Husband of pregnant woman wants her off life support

deafdyke said:
Well the reason that happens is b/c a prolifer sees the term "severe" and they automaticly think that means "still has a quality of life"...That's why docs should use the term extreme profound....
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im not to sure about that. i think pro lifers regardless of how severe a baby is, wish for it to be given the chance to life. due to their religious convictions.
its not os much about the brain then the soul for them
 
It's incredibly inhumane that anyone would try and force that fetus to be born. Glad this has been resolved and healing can begin.
 
Foxrac said:
Be careful with some articles because some of them can be make-up, misled or lies.

You can make compare with ABC News.
Texas Husband Named Brain-Dead Wife's Fetus - ABC News

It is very slim chance that baby will born alive from patients with brain dead, especially in early term, also her body will decompose and her organ eventually stop work, so effectively kill the baby.

Let not worry about Mrs. Smiley aka Ambrosia.
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Foxrac said:
After read various articles, I'm annoyed by anti-abortion group played game with poor woman with brain dead and want to her to be on life support, even if fetus isn't viable. She will be decomposed and her organs will stop working if she is on life support for long period. It is sad to see that some people disputed the medical terms and they think that fetus can be perfectly, magically retrieve, and doesn't believe in doctor's claim.

Hospital: We think about pull the life support from woman.

Anti-abortion: No!

Hospital: The doctor declared that her fetus is not viable, or died. (23 weeks out of 40 weeks)

Anti-abortion: I don't believe you.

Hospital: That's fine and she will stay on life support until you make final judgment.

Anti-abortion: Great!!!

17 weeks later... (40 weeks out of 40 weeks)

Hospital: The fetus is not viable and not grown. (or baby came as died at birth)

Anti-abortion: No, that's not true and we believe that fetus (or baby) is alive.

Hospital: Woman's organs stopped work and her body is decomposed.

Anti-abortion: but her baby is alive.

Hospital: Fine, let show you a baby or fetus. *point at room*

Anti-abortion: What??? Baby already died, so tried to wake the baby up but no wake up and heart didn't work. *stunned*

Hospital: We told you so but you chose to play game with woman.

Anti-abortion: Sad, depressed and left hospital.

:roll:
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Same with your pro-choice articles have their own bias, too. You can't say pro-choice is 100% truth and pro-life is 100% lie. Also, I just shared for some story, EDIT: but it seems the story bothered a few AD'ers so much...

Check it out: Secular Pro-Life Perspectives: A plea for mutual understanding in the Munoz case

The author explained the why... I get that you guys think pro-life people are so "horrible monsters" simply because they don't agree with it. EDIT: Oh, and if you are attention enough, that article is actually being civil.

So, it's not matter, anymore. It's time to let the family pass on and we should move on.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Same with your pro-choice articles have their own bias, too. You can't say pro-choice is 100% truth and pro-life is 100% lie. Also, I just shared for some story, EDIT: but it seems the story bothered a few AD'ers so much...

Check it out: Secular Pro-Life Perspectives: A plea for mutual understanding in the Munoz case

The author explained the why... I get that you guys think pro-life people are so "horrible monsters" simply because they don't agree with it. EDIT: Oh, and if you are attention enough, that article is actually being civil.

So, it's not matter, anymore. It's time to let the family pass on and we should move on.
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ABC News is neutral, so no side with pro-choice or pro-life.

It is not pro-life issue: I'm seriously question about truthiness of article and some articles are dishonest or misled.

Where I painted pro-life as monster? I'm not concern about pro-life's opposition to abortion from women who is alive and capable to make decision, not women with brain dead. I just want them to stay away from women with brain dead and let her families make best decision.

Also, your article is pretty truth.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
Same with your pro-choice articles have their own bias, too. You can't say pro-choice is 100% truth and pro-life is 100% lie. Also, I just shared for some story, EDIT: but it seems the story bothered a few AD'ers so much...

Check it out: Secular Pro-Life Perspectives: A plea for mutual understanding in the Munoz case

The author explained the why... I get that you guys think pro-life people are so "horrible monsters" simply because they don't agree with it. EDIT: Oh, and if you are attention enough, that article is actually being civil.

So, it's not matter, anymore. It's time to let the family pass on and we should move on.
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It looks like I misunderstood your original article so my apology. I thought it was same woman, but it was different women so I got it now.
 
It didn't bother me you goose. I pointed out it was slanted, and you were bothered by that. You over reacted. I didn't say you shouldn't have posted it, or asked you to take it down. Good grief woman.

