Hillary for President! Vote?

[Liebling:-)))]

Leibling, now I am very curious. What are the attitudes in general, of doctors towards patients over where you are?
Here in the US doctors often treat patients, (no matter what
their economic status) like this, "I am the doctor, I have all
authority and nothing you say is important or relavant" My
natriopathic doctor is not like this. But many regular doctors
are. It has been one of the frustrating things with our system.
Here is an example.

No, the doctors would not say like that. They only do is recommend us to do... It's up to us as patient either we want to hear their advise or ask other doctor for second opinion. It's our responsible if we don't want to listen our doctor's advise/recommendation.

I take care of my elderly mom. Since I have been doing this
she has had 4 surgeries. Because she has a mechanical heart
valve she is on a blood thinner called coumadin. When she has
had surgeries in the past they gave her another short term
blood thinner after the surgery at the same time as restarting
her coumadin. This was supposed to be a saftey prevention
because coumadin takes a long time to build up in the body.
I told them she was reacting differently, (she was bleeding
through early and hemmoraging before her blood levels of
coumadin reached safe levels) I showed them research but
no one would listen. (a common problem here) She almost
died after each surgery. On the fourth surgery, (she got knocked
down by our goat and broke her arm) they had finally decided
that I was correct. She sailed through the surgery no problems.

I am very sorry to hear about your mother. I am glad that you searched positive how to help your mother. Why can't you check with other doctor for second opinion? We often do that... if we feel unsure either our doctor are right or not... We searched and visit other doctor for second opinion. If their opinion are equal then I accept...

Also with all the tax and fees and private ins taken out of your
check do you actually get to take any money home? Can your
two parent families afford to have one parent be a stay at home
with the children? Technically we shouldn't be able to afford
for me to stay home with a family of eight and less than $35,000
per year. (I do a lot of creative financing and bartering) But
is important to both my husband and I that one of us be home
to homeschool our brood. One thing I have noticed is that
it is difficult to get info about what really goes on in other
countries. Thanks

I work full time and my hubby work part time (I work from 7.30 am to 4.00 pm and my hubby work from 4.30 pm to 10.00 pm) The reason we use different time because of be there for our boys.

Yes, obligation taxes and social insurances are being removed from our monthly wage automatic.

We receive EUR 154 per child a month from Government, no matter either I have a job or not. I have 2 boys which mean is I receive total 308 EUR per month until my boys get job with their income limited (their monthly income should be under 800 EUR per month... I will lost child allowance if my boys's month earn over 800 EUR... Child allowance remains until my boys finish with their univerisity or to age 25.

You have 8 person in household? How many children do you have? Do you have child allowance in America?

We need to go work to keep our house survive and support our family life. It's impossible to keep our house survive if one of us are out of work.

I thought Americans work to pay taxes to federal government, don't they?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I just read the above article which from the link you provide and there
is conflicting info. If you read the article I posted, It says that Brittan
ranks LAST in providing health care and that the waiting lines are
horrible. Yet the article you posted (and they were both current)
says Brittan ranks first. Both can not be true. In reading your
artical more carfully it appears that the info they got was not
from statistics but from interviews of doctors in the various
countries. I would doubt the accuracy of such a method of
determining health care quality.

You can ask Dreama... She is British and still live in England.

I born and raise in England and live in Germany at over 22 years ago. I know British health system... It's definitely sucker but I heard that UK health system goes improve time to time than before. I don't know either it's true or not. Some friends who live in England said positive things and some not.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So it's not free.

Exactly

We work to pay social insurances (healthcare, nursing care, pension and unemployment) and taxes every month under my hubby's health insurance at Bosch company as "family insurance".

All what my family & I do is carry our health insurance card to show doctors and hospital etc then the treatment, therapies, surgery etc for goes direct to our health insurance automatic. I will get free medical care if I am out of work.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's why the plan Hillary supports is not good. It takes my tax dollars to support insurance for people who can afford to get it for themselves and their own families. Bush's plan supports all the poor children who need medical insurance.

Why should my tax dollars pay for medical insurance for people who can afford their own? Then I won't have enough money for my own medical needs.

how could the people can afford to get themselves when they are out of work? how could the people can afford to get expensive insurance themselves when they get low wage?

That's why I am for Hillary's support plan because everyone (yes, I mean everyone) should pay health insurance if they are work and support the others who are out of work or living on pension money. Its about support each other.

I do not support to help just children but everyone because they need our medical help badly to survive.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No medical care is "free"; someone is paying the bill.

I would like to correct you about this.

We work to pay health insurance. The bill goes to health insurance directly, not us, no matter either I am work or out of work.

 

[Reba]

...I will get free medical care if I am out of work.

Even that is not really "free"; someone still pays for it.

 

[Reba]

I would like to correct you about this.

We work to pay health insurance. The bill goes to health insurance directly, not us, no matter either I am work or out of work.

You and other members pay into the health insurance. Therefor, your medical care is not "free".

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You said it's not free, there's other system for universal health center is use funds that's under government like in Canada, UK and other countries that which is offers free health center, that means government are paid for that since patients are nothing to pay bills (exception of some portion), it's not private health center then if it's so then would be difference.

