How many gym rats do we have here?

Ah, I've seen those videos before. Thank you, TXgolfer. Two of those were the early days of UFC. Anything to do generate a buzz and interest in UFC.

There are few things not quite right there.

In two of those videos you had Yarborough constantly go after the guys and he was always retreating knowing that all it took was for Yarborough to simply lay down and use his 600 lbs worth of bodyweight completely on top of a contender. Try and get out from under that sack of potatos. Kicking Yarborough in the stomach, legs, arms didn't do anything. The only vulnerable spots were his head and arms if you'd ever get an opportunity for an arm bar position. Yarborough was certainly not nimble, he was like a tank that kept coming forward. The guy was running around avoiding him like the plague. The other guy tried kicking him. Might as well kick an elephant because those strikes weren't doing anything. It was a bunch of head strikes while Yarborough was on the ground. That's what made the difference. That's when you have that opportunity....not while standing up.

For the Fedor and Choi fight, Fedor was at 225lbs at 6ft vs Choi at 355lbs at 7'2" the obvious advantage is to Choi. Fedor was foolish enough to try and wrestle him standing up when all Choi had to do was use his weight and lean on him onto the mat. The difference here is that Fedor was a skilled grappler was able to twice put him into an arm bar position with the 2nd try a success. Chalk that up to skill and and eventual opportunity or luck to have that long arm available for an arm bar submission.

Yes, you can fight these guys and everybody has their weaknesses. If there are of the caliber type and of an UFC professional and know their stuff, then watch out. Having two more nimbler guys with one at 180lbs against a 240lb contender would certainly put the odds in favor of the slightly taller and heavier guy, if they are both of UFC caliber type of today.

Let me know when you have a 180 lb guy of an UFC caliber who will challenge Brock Lesnar at nearly 300lbs at 6'4" tall (with only 4 wins and 1 loss).

Even Randy Couture (205lb at 6'1") couldn't defeat Lesnar. Challenger Shawn Corwin (265lb at 6'2" and 12 straight wins) would be the competitor closest to size and weight of an UFC caliber to that of Lesnar's. They are set to fight each other on July 3, 2010 in Las Vegas.

Today's UFC fighter are quite different than the early days of UFC.
 
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hmm.... armchair UFC expert :hmm:
 
Well, Gracie did beat Dan Severn by submission. Their weights were far out, Severn being like ~+100lbs from Gracie's 170?

Severn seemed like a Brock Lesnar for his own time.
 
naisho said:
Well, Gracie did beat Dan Severn by submission. Their weights were far out, Severn being like ~+100lbs from Gracie's 170?

Severn seemed like a Brock Lesnar for his own time.
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I believe that was one of Severn's first bouts too.....

But anyway.....getting way off topic.
 
naisho said:
Well, Gracie did beat Dan Severn by submission. Their weights were far out, Severn being like ~+100lbs from Gracie's 170?

Severn seemed like a Brock Lesnar for his own time.
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Problem with that is that Gracie's submission style was barely known in wider circles back then. Today, any reputable MMA fighter gunning for the UFC top spot would be wise to practice that type of submission and grappling techniques (including among others). Severn vs Gracie fight took place in 1994, and it was Severn's 3rd fight. Gracie's forte was the BJJ style of grappling and submission work and gave Severn's first ever rear naked chokehold. Severn was at 6'2" and 250lbs (vs Gracie at 6'1" and 176lbs) who was already fresh early on in the MMA business against Gracie's BJJ style. Which is why I said that today's UFC fighters are much more rounded in their MMA skills than those 15 to 20 years ago. Why do you think so many MMA fighters nowadays emulate and study Gracie's BJJ MA style?

Again, let me know when the next 180lb fighter of a UFC caliber to fight Lesnar's near 300lb frame who is also a UFC fighter. I'm rootin for Shawn Corwin (265lb) anyway. He's more rounded than Lesnar's in this upcoming July 3 fight.
 
I watched those clips and yeah you just can't really compare them. like all all sumo background vs any other style with striking and submissions isn't really going to workout.

The Choi fight is the same. He has no groundwork skills. His takedown was no skill and when they landed into half guard he gets passed into guard pretty easily. I assumed he would have used his size to easily get into a mount.

I agree with kokonut. the earlier years of ufc was a bunch of different styles fighting against eachother. but now it's kind of evolved into it's own style taking from all sorts of martial arts. if you wanna do well in mma you need to be well rounded.

severn is a beast, he's huge. i met him and did his seminar at the toronto MMA expo a few years ago. i got to do a fun seminar with carlos newton and roll around on the mat with him. quite the honour.

weight and ranking catagories in tournaments exist for a reason.
 
DJGrace,

Glad to see you agree with my analysis. Yes, UFC fighters today are different back then. That's already obvious if you're familiar with MMA fights and its history.
 
DJGrace said:
I watched those clips and yeah you just can't really compare them. like all all sumo background vs any other style with striking and submissions isn't really going to workout.

