Hearies view on a CI kid... its a bummer

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes I am with you on this, Cheri.

My hubby & I are deaf and have 2 hearing boys. We exposed our hearing boys to both world, not just hearing world or deaf world.

I have seen a lot of hearing children of deaf parents exposed both world. I would be shock in my life if deaf parents want their hearing children to consider deaf world only but I didn't see once like this.

 

[highlands]

That's not always true, not every deaf person who doesn't need to hear prefer to live in the Deaf Culture, I for one don't have a cochlear implant and I do explore in both worlds.

Most Deaf children who have hearing parents, being raised in a hearing household, would raise the child in a hearing world, Most Deaf parents who have hearing children being raised in a Deaf household would raise in a hearing world because the child itself is hearing. Understand the differences? I haven't seen a Deaf parents who have a hearing child would only explore their hearing child in a deaf world, maybe both worlds, maybe just the hearing world.

That's why it's important to me it is, that hearing parents should explore their deaf child to both worlds, not just the hearing world not just the deaf world.

If a hearing parent only want to explore their deaf child into a hearing world only, that means they're selfish parents who don't think of their deaf child. Sorry to say that but it's the truth.

I only talked about anyone who doesn't want to hear.. but you're right.. The deaf kids should be raised with two ways both hearing and Deaf .. They should learn both ways so that they may make a choice for themselves if they need to .

 

[Cloggy]

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That's why it's important to me it is, that hearing parents should explore their deaf child to both worlds, not just the hearing world not just the deaf world.
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How long should the exploring in "both" worlds take?
Should a family move to another town in order to come in contact with Deaf community?
Should everyone around the child start to learn sign?

 

[Cloggy]

Maria: Who said I dislike CI ? I am against CI. ...........
Cloggy: And the difference is...???
Maria: Oh, yes there's difference. The difference is THAT device is wrong. It's wrong for the company to invent CI.

Well, you know what ? I am not goin' to argue with you. You figure it all out on your own. Make sure that you don't make a mistake in the near future. Make sure that you read the link I gave Jackie in my previous post.

?? OK ??

 

[Cheri]

How long should the exploring in "both" worlds take?

as soon as the child is in it's toddler years, Don't you think a child should know it's own world too?

Should a family move to another town in order to come in contact with Deaf community?

I'm not talking about moving to another town, but down the road in life, they might come in contact with the deaf community, my question is are you going to be prepare? Will you take your deaf child to Deaf Expos?

Should everyone around the child start to learn sign?

Doesn't have to be everybody, It is important to understand the full nature of your child, You as a parent should give your child many options as possible that including signs as well. In my view it is vital for parents to learn sign as another form of communication.

 

[jillio]

Whatever happened to being impressed with a deaf child who is strongly fluent in ASL and is able to describe what a Venn Diagram is in her own words at the age of 8 without any cues from the teacher? That is impressive as welll but it seems like the general public is more impressed with deaf kids being able to use their voices.

I agree with Liebling...it is not the CI that makes the child successful..it is the child's motivation and drive.

BINGO! Teachers inthe mainstream don't seem to be too impresed by accomplishments that are based on adaptation. Those are the true miracles. When you can put a deaf child in an environment that concentrates only on their weakest sense, and they still succeed, that is remarkable.

 

[jillio]

dd how many times do I have to request that you quit using 'wittle smashie' when describing kids who have disablities. I HAVE a child with mental retardation, I have a child who has hearing problems I have NEVER and NEVER will refer to my kids in such a nasty way. Exactly why do you have such a problem with parents who do go out and get what their child really needs.

Just a general FYI it is NOT unsual for parents to go through a grieving process and a time of denial after their child is diagnosed with a disablity. If you ask any 'expert' you'd know that. If you are trained in working with persons with disablities you should also be aware of that fact. Some go through that process rather quickly other take longer, and I'm sure some never get to complete exceptance but they are very few.

