Good news? (Abortions)

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by Berry
One reason for aborting a baby of rape was not mentioned: Not wanting to deal with the father in the future.

Not sure what current law is where but in some states a rapist could impregnate a woman, spend a few years in jail, then once released demand, and recieve, visiting rights to the child.

So who would want every other weekend to drop their child off at the house of the man who raped them, or have the rapist come to their house to pick the child up? Daddy's here. ( The Real one, ya know, not the one who is doing all the day to day stuff.)

Your description sound the one of movies, I saw is "The Price She Paid" Loni Anderson (Burt Reynold's ex-wife) play as Rapist's victim and carried Rapist's child and raise a boy with love... until Rapist went to look for her and child after out of 10 years jail for rape. He filed his visitation right... court gave him right... which is very scary movie... Loni wasn't realized that ex-Rapist is look for REVENAGE ... and tried to kill son... to scare mother off... terrible movie... really scary... I watched until the movie end and it written... the story is a fiction but the sad fact is many former rapists filed their visitation rights to see their children in different states that's why many mothers fighting to against their visitation rights. The reason, the movie "The Price She Paid", they made is protect mothers and children and hope the court will see it and deny former Rapist's visitation rights.

I would recommend you all to rent that movie "The Price She Paid". It's really scary movie.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well I don't know about that, but really, I don't care if the abortion was legal or illegal, it's just my own opinion, if I have a girl who carrying the baby, and planning to abortion, I would like to talk with her rather than just leave whole the work on her which will make her feel like I don't care about the baby.

Understand?

Yes, but help child's decision with talk without force them to do something what you want.

I never telling others what to do, just asking questions and only post my opinion in my own post without direct to anyone.

Yes, I see nothing wrong when you stated your own POV why you see different as us.

No... What I mean about men's involvement with the abortion issue to speak out for the babies, just like Reba said, also the men was the one who supposed to take care of the woman for 9 months during her pregnancy. You are right, men does not experience the same as women, but the men can be handful for women with their pregnancy issue.

If I have a girl who carrying my baby developing in her stomach and she decide to consider about the abortion, I would like to talk with her about it and seek for solution or other options, helping her to understand what's her right choice. That is the men's act to be fatherhood

I'd rather to do those what I just said than just leave all of the works and stress on the woman, it might make her feel like I don't care about the baby, I just don't want the woman feel that way about me and the baby from me in her stomach.

What you did is great without force her do something what you want.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Does she have the mental capacity to understand what is happening to her body during an abortion?

It make no difference either abortion or pregnancy to 9 months. She suffers the same either abortion or pregnancy because she didn't ask for it.

Is an abortion less to suffer than a pregnancy?

I personally would say yes but I don't know how the child feel. Remember each person has different feeling. That's why I am here to support child's choice and advice/recommend her without force her something what I want.

Which may be why she miscarried.

BTW, first babies of young girls are very rarely 10-lbs. or larger. They're usually on the smaller size.

Would you want her to do that?

Why punish the girl? It's the abusing grownups that need to be punished. The poor girl should be rescued from them.

Nobody punish the girl because we all know that she didn't ask for it. We are here to help her. I really has no idea why punish the girl for?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Exactly. Women had abortions before Roe v Wade made it legal. They went into back alleys and got them in unsterile conditions, Many women died from the procedure. Others were left permanently scarred so that they were never able to conceive again. Making it illegal is only going to force abortion back into those conditions. Is it okay to sacrifice the mother's life?

Exactly!!!

also Silentwolfdog's post as well.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Of the millions of pro-life people, how many actually kill doctors or bomb clinics? How many approve of that behavior? I don't, and I know most other pro-life people don't approve of those crimes.

but approve death penalty. It belongs killing is killing.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

When I say it is wrong to murder an inocent preborn child then
it is wrong to murder the man who killed it without due process. I would never condone murdering any one without due process. Let the baby
murderer be tried in court first. He is hardly defenseless.

