Gun Control

Defee said:
No..you got two words mixed up....Columbine was a high school in Colorado..called Columbine High School where these kids killed some kids there..Columbia was the one that exploded in space.
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I know what I was talking about. I also made a post about Columbine too. I was replying to LUNZ's post about the conspiracies.
 
I am against gun violence and the devastation it causes. people aged 19 and under were killed a day in gun homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings in the United States... That I Cannot Stand. The scourge of gun violence frequently attacks the most helpless members of our society - My and Your Children..I would Not Allow Guns in My home around My Children. There are too much Risks Involved.


Under My State of Ohio Law about Gun Used In homes...parents can be held liable for the intentional criminal acts of their children that cause personal injury or death to another, and for acts such as theft or vandalism that cause loss or damage. According to current law, the statutory limit for liability is $10,000 plus the costs of the legal action. The improper or illegal use of a gun by a child that causes injury or death would be covered by the parental liability statute. If the parent or custodian is careless (negligent) in storing a gun, or permits the child to have access to it, the parent can be held liable for negligence in failing to properly secure the weapon or simply permitting the child to have access to it. Civil liability is but one of two possible consequences to parents if a child improperly uses a gun.
 
Defee said:
Id blame the carelessness of parents or whoever owns the guns! Its a must that they are locked up when children are around! we do that when we have children in the house..they are locked tight!
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I Agreed with you on this... But therefore, I am talking about What VamPyoX said about People kills not Guns Even if a Child played with it and did not mean for the gun to go off really it isn't the Child's Fault. If the Parent are not Responsible to Keep Guns out of Reach of Children then they have no business Keeping the Guns in Their Home.
 
VamPyroX said:
I know what I was talking about. I also made a post about Columbine too. I was replying to LUNZ's post about the conspiracies.
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Oh ok, sorry my bad! I didnt read you right..sorry again!
 
Well....

For Myself , I simply don't like guns and will never own one either....The reason why is because innocent children are being killed by guns that are not being locked up or they have poor knowledge and understanding when it comes to handling guns....They may not realize the dangers even when they think a gun is not loaded especially when they may be showing off to their friends or others or think its cool to play around with guns....It is true that parents are to be respondsible for being safe and teaching their children the dangers involved..... :)

Another reason is I personally don't care for ' Hunting ' even though it is a sport for others....Also, I can not see myself killing a harmless or innocent animal.... :eek:

Guns don't kill people ....it's those people who are SO violent and they see a way of using guns to fulfill their own crazy needs / satisfaction with a criminal intent..... :ugh:

It would be NICE to see guns banned!...I'm sorry , but that's how I feel...I would LOVE to see a peaceful world without guns which a lot of lives wouldn't be lost because of guns.....For example: The Many many children who have lost their own lives due to guns however it happened... :(
 
one thing piss me off about minnesota's law..

Minnesota law permits people to carry concealed guns around in public if you have a concealed weapon permit..

on the first day when the law passed over 14,000 people have permit to carry handguns in public *eek*
 
Gun is ban in Australia, and it is nearly impossible to find a toy gun in Toy R us shops etc.
 
To quote a very old and tired adage, you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. About three years ago I was the primary whistleblower in a $50 million corporate bank fraud case. I worked for what was then the third largest record distributor in the United States. The owner of the company had borrowed $15 million from an asset based lender using fake collateral. He then transferred title of the company (along with the unpaid balance on the note) to two black con men from Oakland who used the same fake collateral to try to secure a $35 million loan from another lender. One of them had done federal time for mail and credit fraud. As soon as they took over the company, they started transferring the company’s assets to associates of theirs who were involved in an interstate narcotics trafficking ring. They also tried to ingratiate themselves with the movers and the shakers in the Los Angeles rap scene, and hired the former president of Death Row Records to head their distribution efforts. One day I got tired of their bullshit and decided that I was going to take them down. I called the bank they were trying to get the loan from and tipped them off. After that, I called the FBI and gave them an earful. Then I called the bank that had written the original $15 million loan. They immediately froze the company’s account and seized their assets. The company filed for Chapter 11 a week later. Later, I was tipped off by an executive at Capitol Records that they were getting ready to distribute large amounts of cocaine through the operation, and that there was a good possibility that Suge Knight was directly involved. (Trust me—Suge Knight did not become a born-again Christian when he was in prison).

