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[C-NICE]

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[LoveBlue]

I've heard people say, like after spending a day or two in bed due to an illness, they feel more human after getting shower.

It's just an expression. Not a comparison to other people. Sheesh.

 

[hoichi]

Since you don't have a CI, how can you criticize what a CI does for him?

because i'm human..
and i know those like him are not "more human" then me..no matter what products they choose to penetrate themselves with..

i did time with guys who thought themselves more human then others, sucked, i had to pay attention to that nonsense day in and day out, im not even full white, .
SUCKED

don't get me wrong.
i know every argument re the MORE HUMAN crowd, i read all the stuff, know all the ins and outs, i get it, i do, and i even know how it all relates to audsm and eradicating Deaf.

i'm not new to this..
so when i see
"MORE HUMAN" in authors works and interviews i take notice..especially in regards to CI and assimilation.
i pay attention

 

[hoichi]

I've heard people say, like after spending a day or two in bed due to an illness, they feel more human after getting shower.

It's just an expression. Not a comparison to other people. Sheesh.

right and those people aren't phds writing tech articles or pushing an agenda of assimilation are they?


so you want me to believe the author on his webpagge was just using an expression? and he didnt really mean what it states,

we can jump down the rabbit hole if you want
but we both know the author sued more human in his interview and webpage for a reason

he actually believes what he states

i have no reason to assume this author is lying, or that he choose the wrong words for his statements, or it was an accident
given his creds and the other article i read

im taking this gentleman at his word

why aren't you?

 

[Bottesini]

explain more human to me pls...

your a human
im a human

have you ever been more a human?
if so how is that "more" measured and against what as in a less then..

ive never been more then human so i'm curious for you to tell me about it

if i not just "feel' but actually state a given product choice, makes me more human. as an example cool snake skin cowboy boots, or my fave machinegun, or a cool red mustang or....a robot penis.....

and i tell you these products make me more human...

what am i really stating?

think it through, take your time

He means more connected to humanity, through this electronic device.

 

[hoichi]

well anyway the first chapter in the author's book is titled "broken" this is an audiological construct of phonocentric colonialism. and audism. plain and simple.

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great interview so this gentleman claims to be a philosopher and big thinker thus
he would have no plms at all if we deconstruct his utterances to the end of getting a closer look inside this big thinker and philosopher itinerant. to bad this entire interview he stated very little of his philosopher, big thoughts or anything, but he did leave a few tidbits.


integrated = assimilated
note when he uses this too, right before he states he

did not learn sign language he was just some person with a hearing loss

this is standard oralist discourse, and its the hammer they use on deaf caught int he oralist assimilation factory..

your never deaf, your just semone who cant hear...(shakes head)
your not deaf your just someone with a hearing loss....

its i think line 7 in the oralist blue binder for standard one lines used..tsk tsk...

it wasnt my batteries that were dying it was my ears that were dying?

again more phonocentric audist discourse
the use of language and words surrounding death and dying for deafness is part of a way to construct certain responses..
it can be used with anything..
as an example

women
"this is a nice bed you have here, thank you for bringing me over....."

man
"spending the night with me, you will feel as if you have died, death will envelope you, the loss is an of an abyss so great and profound , cold steel does it no justice...."

women
"see ya...."

by using such loaded words as death and dying, grieve, loss, ,, and using them in regards to tagging or measuring deafness, it leads the viewer or listener in the case of the vid or anyone to instinctively want the non death ie non deaf option,,
few will choose death,

then of course you pitch the alternative to death.deaf..which is .salvation....ie CI which makes you more human because the author just told you it made him more human

 

[hoichi]

Dr. Chorost has bilateral CIs practical experience from someone who has them and does like having them. No concern of yours

its all our concern
the money he makes for CI, they use against us.

also ideas matter, and his ideas since you keep posting him i assume you want others, to discuss his thoughts and ideas and statements.

 

[hoichi]

He means more connected to humanity, through this electronic device.

alright
but given his creds, his education, is not odd he would not use the words you use to show what he may mean
rather then the words he choose which have allot of power and meaning to many considering what "more human" actually means...

his editors would of also brought this to his attention, considering his book i used to push a product, i doubt the use of the words was not well thought it..
given that he has used it more then once it different places..

by using more precise language like you did, then it helps lessen misunderstanding..

i know what yoru stating bots i see it
im just exploring the use of language here..

also given the superiority that oralists and orlas almost always veel..
his choice of words was interesting

 

[C-NICE]

Nerve deafness does involve the hair cells in your cochlear dying. Why not use the word death, that is part of your auditory system dying. In his case the last parts.

well anyway the first chapter in the author's book is titled "broken" this is an audiological construct of phonocentric colonialism. and audism. plain and simple.