Btw the article she posted can still be found in my post #84 where I quoted her.
 
hoichi said:
im not to sure about that. i think pro lifers regardless of how severe a baby is, wish for it to be given the chance to life. due to their religious convictions.
its not os much about the brain then the soul for them
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No, it's nothing to do with religions or Christianity...
 
ambrosia said:
It didn't bother me you goose. I pointed out it was slanted, and you were bothered by that. You over reacted. I didn't say you shouldn't have posted it, or asked you to take it down. Good grief woman.

Btw the article she posted can still be found in my post #84 where I quoted her.
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Just take easy with her, please.

No need to argue.
 
KarissaMann05 said:
No, it's nothing to do with religions or Christianity...
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WHY then? Theraputic abortion with extreme profound or profound (10% or less of a chance for survival) birth defects is equalivavent to turning off life support on a terminally ill person!!!!! I remember reading a post somewhere from the mom of a Tay-Sachs kid.....She CELEBRATED when her kid died....NO MORE PAIN and suffering.....the kid was FREE!!!!!!!!
There are some pretty damn serious conditions and diseases.......
 
sure. but int he end it still rests on an assumption or religious belief.
we assume the kid is FREE, after death, we assume and hope the kid has NO MORE PAIN. but thats all it is. we don't know one way or another. what grounds do we have to support that idea? we can use logic and work out why we believe no pain exists after death but ti still is an assumption. we assume the kid will be free, certainly those here in this world are free from the burden, and the pain. but thats different then the actually kid being free from it
its very nearly impossible to have an in depth and adult conversation about abortion when religious thoughts and discussion are prohibited. it is possible sure. but almost everyone who has an opinion on this this topic has one either due to religious conviction or faith or the lack of it.
 
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This reminds me of the Terry Schavio case..
 
hoichi said:
sure. but int he end it still rests on an assumption or religious belief.
we assume the kid is FREE, after death, we assume and hope the kid has NO MORE PAIN. but thats all it is. we don't know one way or another. what grounds do we have to support that idea? we can use logic and work out why we believe no pain exists after death but ti still is an assumption. we assume the kid will be free, certainly those here in this world are free from the burden, and the pain. but thats different then the actually kid being free from it
its very nearly impossible to have an in depth and adult conversation about abortion when religious thoughts and discussion are prohibited. it is possible sure. but almost everyone who has an opinion on this this topic has one either due to religious conviction or faith or the lack of it.
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Well let's see......free from painful seizures and a persistant vegatative state.....Not all disabilties are benign........
 
hoichi said:
sure. but int he end it still rests on an assumption or religious belief.
we assume the kid is FREE, after death, we assume and hope the kid has NO MORE PAIN. but thats all it is. we don't know one way or another. what grounds do we have to support that idea? we can use logic and work out why we believe no pain exists after death but ti still is an assumption. we assume the kid will be free, certainly those here in this world are free from the burden, and the pain. but thats different then the actually kid being free from it
its very nearly impossible to have an in depth and adult conversation about abortion when religious thoughts and discussion are prohibited. it is possible sure. but almost everyone who has an opinion on this this topic has one either due to religious conviction or faith or the lack of it.
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Hmm... I had looked up in Texas Laws/Bills, and what I found is there is a law there that prevents the refusal of care to pregnant women, but I don't see anything that mentions Christianity or God. I can't see how anyone can say there was any kind of religious law that was making them keep the child alive. Can you show me, please? I might overlook something else.

However, please forgive me for my skepticism. For some reasons, I have read stories of ultrasound diagnoses that ended up being wrong at birth. I always doubt the diagnosis until birth. Offsprings are born with hydrocaphalus (sp); and they are also diagnosed with it and born without it, so again, pardon my skpeticism.

I don't know if I just could walk up to my future kids and look them in the eye and to think they should not be alive if they are not 'prefect and healthy' ones...

I can understand why disabilities and deformities should be prevented from bringing "imperfect" offsprings in this world... However, I don't think he's a "horrible monster" or "murder" for trying to do right thing. I just can't see why the hospital should lost two lives instead of saving one and honoring the other one. Again, it's irrelevant because it's what done is done, tho.

Here's great article who wrote by the pro-life mother actually agreed with Mr. Munzo's decision.

How Am I Different From Erick Muñoz? : Stacy Trasancos

I thought you might appreciate this article. :)
 
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