So what did I do about it? Did I carry around a pocketful of rubber bands with me so that I could snap spitballs at them if the need arose? Hardly. For the next 6 months, there was a gun with me everywhere I went—even the bathroom. After a few months I started to relax a little, but to this day I still watch my back wherever I go and I still have a high powered semi-automatic and a backup .357 within easy reach at all times when I’m in the house. So anybody who wants to talk to me about gun control might as well whisper it in my deaf left ear. As long as there are criminals in the world, the public has a right to protect themselves from them.
 
Australia has strict guns/firearms laws. It is impossible for you to obtain a gun here without a licence.

Here, if you want to obtain a gun/firearm licence, you have to explain why you want a licence to use guns/firearms and your criminal background will be looked at - this takes a while...

After you have obtained your gun licence, it can take up to 3-6 months for you to get your own gun.

Australia started to make strict laws about owning guns/firearms after the Martin Bryant shootings that occurred in Tasmania in 1996, where 31 people were killed.

There has been recent influences with kids and toy guns - toy guns are a form of violence, and therefore will influence the kid when he/she is older - so it's impossible to find a toy gun in the shops now.
 
Levonian said:
To quote a very old and tired adage, you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. About three years ago I was the primary whistleblower in a $50 million corporate bank fraud case. I worked for what was then the third largest record distributor in the United States. The owner of the company had borrowed $15 million from an asset based lender using fake collateral. He then transferred title of the company (along with the unpaid balance on the note) to two black con men from Oakland who used the same fake collateral to try to secure a $35 million loan from another lender. One of them had done federal time for mail and credit fraud. As soon as they took over the company, they started transferring the company’s assets to associates of theirs who were involved in an interstate narcotics trafficking ring. They also tried to ingratiate themselves with the movers and the shakers in the Los Angeles rap scene, and hired the former president of Death Row Records to head their distribution efforts. One day I got tired of their bullshit and decided that I was going to take them down. I called the bank they were trying to get the loan from and tipped them off. After that, I called the FBI and gave them an earful. Then I called the bank that had written the original $15 million loan. They immediately froze the company’s account and seized their assets. The company filed for Chapter 11 a week later. Later, I was tipped off by an executive at Capitol Records that they were getting ready to distribute large amounts of cocaine through the operation, and that there was a good possibility that Suge Knight was directly involved. (Trust me—Suge Knight did not become a born-again Christian when he was in prison).

So what did I do about it? Did I carry around a pocketful of rubber bands with me so that I could snap spitballs at them if the need arose? Hardly. For the next 6 months, there was a gun with me everywhere I went—even the bathroom. After a few months I started to relax a little, but to this day I still watch my back wherever I go and I still have a high powered semi-automatic and a backup .357 within easy reach at all times when I’m in the house. So anybody who wants to talk to me about gun control might as well whisper it in my deaf left ear. As long as there are criminals in the world, the public has a right to protect themselves from them.
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Wow! amazing story!! I certainly dont blame you for carrying the gun to protect yourself! I would do the same thing! and also..since you blew the whistle on these crooks, how come you are not in witness protection program?? :eek:
 
RedRum said:
Gun is ban in Australia, and it is nearly impossible to find a toy gun in Toy R us shops etc.
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I'm moving to Australia....!! :fingersx:
 
Depending on the situation, if it comes down to having to keep a gun to protect myself and my family, I would keep one. But NOT until after I take extensive courses on safety and the use of a gun. Of course, I'll use the child-proof gun lock.
 
