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[C-NICE]

As far as using grey matter does that mean I must take certain deaf views as gospel? Where is it written that those parents can't feel that they want the oral methods.

 

[Jezie]

As far as using grey matter does that mean I must take certain deaf views as gospel? Where is it written that those parents can't feel that they want the oral methods.

Nope... just your thoughts are required... and thinking past your nose...

 

[C-NICE]

I just don't agree that pediatric CIs are a bad thing or that any success story is corporate propaganda. I also don't agree that deaf kids are defacto property of any deaf entity as opposed to their parents.

 

[hoichi]

No I'm not yet but according to you there is no way a deaf child could have success with a CI. Any mention is multinational propaganda. Anybody who likes having a CI or wants one must be sheep. I'm not quoting you but that's the impression I get.

i have never stated this.
again pls qoute my actual words...thats what the quote button si for..

 

[hoichi]

I checked it out and that web site discusses any brand of CI. The "Cochlear" in the name of the site is the genetic form for any brand of CI.

i checked it out too.'-)
indeed any brand of CI.

its not the brand or logos of those brands, that is the point.

i understand people trust used car salesman and even new car salesman,
i get it

i do.

i worked in sales a long time, i knew people who could literally sell sand to arabs and ice to eskimos...and have those they sold too thank them...

did i trust them?

i didnt but i worked with them...
others who they said too thought they were not only doing them a favour but their really good buddys too...
(shakes head)

anyway
back tot he thread..

 

[Jezie]

I just don't agree that pediatric CIs are a bad thing or that any success story is corporate propaganda. I also don't agree that deaf kids are defacto property of any deaf entity as opposed to their parents.

I do not believe anyone has said that deaf babies are the property of the Deaf community... become familiar with the quote button... goodness knows it has been asked enough of you, if you do not know how to operate it; ask. Lots of friendly people can walk you through it...
While you do not think that implanting prelingual babies is a bad thing, how does your thoughts reflect on the data that Hoichi provided that stated numerous factors to the contrary?
If more children show small improvements how does it rationalize denying prelingual deaf children sign? Does it not make sense that in order to market their product they would parade the few solid successes in front of cameras and crowds? Is marketing not a type of propaganda?

 

[hoichi]

I think CIs are a magnificent tool and I think the deaf community in never going give them an iota of due according to Hoichi's post that fact is clearly put forth.

well its crystal clear you think they "magnificent" and all the other words sued by yoru posts, "magic", so on so forth..
that is true
the second part of yoru statement is not true
considering the numbers implanted and failure rates of those implants..

thats allot more then an iota, or an iota unum for that matter...

 

[hoichi]

I just don't agree that pediatric CIs are a bad thing or that any success story is corporate propaganda. I also don't agree that deaf kids are defacto property of any deaf entity as opposed to their parents.

you don't have to agree, obviously its a discussion forum
so discuss

i have provided you with numbers

what are your thoughts on the numbers given to the success rates of yoru maricle messiah?

 

[C-NICE]

what are your thoughts on the numbers given to the success rates of yoru maricle messiah?
Does not have to be any assistance CIs provide appears to be a threat.

 

[C-NICE]

Your posts also put forward an agenda just a much as any multinational.

 

[hoichi]

Those post and data Hoichi's is clearly deaf paranoia. When it comes to the oral only approach the rational is that its the only way the child will learn to make use of the auditory data coming from the CI.

i am Deaf and im not paranoid far far from it.

the oral only approach is based on extremely faulty logic.
learning sign does NOT interfere with acquiring another language,

the idea that learning sign impedes learning oral is a fallacy based on prejudice.
not science or anything even remotely close.

bilingualism is a better bet for the child in every way. then monolingualism especially when that monolingualism is faulty, and not developed towards fluency ie the child cannot perceive the language fully..
its a better approach to be bilingual...
using the language the child can naturally perceive gaining fluency on one language helps to gain fluency in another
NOT
keeping the child form full fluency in both languages and the huge failure rate of oralism show this repeatedly..

 

[hoichi]

since you wont use proper quotes, after being asked repeatedly, thus i will..
i understand some people have difficulties doing some things, and have deep rooted psychological issues in regards to using qoute functions , and im sympathetic, i am, given all the plms in life i've overcome, im not sure if i could of overcame the fear of using quote functions in replies. a heavy burden indeed. thus i want to accommodate so..to help the discussion...i will

what are your thoughts on the numbers given to the success rates of yoru miracle messiah?

i asked you your thoughts on the actual numbers...
and this is your reply..

Does not have to be any assistance CIs provide appears to be a threat.

im sorry im not understanding this answer in regards to the question, can you either elaborate or be more specific thank you

 

[C-NICE]

Our babies, drilling holes in kids heads. CIs surgeries are a medical procedure. Descriptions count and that description seems a bit paranoid.

 

[hoichi]

Your posts also put forward an agenda just a much as any multinational.

who re you referring too?
more then one individual ha been participating in this thread

 

[C-NICE]

Those number can be manipulated just as easy a Advanced Bionic's. There is still an underlying agenda.

 

[Jezie]

Your posts also put forward an agenda just a much as any multinational.

So is quote button beyond your capabilities? It is really user friendly... promise your fingers will not break...

 

[hoichi]

Our babies, drilling holes in kids heads. CIs surgeries are a medical procedure. Descriptions count and that description seems a bit paranoid.

well the first question to be asked is
is the above occurring?

 

[C-NICE]

Your specific posts speak to a certain agenda.

 

[Jezie]

Still waiting for an answer...

I do not believe anyone has said that deaf babies are the property of the Deaf community... become familiar with the quote button... goodness knows it has been asked enough of you, if you do not know how to operate it; ask. Lots of friendly people can walk you through it...
While you do not think that implanting prelingual babies is a bad thing, how does your thoughts reflect on the data that Hoichi provided that stated numerous factors to the contrary?
If more children show small improvements how does it rationalize denying prelingual deaf children sign? Does it not make sense that in order to market their product they would parade the few solid successes in front of cameras and crowds? Is marketing not a type of propaganda?

Our babies, drilling holes in kids heads. CIs surgeries are a medical procedure. Descriptions count and that description seems a bit paranoid.

 

[C-NICE]

I told you what I think of the number. They speak to an agenda.