A parent whom you think of a not excepting their childs disablitly because of their pushing for things you seem to think they shouldn't try for is actually not necessarily in denial but more likely to be very informed and not willing to back down to much. One must remember that many of the teachers and staff who are involved with IEP's are trained to use the Delphi technique. Read up on it. It's not just getting parents to compromise but to take control of the whole process and guide the outcome to what is exceptable for the school. Parents who are informed don't fall into that trap. Those are the parents of your smashie I guess.

Have a nice day. And please quit referring to children with disablities as 'wittle smashie' because you don't agree with their parents way of educating them. thank you.

I don't think dd disagrees with any parent getting what their child needs. What dd disagrees with, and what so many of the posters disagree with is the parent who provides for their childe's needs based on what the parent needs fromthe child and not what the child needs from the parent. Piorities are reversed.

 

[jillio]

Oh I do understand, I have grew up oral half of my youngster life, and You can be able to teach a deaf child speech and language without cochlear implant. It's the truth.

And my son,too has oral skills and no implant. And shel, and some of my students, and many many deaf people the world over. I gave my son the opportunity to develop oral skills to the degree that he was able and comfortable with that. I just didn't insist that he ONLY have oral skills. If he wants to use his oral skills, fine. But if he doesn't (and he prefers sign), then that's okay too. He is successful either way.

 

[jillio]

That's not always true, not every deaf person who doesn't need to hear prefer to live in the Deaf Culture, I for one don't have a cochlear implant and I do explore in both worlds.

Most Deaf children who have hearing parents, being raised in a hearing household, would raise the child in a hearing world, Most Deaf parents who have hearing children being raised in a Deaf household would raise in a hearing world because the child itself is hearing. Understand the differences? I haven't seen a Deaf parents who have a hearing child would only explore their hearing child in a deaf world, maybe both worlds, maybe just the hearing world.

That's why it's important to me it is, that hearing parents should explore their deaf child to both worlds, not just the hearing world not just the deaf world.

If a hearing parent only want to explore their deaf child into a hearing world only, that means they're selfish parents who don't think of their deaf child. Sorry to say that but it's the truth.

Agree with you. And that has nothing to do with CI. It is all about attitude. Before CI came along, there were parents who put HAs on their children and isolated them from the deaf world and sign. HA, CI....doesn't matter.

And I think one thing that people seem to ignore hee.....there is a lot going on developmentally for a child when they are a baby and young child besides language acquisition. When you have to spend so much time and energy on drilling spoken language into that child, and teaching them to "hear", those other developmental needs to not get addressed, and that child ends up with delays other than just language. Is having a child that speaks so well that they can pass as hearing so important that you are justified in neglecting their other developmental needs?

 

[jillio]

as soon as the child is in it's toddler years, Don't you think a child should know it's own world too?



I'm not talking about moving to another town, but down the road in life, they might come in contact with the deaf community, my question is are you going to be prepare? Will you take your deaf child to Deaf Expos?


Doesn't have to be everybody, It is important to understand the full nature of your child, You as a parent should give your child many options as possible that including signs as well. In my view it is vital for parents to learn sign as another form of communication.

From cloggy: should the parent move to another town to be closer to the Deaf community?

Answer: It is certainly a possibility. I did. In fact, I moved 3 states to provide my son with a Deaf school that would address his needs, and the large Deaf community that surrounds it. I personally felt that my son's needs took precedence over everything else in my life, and if that meant selling my home, moving, and finding a new job, then that's what I did.

From cloggy: Should everyone around that child learn sign language?

Answer: In an ideal world,yes. But obviously we don't live in an ideal world whether you have a deaf child or a hearing child. But, when the parents do not even consider sign to be important enough to use it with the child, how can you convince others who are not as important in the child's life that it is important. If a parent refuses to become fluent and use sign on a consistent basis, they demonstrate to everyone else that sign is not important to that child. Siblings, grandparents, neighbors, friends, all take their cues from the parent. If the parent doesn't demonstrate the importance, no one else will consider it to be imrtant, either. However, if the parent does demonstrate that this is just a natural part of communication with their child, others will do the same.

