So...the fact that dorms have been good for many kids doesn't matter?
You keep asking and more people keep giving you the answer you don't want to hear.
Iam on my pager so I probably missed some posts.
I didn't see anything in response to about the dorms being good for many kids just how it was a bad place for some of you and I have said that I was sorry to hear that.
Can u show me where someone responded to my question about it being good for some kids? I know Oceanbreeze has responded but I don't see any responds to that question from those who are against them. Just that they are awful...ok, fine and I am sorry for it but to some kids, it was a good experience for them. It is hard to scroll thru the posts on this ancient pager.
Thank you
People are afraid of you. Read the thread and you will see most responses say we had bad experiences and would never put our kids in these living situations.
You have never lived in one.
They just don't say it right to you.
You are right..I have never lived in one.
I have stated that I wouldn't put my child in one either.
I have already said that I don't propose for every child to be put in one.
Now, what about those kids or my friends who liked living there and were happier there than at their homes? Unless they are lying about it. Dunno. Maybe they are lying about it and if they are, then that's sad.
I don't run the dorms but I have visited them and I think it would be better for older kids, not very young kids but sometimes kids are in situations where their families couldn't take care of them, don't want to deal with them, or live far away from the school. Where should they go instead?
Someone brought up foster care but how many are there out there that can meet deaf children's communication needs? I think it would be great if there was several people who are fluent in ASL and understanding of deaf needs be willing to provide foster care but unfortunately, reality is that it doesn't happen everywhere.
Hope the dorms and group homes get shut down so people won't longer be miserable if that's the best solution.
I brought up foster homes. And I said qualified. That means deaf parents or parents fluent in ASL. And stringent inspections.
Oh, kind of like in the Sound and the Fury. I can see both sides in cases like this. On one hand, there is the risk for abuse and the slippery slope (remember the debate on the Ashley Treatment from a few years ago) On the other hand, there are some cases where something like this could be appropreate. Like say for example, if a kid was a FAS kid or if an intellectucally disabled girl did not understand about relationships (I know a case where an intellectucally disabled girl was raped and she thought that the rapist was her boyfriend)My late uncle with a mind of 2 or 3 years old was sterilized after a woman complained that he bothered her. I never could see him bothering anyone as he usually just sit there. I never heard him speak. I had a feeling that the woman was just making trouble. I guess my grandparents had him sterilized just to avoid trouble.
Exactly!!!!! Or the kids might be from situtions where they're from the middle of no where or from really bad living situtions or whatever. Not every kid has the advantage of living near good schools or whatever. I do agree most of the time, parents should wait until middle school or fourth grade-ish to send them off to live in a dorm. I'm ALL for contimum of placement, and I am familair with child development. If someone asked me I would reccomend either placement in a formal established dhh day program or day Deaf school for early on, and then MAYBE placement in a residental setting. Many kids can be served that way.....which is awesome. But even with that, there are still some outliers who for whatever reason can't be served at a day program or who are from really bad or unusual situtions. I am NOT arguing for ALL kids to attend residental schools. Just hypothesizing that maybe some outliar/underserved in the mainstream/ kids from kind of unusual situtions might actually thrive there. Heck, the DODAs who attend residental schools from an early age seem to have done well emotionally.nd I think it would be better for older kids, not very young kids but sometimes kids are in situations where their families couldn't take care of them, don't want to deal with them, or live far away from the school.
Oh, kind of like in the Sound and the Fury. I can see both sides in cases like this. On one hand, there is the risk for abuse and the slippery slope (remember the debate on the Ashley Treatment from a few years ago) On the other hand, there are some cases where something like this could be appropreate. Like say for example, if a kid was a FAS kid or if an intellectucally disabled girl did not understand about relationships (I know a case where an intellectucally disabled girl was raped and she thought that the rapist was her boyfriend)
Now back on topic.
Exactly!!!!! Or the kids might be from situtions where they're from the middle of no where or from really bad living situtions or whatever. Not every kid has the advantage of living near good schools or whatever. I do agree most of the time, parents should wait until middle school or fourth grade-ish to send them off to live in a dorm. I'm ALL for contimum of placement, and I am familair with child development. If someone asked me I would reccomend either placement in a formal established dhh day program or day Deaf school for early on, and then MAYBE placement in a residental setting. Many kids can be served that way.....which is awesome. But even with that, there are still some outliers who for whatever reason can't be served at a day program or who are from really bad or unusual situtions. I am NOT arguing for ALL kids to attend residental schools. Just hypothesizing that maybe some outliar/underserved in the mainstream/ kids from kind of unusual situtions might actually thrive there. Heck, the DODAs who attend residental schools from an early age seem to have done well emotionally.
Botte, and all, I understand 100% that in the past group homes and residental programs weren't that great. But has it occurred to you that many of them may have IMPROVED?!?!?! Yes, set ups like that used to be horrible, and very underfunded and all......Like they used to be basicly a step above Willowbrook or whatever. But they have improved a hell of a lot. They're not Club Med or whatever no......but they have improved from the "reform school style dorms.
DD, they don't care...they want to see these programs shut down for good.
Fine, shut them down. Most people hate Deaf programs anyway.
With all the stupid arguments that went on about the costs of sending deaf kids to Deaf schools, about spoken language being superior and how awful it is to have voice off in the classrooms, how abusive dorms are, the low standards we teachers at deaf schools have set for our studnets, I say that more people hate Deaf programs than those who belive in them
Whatever these people want...go for it.
I try to bring the positive light on Deaf programs only to get blasted. Oh well
Residential schools are not always the paradise you paint them to be, and furthermore it is not necessarily true that just by being there your will make friends. There are rejects in every crowd who suffer torment.
It's either Foster Care or Deaf school (and who knows what Foster care do with deaf children??)
Get them into a qualified foster home, where they can experience family life, and not develop institutionalized behaviors.
And I really should not say more.
you should be glad that orphanage don't really exist anymore. My MIL, and several friends were orphanages. I think these days they call it group home.
of course, Foster kids do move one place to another.
Actually, orphanages do still exist. I was in one for three years, from age 13 til 16. It was NO fun. Trust me. It was a living hell. They still exist. They just call them "children's home" now.
Group homes are different - they are for foster children with behavioral problems.
Yes they do - a lot. I've been in seven foster homes/placements/children's homes over a period of 5 years.