was also some good comments in there that may pertain to your situation.

Trippla was a member here that wanted his CI removed too. Maybe his current name is PACMAN. Maybe one of the mods knows. Anyway, you may want to talk with him.. I know that you two have a lot in common.

It is Pacman :)
 
R2,

I do too! The anti-CI sentiments need to stop -- or at the very least -- they need to be posted in another section of AD.

Please open your mind to accept BOTH SIDES, not just ONE SIDE... Please open your mind and see sense of Animal-lover's view and experiences.

For your information, we are not anti-CI... Please respect our opinion for support children's choice/decision on CI.

Thank you.
 
For your information, we are not anti-CI... Please respect our opinion for support children's choice/decision on CI.

Thank you.

I think it's equally important that you accept the choice of parents who choose to implant their children instead of regarding their decision as "sad" or "unfortunate" (descriptions I've seen expressed in another thread). There is no right or wrong when it comes to CIs and children. Each parent must decide for themselves what is best for *their* child.
 
I think it's equally important that you accept the choice of parents who choose to implant their children instead of regarding their decision as "sad" or "unfortunate" (descriptions I've seen expressed in another thread). There is no right or wrong when it comes to CIs and children. Each parent must decide for themselves what is best for *their* child.

Hold your horse!

You're got implanted CI when you're adult!!! Right?
You have not gone experience when you got implanted when you was young likely 3 or 4 yrs old whatever... until you grown up and complain about your CI impact emotions your feelings toward to your parent. You will speak straighten forward to your parent, "Why you putting me implanted the ci on my head" Have you not asked my permission before implanted the ci.. What your parent reacts feel? They are HOPED you could become "CURED BECOME INTO HEAR" instead "Deaf" reason why they are not accept you're "DEAF" parent's feelings about you.. What the interest best for you part of ci life and adapt the Hearing world instead Deaf World or wha..ever in your future. That what PARENT WANTED... not you... You have no power overcome prostant against your parent will because child have no speak it out themselves.. That what I'm bring point it out for you... as My strongly POV think about "Pro vs Con"

Just as long I did step back far away from CI section reason I did let them go Parent are "Happy and did implanted my child got CI" not even think twice when the child grown up and complaint about their emotions feeling toward "titititans" or Miragines or other kind health reasons. That major problem.. What parent will say .. nah, that normal for you have those.. NOT EVEN FEEL WHAT CI LOOK ALIKE INSIDE YOUR HEAD... that huge problem!

You have to respect the child feeling and emotions as complain about my head why kept bothering me.. unless you have to step back and respect your child and willing take the ci off.. you will upset w/your child's wish their own power will.

*Think about it*

Im not against CI peoples...or Parent's will... but My strongly POV... as my straighten forward speak it out!

Thank you for your time listening!

Likely AD'ers whoever are sharing their emotions expect feelings about ci and everything.. You have to accept their feelings btwn your own side..

because you're implanted ci by ADULT which you made your wish that ONE!

Please Please everyone Parent who have Deaf child... Don't determined that you think AD'ers are against CI.. Actually no...
They are accept your own wish and respect you... Fairly.. what make you determined they are ANTI-CI.. Wha... a joke?
 
GalaxyAngel, I am curious.. did your parents have you implanted with a CI when you were a child?
 
Please open your mind to accept BOTH SIDES, not just ONE SIDE... Please open your mind and see sense of Animal-lover's view and experiences.

For your information, we are not anti-CI... Please respect our opinion for support children's choice/decision on CI.

Thank you.

That's correct! ;)

Hear Again,

There's something I noticed about you those days, You intend to listen to one side, and even the side of those who have cochlear implants, or those who supports cochlear implants in children, while people like Liebling and I support cochlear implants on adults by their own decision, not cochlear implants on children because it's without their decision. Therefore we are not anti-CI. So knock it off. I'm tired of hearing, "well parents make those decisions because they want what's best for the child" We don't always make the best decisions when it comes in our children's lives, so we trust our parents making right choices for us at the right time? Not always. Cochlear implant is a huge decision, because they have to be the one wearing it permanent for life, so why should the parent make the choice, when they're not the ones wearing it? Doesn't make no sense to me if you ask me. The differences between hearing aids and cochlear implant is that hearing aids you can take if off anytime, You don't even have to wear them if you don't' want to, You can't do that with cochlear implant, sure you can turn it off, but you can't remove it out from inside your head unless there's another surgery, and you know how risky that can be?

That's why I'm all for cochlear implants for those who WANTS it, children cannot make that decision on their own. It's a pity that parents have to make that move, that choice and that decision without the child's permission. But, what can we really do? Nothing really. I just wish parents would discuss this important issue involves cochlear implant with their child, because it's not a life threatening condition, so what's the rush, what's the hurry?
 
So many points that I will address inside your quote....
Cloggy,

I understand your situation. You have to weigh two things: putting a machine in your child's head versus allowing your child to remain deaf.Or, giving a child sound vs letting the child be deaf.

From the perspective that the hearing world is more beneficial (in any way) than the deaf world, someone would choose the CI.
If not, then ask yourself, why even consider a CI in the first place?
because it would allow my child to hear.