 

[jillio]

How long should the exploring in "both" worlds take?
Should a family move to another town in order to come in contact with Deaf community?
Should everyone around the child start to learn sign?

The exploring is a life time journey, not an immedicate destination with a timetable.

 

[Cheri]

Answer: It is certainly a possibility. I did. In fact, I moved 3 states to provide my son with a Deaf school that would address his needs, and the large Deaf community that surrounds it. I personally felt that my son's needs took precedence over everything else in my life, and if that meant selling my home, moving, and finding a new job, then that's what I did.

Wow I'm impressed!

 

[jillio]

Wow I'm impressed!

No need to be impressed, but thank you. I just did what a parent is supposed to do IMO. When you become a parent, your child's needs come first.

 

[Cheri]

No need to be impressed, but thank you. I just did what a parent is supposed to do IMO. When you become a parent, your child's needs come first.

You got that right.

 

[jag]

Have you read the link ( Benefits/ Risks ) I provided in my previous post ? I would suggest you to read the " risks " in that link. Don't get your hope high.

Yes I have looked at it. I KNEW the risks when I was wheeled into the surgery. Everything is life has risks, either that or you hide in your home cowering because something might not go right.

I was only 32 when my daughter with ds was concieved. I was not in the age catagory that was concidered to be high risk for a child with ds. But anytime one gets pregnant one risks having a child with some type of significant delays or some type of noticiable error (like ds or deafness) in the genetic code. I say significant because in a visit with the genitisist when my third child was around 9 yrs old we learned that everyone born into this world has around 8 errors in the genetic coding that is in every cell in their body. Should we all hide and not risk having children because something might go wrong? Because of my hearing loss being hereditary all my kids have the risk of hearing loss, should I have not risked having children? Because they have a sister with ds should my other girls not risk having a child with ds?

We could go on and on about the risks associated with surgery or even just the risks of giving birth, therer are risks in labor and delivery some that even include having to perform surgery. I didn't have to take that risk, but it was a good choice. Life is a gift which includes many many risks.

 

[jag]

I'm glad you're happy with your CI, it was your choice because you know what's best for yourself and you live with it.

And having expericenced it if I had to I would make that choice for a child of mine. Since that's impossible now I still would encourage it for a grandchild if the child qualified.

 

[flip]

Well if I am looking to be educated as to cochlear implants it will not be by you. My question was not an attempt to discuss semantics (look up the word) but rather for you to cite your support for your statement "that (sic) CI is used by too many people as a (sic) instrument to make deaf people "normal"."

That you cannot state what your factual basis is for your statement tells me that it is just another unsubstantiated allegation akin to other unsubstantiated allegations such as the ci being a "cure for deafness" or a "miracle".

"That's why it makes sense to say "f**k CI" and "proud to be deaf", "

Wow, talk about needing an education, how articulate.

You don't have any education of significance, right?

 

[jillio]

Maria,

I went to your website, and found it very interesting. I just wanted to add that there is a section on the FDA's site that is titled "What Educators Should Know" that is also very informative. It supports many of the points that shel and Ihave been trying to make regarding the education of deaf kids....the main one being that language and speech are not the same thing and even with a CI, the child will likely experience delays and problems in grasping new material in an oral only environment.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

No need to be impressed, but thank you. I just did what a parent is supposed to do IMO. When you become a parent, your child's needs come first.

Jillo that is what our family did we didn't move 3 states over but we did move to a different county because their oral program was really good. YOur move was much farther.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

jackiesolorzano -

Benefits / Risks

Good luck !

So I read your post. Do you know how often these risks happen? I do in less then 1% of the cases. Life is a risk. Are you suggesting what that I try to hide my kids in the closet but even that is a risk since I live in southern California we have earthquakes. So hiding in my closet with my 2 deaf kids is still a risk.
I figure with rates lower then 1% that is a risk that we took and it sure worked out well for us.