great interview so this gentleman claims to be a philosopher and big thinker thus
he would have no plms at all if we deconstruct his utterances to the end of getting a closer look inside this big thinker and philosopher itinerant. to bad this entire interview he stated very little of his philosopher, big thoughts or anything, but he did leave a few tidbits.


integrated = assimilated
note when he uses this too, right before he states he



this is standard oralist discourse, and its the hammer they use on deaf caught int he oralist assimilation factory..

your never deaf, your just semone who cant hear...(shakes head)
your not deaf your just someone with a hearing loss....

its i think line 7 in the oralist blue binder for standard one lines used..tsk tsk...



again more phonocentric audist discourse
the use of language and words surrounding death and dying for deafness is part of a way to construct certain responses..
it can be used with anything..
as an example

women
"this is a nice bed you have here, thank you for bringing me over....."

man
"spending the night with me, you will feel as if you have died, death will envelope you, the loss is an of an abyss so great and profound , cold steel does it no justice...."

women
"see ya...."

by using such loaded words as death and dying, grieve, loss, ,, and using them in regards to tagging or measuring deafness, it leads the viewer or listener in the case of the vid or anyone to instinctively want the non death ie non deaf option,,
few will choose death,

then of course you pitch the alternative to death.deaf..which is .salvation....ie CI which makes you more human because the author just told you it made him more human

 

[C-NICE]

The whole point of the electrodes in a CI is to replace those dead hair cells.

 

[hoichi]

The whole point of the electrodes in a CI is to replace those dead hair cells.

yep i know

 

[hoichi]

Nerve deafness does involve the hair cells in your cochlear dying. Why not use the word death, that is part of your auditory system dying. In his case the last parts.

the english language posses all kinds of words for that, people use the words they use for reasons.
certainly in cases such as phds promoting products. an ideological frameworks

 

[C-NICE]

The interview also shows his CIs providing him with usable hearing. That level is not propaganda it is fact.

 

[hoichi]

The interview also shows his CIs providing him with usable hearing. That level is not propaganda it is fact.

did i state that part it was?
but since you brought it up, facts are used in propaganda, that's why it can be and for the most part is so effective.

 

[C-NICE]

Time magazine
http://time.com/76154/deaf-culture-cochlear-implants/

 

[hoichi]

Time magazine
http://time.com/76154/deaf-culture-cochlear-implants/

what are your thoughts on the article?

 

[hoichi]

Time magazine
http://time.com/76154/deaf-culture-cochlear-implants/

thank for posting.
this is a classic piece of propaganda and a fun read..pay close attention..in here you will find fact and fiction, meshed to suit a given ideological construct that of phono-centric colonialism in the guese of a caring helpless mother just wanting to help her son..bu tit reads judging by the language used very different to more discerning eyes

It was such a daunting task that most of the leading auditory neurophysiologists in the 1960s and 1970s, when the idea was first explored in the United States, were convinced cochlear implants would never work. It took decades of work by teams of determined (even stubborn) researchers in the United States, Australia and Europe to solve the considerable engineering problems involved as well as the thorniest challenge: designing a processing program that worked well enough to allow users to discriminate speech. When they finally succeeded on that front, the difference was plain from the start

we can start here, its as good as any, again
the bolded language here used was chosen wisely for the effects these words have on readers, daunting, leading, determined, succeeded on that front, all are words that convey a certain emotional response of a struggle, with words to set a line for authority ie leading
there is another way to right this history...

most of those people she states were not convinced were horrified at human experiments for cochlear implants, that were a violation of medical ethics. the determined researches were the ones that simply broke the ethical boundaries regardless of their peers objections, even going to the press to spread false information in the hopes to gain funds for out of bounds work. they covered up and swept under the rug childrens deaths due to CI, while along the way peddling a cure and a miracle of biblical proportions to new parents facing the many headed hydra of the oralist assimilation machine.

the fact that technology had been invented that could help the deaf hear seemed “a miracle of biblical proportions.”

this is hardly a fact, given the vast difference in actual results, if we accept this as fact then, facts are as nebulous as falsehoods then, here you have the mask of benevolence rearing its head ...
the miracle and a biblical one too,in religious language for a product CI, and its promised salvation a miracle.

Many in Deaf culture didn’t agree.

here you have a bald face lie,

its the majority,

As I began to investigate what a cochlear implant would mean for Alex, I spent a lot of time searching the Internet, and reading books and articles. I was disturbed by the depth of the divide I perceived in the deaf and hard of hearing community.

above she uses Deaf culture, yet here she uses deaf and hard of hearing community, ill take her at her word and she spent allot of time researching online then i will assume she knows what she did here...in dismissing the majority that do not see CI as a miracle of biblical proportions,

There seemed to be a long history of disagreement over spoken versus visual language, and between those who saw deafness as a medical condition and those who saw it as an identity. The harshest words and the bitterest battles had come in the 1990s with the advent of the cochlear implant.

disagreement is here a polite euphemism for what is termed phoncentric colonialism and assimilation,

now below we have some neat propaganda tricks....pay close attention..they steal plays from goebbels play book. so now in order to set the facade of impartiality and objectivity the author who is clearly not objective and is a mother of a violated ci implanted child quotes form a a well received work.