The Choi fight is the same. He has no groundwork skills. His takedown was no skill and when they landed into half guard he gets passed into guard pretty easily. I assumed he would have used his size to easily get into a mount.

I agree with kokonut. the earlier years of ufc was a bunch of different styles fighting against eachother. but now it's kind of evolved into it's own style taking from all sorts of martial arts. if you wanna do well in mma you need to be well rounded.

severn is a beast, he's huge. i met him and did his seminar at the toronto MMA expo a few years ago. i got to do a fun seminar with carlos newton and roll around on the mat with him. quite the honour.

weight and ranking catagories in tournaments exist for a reason.
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Hong Man Choi is kickboxer, mixed martial artist, and wrestler.

His kickboxing record: 12 wins (7 Knockouts) and 6 losses (2 knockouts)
His MMA record: 2 wins (1 knockout) and 3 losses (1 knockout, 2 submission)

I agree that in order to survive MMA (UFC), you need to know more than 1 form of martial art. Sad that sports like MMA are full of roid cheaters.
 
That finishing armbar, i think he should have just stood up and lifted the guy. he's so much bigger than him, i've done it to smaller opponents who've tried to armbar me. just postured, stood up with them still suck to my arm and slam them off.

that fight went nowhere where i expected it to. i just had certain expectations for the scenarios he was presented. it's pretty easy to tell that he's not very experienced in groundwork. it's like i saw a cheick kongo fight and i'm pretty sure he lost on the ground, he needed more groundwork training. he was just lying there flat on his back with his legs flat, that's like the first thing you are taught not to do in grappling.

honestly, i don' t really follow ufc because i'm just not interested. i'm more interested in actually training.

i don't see how if you were a roidcase in mma, how you would benefit. if you don't have the skillset, your strength can only do so much. esp since you are in weightclasses.

anyways back to the original topic about weight etc, if two fighters are the same ranking and skillset, the bigger one has a bit of an advantage. i've used my weight difference over others who were either same ranking or out ranking me to my success. and vice versa for me fighting people who are heavier than i am.
 
DJGrace said:
That finishing armbar, i think he should have just stood up and lifted the guy. he's so much bigger than him, i've done it to smaller opponents who've tried to armbar me. just postured, stood up with them still suck to my arm and slam them off.

that fight went nowhere where i expected it to. i just had certain expectations for the scenarios he was presented. it's pretty easy to tell that he's not very experienced in groundwork. it's like i saw a cheick kongo fight and i'm pretty sure he lost on the ground, he needed more groundwork training. he was just lying there flat on his back with his legs flat, that's like the first thing you are taught not to do in grappling.

honestly, i don' t really follow ufc because i'm just not interested. i'm more interested in actually training.

i don't see how if you were a roidcase in mma, how you would benefit. if you don't have the skillset, your strength can only do so much. esp since you are in weightclasses.

anyways back to the original topic about weight etc, if two fighters are the same ranking and skillset, the bigger one has a bit of an advantage. i've used my weight difference over others who were either same ranking or out ranking me to my success. and vice versa for me fighting people who are heavier than i am.
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Yep. He was foolish to try and wrestle Choi down a few times. Anybody who does that is an idiot to begin with against a much heavier opponent. Key is to go for the submission. Or if you're lucky a nicely time strike to the head hoping to hit that glass jaw somewhere. Oh, arm bars? Key is to keep your arm totally relaxed like a wet noodle. Don't give your opponent any sense of muscular feedback and use your should and back to withdraw your arm. Even standing up if you can.

As for Yarborough. He liteally had a "glass head" if there is such a thing. I've seen guys take a pounding the head. For Yarborough, he tapped out pretty quickly and the blows didn't even look that bad to begin with.
 
quirkylibra said:
I really hope it's nothing major! I work in a hospital geared towards heart stuff and I see all kinds of things. Take care of yourself. Exercise, but not too hard! :)
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That's gotta be hard because I grew up as a hard-core athlete so old habits die hard. :)

Thanks!
 
Frisky Feline said:
Oh, you just found out that you had a minor heart condition at your current age?

So, I know few people who have a minor heart condition, of course everyone have many different kind of conditions they are in. all i know they can work out in a moderate time.

glad you are doing alright at least.
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Thanks! :hug:
 
Yep, shel. Gotta take of your heart first and get well, too! One person I gotten to know died recently from an aorta tear. He was only 53 years old. No warning signs. Just like John Ritter's case.
 
kokonut said:
Yep, shel. Gotta take of your heart first and get well, too! One person I gotten to know died recently from an aorta tear. He was only 53 years old. No warning signs. Just like John Ritter's case.
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Thanks, I appreciate it.

going to the dr again in 2 weeks. I just love to be active. *sighs*
 
the key to arm bars is not to give them the chance to get it. lol don't give them straight arms or anything
 
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