Defee said:
Wow! amazing story!! I certainly dont blame you for carrying the gun to protect yourself! I would do the same thing! and also..since you blew the whistle on these crooks, how come you are not in witness protection program?? :eek:
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It wasn’t really that type of case. WITSEC is for high profile cases. Things like this are just too common. The only agency that even lifted a finger to investigate was the IRS. Everybody else just filed it away and ignored it. Besides, there were just too many people coming forward with information. After the new owners took over the company, they kept almost all of the old employees. Since everybody who worked there knew the score, they had two choices: quit or go along with it. About 20 of the old employees gladly went along with it and settled into the new routine, helping the new owners cook the books and doing whatever else was necessary. As soon as the whole thing collapsed and the heat was on, they all peed in their pants and sang like birdies. The bank pursued their civil case for 2 years before they finally gave up and wrote off the loss. By that time, all of the principle players had been completely bankrupted by legal fees. The last rumor that was going around in the record biz was that the guy who started the whole thing was flat broke and was hiding out in San Diego with his ex-wife, who is selling cats over the Internet. It’s nothing more than a minor piece of record industry history now, and everybody has moved on and forgotten about it.
 
Levonian said:
It wasn’t really that type of case. WITSEC is for high profile cases. Things like this are just too common. The only agency that even lifted a finger to investigate was the IRS. Everybody else just filed it away and ignored it. Besides, there were just too many people coming forward with information. After the new owners took over the company, they kept almost all of the old employees. Since everybody who worked there knew the score, they had two choices: quit or go along with it. About 20 of the old employees gladly went along with it and settled into the new routine, helping the new owners cook the books and doing whatever else was necessary. As soon as the whole thing collapsed and the heat was on, they all peed in their pants and sang like birdies. The bank pursued their civil case for 2 years before they finally gave up and wrote off the loss. By that time, all of the principle players had been completely bankrupted by legal fees. The last rumor that was going around in the record biz was that the guy who started the whole thing was flat broke and was hiding out in San Diego with his ex-wife, who is selling cats over the Internet. It’s nothing more than a minor piece of record industry history now, and everybody has moved on and forgotten about it.
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Oh ok i understand clearly now..thanks for explaining !..its interesting though.
there are some much BS going on in companies even here where i work! I cant talk about it...*shudders*....thanks again!
 
well no...I was thinking about moving to democrats, instead. is that good enough?
 
Weapons

I got my first gun, (Notice I didn't say weapon), when I was 9 years old. I was instructed on how to use it, what it was to be used for, and when it was persmissible to use it. It was a tool. It was used for hunting. I hunted for food. Never did I hear "Killing" associated with hunting. Never, ever. When I got done hunting it was placed in a cabinet.

When I joined the Army I was issued a "weapon" and was chastised if I ever called it a gun. It's purpose was not that of a gun, it was a weapon used to "Kill" and I was instructed on how to use it accordingly.

When I was 6 I was given a knife. The knife much like my gun was a tool. It was used to help me cut open feed bags for the horses, cut bailing twine etc.

When I joined the Army I was given a bayonett. This was a weapon and I was taught how to use it to "Kill"

Weapons in general can be made from anything..It is the intent that makes an object a weapon. Weapons can be anything from a simple rock to an automatic rifle.

I believe that in some areas weapon control is required. For instance.. in a major City where you can't hunt and you don't need it as a tool where the only intent may be that of hurting someone who intends you harm..self defense...Or to using a weapon to commit a crime..The weapon of course gives the criminal an upperhand. I also believe that weapons need to have various categories assigned to them such as Antique, heirloom, etc. But in order to retain those in your home proper safeguards need to be applied to them so they can't be stolen and used in the commision of a crime, or accidentaly discharged by a child.

Bottom line is I feel it is hard to impossible to ban someones intent. Proper safeguards, and education must come with every gun that a person owns. The education must also be extended to the family as well.
 
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