Is it wrong to hunt animal for sport (fun)? Some pro-lifers support it.

Is it wrong to kill animal for meat? (Some pro-lifers are not vegatarian/vegan).

I do not see any wrong when pro lifers eat meat or whatever but some of their comments annoy me total is "abortion is murder, evil, selfish, etc. etc. etc.) because they themselves support death penalty, eat meats, war, etc.

Sure, it's wrong of human who kill other human. The human who is a killer deserve a punishment is life-sentence, not sentence him to death. If a human who punish a human to death is also murder as well.

 

[Reba]

...I posted the story about the example over my hubby's Grandma at other thread who was being raped by different soliders/Nazi while she was a cooker and already have a 17 years old son whom her husband was killed by WWII. She fall unwanted pregnant and want to abort it... Unfortunlately no, the abortion law was forbidden at that time. She was force to carry an unwanted fetus until 9 months. After birth to son, (that son is happen to my hubby's father). It got Grandma bad nightmare when she look at my hubby's Dad. His childhood was very unhappy one....

That's an amazing story! Just think, if abortion was allowed back then, your hubby would never exist, and your sons would never exist. Wow!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's an amazing story! Just think, if abortion was allowed back then, your hubby would never exist, and your sons would never exist. Wow!

It about my hubby's Grandma, not my hubby and boys.

You call my story about my hubby's Grandma an amazing story. I do not find my story is an amazing but very sad... I feel really bad for her... It's terrible what and how she had been through during WWII time. What and How she was being through is label as hure, etc. by neighbors... because she was pregnant widow.

Anyway, I told my hubby what if Grandma abort his Dad then? My hubby told me that he do not wish his Dad is his father but born to different parents. What his Grandma told him do not affect him because he understood her suffer pain.

Your post sound that you has a cold feeling toward Rapist's victims. call that "wow" and "amazing"... *shake my head sadly*

 

[Reba]

It about my hubby's Grandma, not my hubby and boys.

If hubby's dad was aborted, then hubby would never be born. If hubby was never born, then you would never marry hubby and have your two sons. Right?

You call my story about my hubby's Grandma an amazing story. I do not find my story is an amazing but very sad... I feel really bad for her... It's terrible what and how she had been through during WWII time. What and How she was being through is label as hure, etc. by neighbors... because she was pregnant widow.

Of course it is sad. It is also amazing how everything happens. It was an awful, tragic event for her and her son. But it led to the wonderful existence of your hubby and sons. That's amazing how tragedy can become blessing.

Anyway, I told my hubby what if Grandma abort his Dad then? My hubby told me that he do not wish his Dad is his father but born to different parents.

That might have been your hubby's wish but that wasn't the reality. If your hubby's dad was never born, neither would your hubby be born.

Your post sound that you has a cold feeling toward Rapist's victims. call that "wow" and "amazing"... *shake my head sadly*

You will interpret it whatever way you want (as always) but you're wrong about my feelings.

 

[Reba]

but approve death penalty. It belongs killing is killing.

I've told you many times that killing an innocent baby and executing a convicted murderer are not the same. For whatever reason, you enjoy dredging it up again.

Also, hunting and/or eating animals is not the same as killing human babies.

It astounds me how you can equate innocent babies with convicted murderers and meat on the hoof.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If hubby's dad was aborted, then hubby would never be born. If hubby was never born, then you would never marry hubby and have your two sons. Right?

Yes, you are right. I guess my life would be different if I never marry my hubby and give me both wonderful sons.

Of course it is sad. It is also amazing how everything happens. It was an awful, tragic event for her and her son. But it led to the wonderful existence of your hubby and sons. That's amazing how tragedy can become blessing.

Yeah, one thing I just thought when I read your post... hmmm : Just thought because I know my hubby was Grandma's favorite Grandson. Grandma love him dearly and has no interest to contact his son (my hubby's Dad and his wife). My hubby's Dad feel "obligated" to visit his unloving mother regularly...