I used to work in England before married and live in Germany.

Yes I work to pay insurance when I was in England.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You and other members pay into the health insurance. Therefor, your medical care is not "free".

I already explained in my previous posts... So? I really have no problem with that because I prefer to have health insurance to pay everything than without insurance then I have to pay $300 per emergency... :Ohno:

Did you know how much head surgery cost, my son had at 2 years ago? I am realllllyyyyyy gllllaaaaddddd that I have health insurance for our family safety....

 

[Reba]

how could the people can afford to get themselves when they are out of work? how could the people can afford to get expensive insurance themselves when they get low wage?

The really poor people can get Medicaid.

That's why I am for Hillary's support plan because everyone (yes, I mean everyone) should pay health insurance if they are work and support the others who are out of work or living on pension money. Its about support each other.

We already do that. My taxes pay for Medicaid and Medicare for other people.

Who will pay for the additional medical services that Hillary proposes? If my taxes increase to pay for her programs, then I will have less money to pay for my own medical needs.

 

[Reba]

I already explained in my previous posts... So? I really have no problem with that because I prefer to have health insurance to pay everything than without insurance then I have to pay $300 per emergency...

Health insurance pays for everything with your money. You (or other people) actually pay for it without realizing it. Nothing is free (except maybe for thieves, heh, heh).

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Even that is not really "free"; someone still pays for it.

So? Again, I am reallllyyyyyy gllllaaaadddddddd.... without hassle and stress

Did you heard the movie "John Q"? Can you image to end like him when you were in his shoe? :Ohno:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Health insurance pays for everything with your money. You (or other people) actually pay for it without realizing it. Nothing is free (except maybe for thieves, heh, heh).

I think you don't get it...

Example:

I pay $100 for health insurance per month... It doesn't mean that they cover $100 for my son's head surgery that's because I pay $100 to health insurance?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The really poor people can get Medicaid.



We already do that. My taxes pay for Medicaid and Medicare for other people.

Who will pay for the additional medical services that Hillary proposes? If my taxes increase to pay for her programs, then I will have less money to pay for my own medical needs.

Why million people don't have insurance when they are on work? Why can't they get Medicaid then?

 

[Reba]

So? Again, I am reallllyyyyyy gllllaaaadddddddd.... without hassle and stress

Did you heard the movie "John Q"? Can you image to end like him when you were in his shoe? :Ohno:

Hello, that was a fictional movie, not a true story.

I can't give details (for privacy reasons) but let me tell you that critically ill poor children (of all races) do get taken care of, including transplants. It's not easy but it can be done.

And the staff do not treat them like "charity cases". I've seen it.

 

[PowerON]

I think you don't get it...

Example:

I pay $100 for health insurance per month... It doesn't mean that they cover $100 for my son's head surgery that's because I pay $100 to health insurance?

you don't get it. more tax, govt will take your money to pay to someone for med in need.

Canada don't make much money as they decide go to shop here in US which is much cheap than in Canada to save their ass.

 

[Foxrac]

I would like to correct you about this.

We work to pay health insurance. The bill goes to health insurance directly, not us, no matter either I am work or out of work.

It sounds like health tax or medical tax (paid from payroll), sometime, you made confused me after mention on health insurance.

In USA, we do have medicare from payroll, that is part of tax from SS.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It sounds like health tax or medical tax (paid from payroll), sometime, you made confused me after mention on health insurance.

No, our system are different.

Check my thread. It explains
http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/18485-tax-between-europe-any-countries-world.html

I work to pay social insurances (health, nursing care, pension and unemployment) AND taxes (Gross tax, solidarity tax and Church tax) My Employer and I as employee or worker pay social insurances and taxes 50%-50%.

I used to work in England and paid health insurance, pension insurance and gross tax. It goes the same with Canada and other European countries as well.

In USA, we do have medicare from payroll, that is part of tax from SS.

Yes, I know you work to pay tax for medicare to help poor people but you don´t have medicare yourself that´s because you are work... Right? I get my medical care because I work to pay insurances.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

you don't get it. more tax, govt will take your money to pay to someone for med in need.

Canada don't make much money as they decide go to shop here in US which is much cheap than in Canada to save their ass.

You don´t get it either.

I explained Reba in my previous post... That's why I am for Hillary's support plan because everyone (yes, I mean everyone) should pay health insurance if they are work and support the others who are out of work or living on pension money. Its about support each other. I really have no problem for that.

I rather to help people with my money because their health come first before war issues.

I don´t beleive that Canadians went to USA for medical care since they have everything what they need in their country.

 

[Foxrac]

No, our system are different.

Check my thread. It explains
http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/18485-tax-between-europe-any-countries-world.html

I work to pay social insurances (health, nursing care, pension and unemployment) AND taxes (Gross tax, solidarity tax and Church tax) My Employer and I as employee or worker pay social insurances and taxes 50%-50%.

I used to work in England and paid health insurance, pension insurance and gross tax. It goes the same with Canada and other European countries as well.





Yes, I know you work to pay tax for medicare to help poor people but you don´t have medicare yourself that´s because you are work... Right? I get my medical care because I work to pay insurances.

I only have Medicaid for medical issue reason, that all but different from Medicare.