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this isnt about you , you post these threads, constantly and i participate,
its a discussion forum its that simple
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this isnt about you , you post these threads, constantly and i participate,
its a discussion forum its that simple
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no one is stating everything is
again pls qoute my actual words thank you,
lest people start misprepresentign you.
yes we are discussing the technology, and its ramifications
im always tickled when the ones who drone on an don the most about "choice" are the very ones moving to shut others up..
fascinating really
if you only want a one sided "CI will save you" nonsense then go to the Ci fetish boards...
here
you will encounter other opinions..some of those will be as yours others will not.
thats called freedom
breath it deep
No its not a savior but it is not a curse. I just don't like how some in the Deaf community approach them. I mentioned Ms. Whitestone in earlier posts. I remember reading some of the comments from the Deaf community when she chose a CI. You would have thought she committed a crime against humanity. Does deaf culture get to treat people like that?
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well tough. we approach them as we do for a very real reason.
i dunno, man that some girl form 20 years ago, so who knows...
as for treating people badly how about those Deaf kids denied sign language? how about those children kept away from Deaf so that they don't revert back to being Deaf?"
ever even think how they feel?
yeah
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So no answers... just more fetish videos, you do not actually want to discuss them?are you only seeking validation for your thoughts?
Can you debate the point that was made to your original post about choice, language deprivation, or anything? Reach just a bit here... has anyone said you have to answer to the deaf community? You bring these topics up on a forum meant to discuss thing, ... give it a try... see where things can go...
CI does not take deafness away, just like HA when its off your Hoh or deaf. Only 10% of the U.S. Population is Hoy or Deaf. I guess those children learning how to use the device is irrelevant. How are they going to adapt to it if they never get to use it? If they spend all their time in a deaf enclave exactly how is that going to happen? Your Cache Phrase Sign will set you free. You refuse to admit that's anti CI. To our present discussion if you are representative of the Deaf Community any parent who choose a CI for their kid can look forward to being treated like they committed a crime against humanity.
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has anyone here claimed it took deafness away?
the children violated by multi nationals have already adapted, as children do, and if you look at the actual numbers which i know you wont you will SEE, that most implanted children are not the stars your religion parades to you.
Deaf enclave thats a great idea....ill quote you on this for years to come....'-)
is that what you think?
yeah........not just a crime against humanity, but against the child and against my people and culture and the child's birthright
no argument here.
just one little piece though
im not a representative of anything..
im just that shadow with a cigarette, a Deaf guy who know whats at stake
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It has been shown that these companies that push for oral only method, depriving children of language, causing mental delays and even permanent damage... what would you call this? If a parent isolated their child and did not provide language to them is that not considered child abuse?
Ah, but it is a choice right? What choice though? The documentation has shown that many times there is not choice only one option... choice is so interesting it is a choice to drink and drive that leads to multiple deaths every year, multiple people crippled, maimed, and left with only memories...
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that's how WE see it, and that's the majority, not like you'd ever care to check the cite i've given you and others, but i do it for those who will find them..all cool
anyway
no kid gloves with me pal
the truth hurts and we will always satate whats happening.
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care to nut shell what this study actual states?
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did you read that study?
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i certainly have, unlike you i actually DO read cites given,
as for paradise interesting use of language given your religious zeal regarding CI, it certainly matches the vides you post
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since we will now post studies for the next 10 pages, which is perfect here is one for the discussion.
allot interesting in this one study, and i have plenty more as you see for this discussion.
infants and Children with Hearing Loss Need Early Language Access
'Even for a child who has auditory aids (hearing aids or CI) and seems to be doing well with them, the early learning of sign language, in particular, offers additional benefits. First, young hearing children develop language through not only auditory but visual cues; the same is true for young deaf children. Developmental neuroscience research indicates that rapid synaptic formation for lower-order somatosensory and visual cortices, which happens during the first four months and begins to level off after eight months, paves the way for higher order association cortices.39 Deaf infants should benefit from early exposure to sign language, since the strengthening of sensorimotor pathways involved in the development of sign language (that is, forming linguistic hand shapes and movements to convey meanings of words or sentences) may facilitate early development of spatial attention and receptive understanding of the communication modality'
then we have this pay attention its important..