That might have been your hubby's wish but that wasn't the reality. If your hubby's dad was never born, neither would your hubby be born.

Accord my hubby, he would born to different parents... I am surprised to know that he positive something when he know that Grandma want to abort his Dad instead of upset and offense. I am sure that you know from my several posts that my hubby & his Dad doesn't get on well each other and have no interest to contact his 2 grandsons (our boys).

You will interpret it whatever way you want (as always) but you're wrong about my feelings.

Okay and let it forget and move on...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I've told you many times that killing an innocent baby and executing a convicted murderer are not the same. For whatever reason, you enjoy dredging it up again.

Yes, we do not need to repeat our posts because we know our posts in several threads, don't we? I only quoted and simple pointed the example what you wrote, that's all. Yes, we disagree each other over our POV.

Also, hunting and/or eating animals is not the same as killing human babies.

Killing is Killing - I accept the fact that I am pro choice because I am a meat eater.

It astounds me how you can equate innocent babies with convicted murderers and meat on the hoof.

No, it's not true. I only point the fact what I see in "killing"...

 

[Reba]

Accord my hubby, he would born to different parents... I am surprised to know that he positive something when he know that Grandma want to abort his Dad instead of upset and offense. I am sure that you know from my several posts that my hubby & his Dad doesn't get on well each other and have no interest to contact his 2 grandsons (our boys).

Yes, I remember your posts about your FIL's family relationships. It's very sad.

If your hubby had been born to other parents, he wouldn't be the same person. He would have a different name, different upbringing, and different genes. The hubby that you know and fell in love with wouldn't exist.

But I'm glad that he does exist for you and your sons.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, I remember your posts about your FIL's family relationships. It's very sad.

If your hubby had been born to other parents, he wouldn't be the same person. He would have a different name, different upbringing, and different genes. The hubby that you know and fell in love with wouldn't exist.

But I'm glad that he does exist for you and your sons.

Yes, very true...

for cute compliment...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Interesting link

Word Munger » 2006» March» 27

 

[Reba]

Interesting link

Word Munger » 2006» March» 27

"Dave" doesn't seem to give logical or even courteous replies to the questions. He's entitled to his opinion but I personally wouldn't give it much weight. I'm not sure why you linked to him.

 

[Hwy99]

Yes, but help child's decision with talk without force them to do something what you want.


Yes, I see nothing wrong when you stated your own POV why you see different as us.


What you did is great without force her do something what you want.

Yupp that's right, always try to respect the woman's choice because the woman might feel she deserve the most of her choice for her pregnancy because she have to let the baby sitting on her stomach for 9 months.. I have to understand that, but the woman still need someone to talk about her baby, and being on her side while she was having a baby, it would be the men doing those

 

[fredfam1]

It's still eugenics, no matter how you put it.

Agreed. If we allow people to make these decisions, there will always be the
tendency to push things further and further. If we say a "vegtable" just takes
up resources, we are making a judgment call. And people will always say, "But
what about....." and then another person who may be just a little bit more
than a "vegtable" will be killed. Here is an interesting article in that reguard.

Will prenatal testing lead to only the perfect surviving? | MOMania | ajc.com

There is always another story, another reason to allow us to stop
experiencing life events. If a society only tries to allow what "feels
good" and never allows its people to experience the sadness and
sometimes trauma that is often a part of life, then we will never
be "Fully Human" ourselves.

 

[doh]

Actually before implantation, on day 3 of fertilization there are
8 cells, on day 4 there can be anywhere from 10 to 30 cells and
implantation has still not occurred. The where do we stop it
argument goes the other way as well.

How do you feel about cancer and other parasites? Cancerous cells divide and drain the body of resources and life. Shall cancer be fought? Shall parasites be eliminated?

 

[Secretblend]

How do you feel about cancer and other parasites? Cancerous cells divide and drain the body of resources and life. Shall cancer be fought? Shall parasites be eliminated?

Can you honestly say that that is same as a baby growing in a mother's womb?