However, go a step further and think about the pros and cons.
We did. Researched d/Deaf culture, researched CI. Tried to dee her deaf in the future, see her hearing...
Consider your child in the future - perhaps fulfilling more potential in the hearing world, but potentially disturbed that he/she has a machine in his/her head.The "machine" aspect is nonsense. You seem to be fixated on this, and it looks it comes from a very negative experience.
When I look at my daughter, I see a person. Not a machine. She has a CI that allows her to hear. She is defined by it.


What if your child wants to be a scuba diver (below 100 meters) or an astronaut? What about possibilities that cannot be fulfilled now because of the CI?Tell me. How many people are divers below 100m, how many are astronauts... Now add the two, divide it by 6 billion.... Nothing...
Divide by the number of deaf poeple... nothing...
CI prevents (hardly?) no possibilities, and gives many additional possibilities...


What if your child eventually feels like others modified his/her body in a way that is irreversible except through intensive surgery?Why would it feel like that.?? The object will not be foreign. She enjoys using it. Show me a child that did not go through puberty and suddenly hated everything, and thought her parents were as dumb as shit.......

A greater love might be to consider the child's feelings rather than yours. Is it you, rather, that is afraid that the child won't be able to accomplish as much in the deaf world versus the hearing world?I can honestly say NO.
This argument is really boring, since it accuses the parent of NOT loving the child. The insinuation will allways be there, ad especially with parents that just had a deaf child, it HURTS.
I have been through that, I know that it's just a shittyy argument. An argument based on nothing, layed out there to function as a loose argument.


Are you afraid that your child's intelligence will be lower as a consequence of being deaf? Look at me, I have been 100% deaf since 2 years old, but I score higher on standardized tests than 99.99% of the nation.Deafness has nothing to do with IQ.
I wanted my child to be able to speak dutch with her grandparents, norwegian with her friends at school, english with other friends, signlanguage with deaf people... She's well on her way, speaking dutch, norwegian and sign... At age 4-1/2, with 2 years of CI... I would think that had she not liked it... it would have shown..


Intelligence can be relative to how the child is raised, methods of being taught, and the creativity and intelligence of the parents themselves.One's limitations are defined by one's communications....

I was given a CI on the left side when I was 3 years old, and a CI on the right side when I was 16 years old. Most of it was my parent's decision rather than mine, yet it was my own body.Meaning.... 3 years is an age where the parents decide. 16 is questionable... Still, I am sure that your parents did it for you. You might feel different.....

I was never able to distinguish consonants and vowels apart from each other. Yet my parents did it "out of love" in their own best interests, thinking it would also be in my own best interest.So, the outcome was not what you wanted it to be. Who's fault was that?.... At least you got a good oppportunity. Be grateful, accept that it didn't work, thanks your parents and move on...

But I enjoy being deaf. There is nothing wrong with it. If my CI allowed me to distinguish between consonants and vowels, maybe I would've seen the benefits, and enjoyed life more, but in the end it would've limited me in other ways and still been an imposing of their will on my body that may as well be irreversible.Again, you are disappointed... that is what motivates you. Try to change that into something positive..

The benefits of hearing may be numerous, but is it worth a child being used in a way that is irreversible?Ireversable... From deaf going to hearing.... or deaf... thats not irreversable. And the electrode can be removed.... if really wanted...

You'll hear many deaf children being very happy with their CI - but you also have to think about the child's feelings about having a CI in the body, whether it's had positive or negative results.Yep... why do you think it's a hard decision. Your remark comes from the assumption that it is "just done"... it is not. It's a proces. The argument is so lame.... Parents LOVE their children... unconditionally.

I can tell you that I wish my parents had never forced a CI into my body, and let me make the decision at a later age despite what the doctors say that putting in a CI is more likely to be successful at a young age.You should accept the decision they made at age 3. The decision at 16 is different. Were you so pissed at them that you decided that you were going to MAKE it FAIL??

Because then it would've been my own decision, not theirs. It would've been my own decision about my own body.At age 16 - I agree.

Listen to what a deaf child (your child) may have to say, more than what the parent (you) think. Respect how the child may feel and let the child find acceptance through being deaf; if the child wishes to have a CI later, let the child do it at an age when he/she is capable of making an educated decision.And there you go with another argument that is rediculous... Waiting is limiting the potential outcome. My daughter is doing so well BECAUSE we decided early. When she wants to go through life deaf, she can still do that. The revers is not true.
NOT choosing for CI, leting the child choose, is giving the child less possibilities...


This is my point of view, as well as that of many deaf children and adults out there. Which would be the greater love: to listen to them or to listen to yourself?
The people you talk about are almost ALL people that have never had a deaf child.!!! That changes the perspective. We listened, and we decided to go for CI.
You should listen to my daughter singing sons at the breakfast table.!!
 
I noticed that although some hearing parents mentioned that they don't need to teach their children sign language anymore, because the child now can hear with the use of their implants...It makes me sad to see this happening and what if the child doesn't wear their implant how is the parents going to communicate with the deaf child? and not learning how to sign in order to communicate with their deaf child..Perhaps they think a deaf child no longer needed the use of sign language,.but I was impressed to know that there are other hearing parents that still do communicate in sign language with their deaf child..Just because a child have implants it doesn't mean they should stop signing but rather to only have them speak and listen...I thought this goes both ways, you want a child that can hear, but what about the child needs too?....
 
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