'Speech alone, however, is not sufficient language input for a deaf child. Although CI is available for children who have bilateral severe to profound hearing loss that is unresponsive to amplification, and it typically shows strong success with children implanted before 18 months,52 individual variation is pervasive.53 For instance, research reports that successful CI outcomes best correlate with higher socioeconomic status and parental speech characteristics, specifically mean-length of utterance.54 In contrast, a persistent 21 percent of implanted children receive no linguistic benefits from CI (instead, they perceive only noise).55 For the 79 percent of implanted children who range from receiving minimal to substantial linguistic input from CI (that is, from being able to recognize alarm bells and fire engine sirens but not speech sounds, to being able to use the telephone), the device still neither restores nor effects normal hearing. Even a skilled recipient of CI receives no benefit when an implant malfunctions or when an external apparatus must be removed, such as for sports events or sleeping (which can be interrupted by an emergency that requires communication). Thus, their communication abilities need to be supplemented by contextual clues and speechreading, which makes language a constant task that requires focused attention and substantial effort. All these children need, and deserve, a language that they can use with ease, just as hearing children do.
Further, there is a growing body of evidence that CI, as a technology, presents no advantage to a deaf child over a hearing aid (HA) or other form of assistance with respect to the development of cognitive abilities such as executive function. Executive function has been found to be less well developed in children with CI or HA than it is in hearing children'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3072291/
allot in thsi paper we can and will go through i thought thought o start with these numbers.
considering Sign language denial is a standard policy of action and principle in the combined system of CI
this is why its very important for us to actually discuss this..
the above numbers for a piece of technology held as some messiah by you and others here, certainly offers some interesting thoughts..
allot interesting in this one study, and i have plenty more as you see for this discussion.
infants and Children with Hearing Loss Need Early Language Access
'Even for a child who has auditory aids (hearing aids or CI) and seems to be doing well with them, the early learning of sign language, in particular, offers additional benefits. First, young hearing children develop language through not only auditory but visual cues; the same is true for young deaf children. Developmental neuroscience research indicates that rapid synaptic formation for lower-order somatosensory and visual cortices, which happens during the first four months and begins to level off after eight months, paves the way for higher order association cortices.39 Deaf infants should benefit from early exposure to sign language, since the strengthening of sensorimotor pathways involved in the development of sign language (that is, forming linguistic hand shapes and movements to convey meanings of words or sentences) may facilitate early development of spatial attention and receptive understanding of the communication modality'
then we have this pay attention its important..
'Speech alone, however, is not sufficient language input for a deaf child. Although CI is available for children who have bilateral severe to profound hearing loss that is unresponsive to amplification, and it typically shows strong success with children implanted before 18 months,52 individual variation is pervasive.53 For instance, research reports that successful CI outcomes best correlate with higher socioeconomic status and parental speech characteristics, specifically mean-length of utterance.54 In contrast, a persistent 21 percent of implanted children receive no linguistic benefits from CI (instead, they perceive only noise).55 For the 79 percent of implanted children who range from receiving minimal to substantial linguistic input from CI (that is, from being able to recognize alarm bells and fire engine sirens but not speech sounds, to being able to use the telephone), the device still neither restores nor effects normal hearing. Even a skilled recipient of CI receives no benefit when an implant malfunctions or when an external apparatus must be removed, such as for sports events or sleeping (which can be interrupted by an emergency that requires communication). Thus, their communication abilities need to be supplemented by contextual clues and speechreading, which makes language a constant task that requires focused attention and substantial effort. All these children need, and deserve, a language that they can use with ease, just as hearing children do.
Further, there is a growing body of evidence that CI, as a technology, presents no advantage to a deaf child over a hearing aid (HA) or other form of assistance with respect to the development of cognitive abilities such as executive function. Executive function has been found to be less well developed in children with CI or HA than it is in hearing children'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3072291/
allot in thsi paper we can and will go through i thought thought o start with these numbers.
considering Sign language denial is a standard policy of action and principle in the combined system of CI
this is why its very important for us to actually discuss this..
the above numbers for a piece of technology held as some messiah by you and others here, certainly offers some interesting thoughts..
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