They called that world Deaf culture in their influential 1988 book Deaf in America: Voices from a Culture. The capital “D” distinguished those who were culturally deaf from those who were audiologically deaf. “The traditional way of writing about Deaf people is to focus on the fact of their condition — that they do not hear — and to interpret all other aspects of their lives as consequences of this fact,” Padden and Humphries wrote. “Our goal . . is to write about Deaf people in a new and different way. . . Thinking about the linguistic richness uncovered in [work on sign language] has made us realize that the language has developed through the generations as part of an equally rich cultural heritage. It is this heritage — the culture of Deaf people — that we want to begin to portray.”

this is true...

In this new way of thinking, deafness was not a disability but a difference. With new pride and confidence, and new respect for their own language, American Sign Language, the deaf community began to make itself heard. At Gallaudet University in 1988, students rose up to protest the appointment of a hearing president — and won. In 1990, the Americans with Disabilities Act ushered in new accommodations that made operating in the hearing world far easier. And technological revolutions like the spread of computers and the use of e-mail meant that a deaf person who once might have had to drive an hour to deliver a message to a friend in person (not knowing before setting out if the friend was even home), could now send that message in seconds from a keyboard.

this is also true but ada also was a trojan horse..

The Deaf view was that late-deafened adults were old enough to understand their choice, had not grown up in Deaf culture, and already had spoken language. Young children who had been born deaf were different. The assumption was that cochlear implants would remove children from the Deaf world, thereby threatening the survival of that world.

now we have misleads, and slight of hands....on the author's part..

this is not an assumption we have seen and experienced what has occurred on a vast scale since pre lingual implantation has begun, , we have it documented, in allot of works, i have also cited a number of them on this board, plenty more.

That led to complaints about “genocide” and the eradication of a minority group.

again dismissals, now "genocide" is in quotes, the proper term though is ethnocide.
not just complaints leading academics such as harlan lane who sits on the academie francaise also told the truth of it. he is hearie, and his work the mask of benevolence is a must read even for CI cultists..enjoy further and more important ourselves, we objected we resisted we were stream rolled.

The Deaf community felt ignored by the medical and scientific supporters of cochlear implants;

the above is classic propaganda..look close...
if only they would of ignored us, damn....instead no we felt and feel violated, we weren't just ignored, after we made known our opposition we were steamrolled...big difference.

the use of medical and scientific are here on purpose, misleading, its the medical-pedagogo, establishment, the combined system, the "science" supporters actually what ever she means by this were and are heavy stake holder in the very companies who implant.

many believed deaf children should have the opportunity to make the choice for themselves once they were old enough; still others felt the implant should be outlawed entirely. Tellingly, the ASL sign developed for “cochlear implant” was two fingers stabbed into the neck, vampire-style

again bald face LIE
not many that is majority of Deaf,!! that's still a sign we use for it, others are around but that's one sign yes.

By the time Alex was born, children were succeeding in developing language with cochlear implants in ever greater numbers

THIS IS UTTER RBULLSHIT!
the fact is sign could've been always acquired there is no "a" in her sentence which would be a fact, instead it implies spoken language is language when in FACT its only one mode of language NOT language, the stars succeed for a variety of reasons, CI isnt the primary one..

I never wanted us not to be able to communicate. Even if Alex might never need ASL, he might like to know it. And he might someday feel a need to know more deaf people. In the beginning, we had said that Alex would learn ASL, as a second language. And we’d meant it

as good propaganda does now she again sets a misleading tone of impartiality and objectivity...yet the language again is telling alex needed sign language from the day he was born, as every deaf baby does!! NOT might someday!!!!
alex is caught in the snares of the oralist assimilation grind machine...thus socializing with Deaf in his mothers words maybe be someday...that means not today...


so so so so much more levels of good stuff here...

when i return.

 

[hoichi]

Time magazine
http://time.com/76154/deaf-culture-cochlear-implants/

what are your thoughts on the article?

 

[Jane B.]

well anyway the first chapter in the author's book is titled "broken" this is an audiological construct of phonocentric colonialism. and audism. plain and simple.


great interview so this gentleman claims to be a philosopher and big thinker thus
he would have no plms at all if we deconstruct his utterances to the end of getting a closer look inside this big thinker and philosopher itinerant. to bad this entire interview he stated very little of his philosopher, big thoughts or anything, but he did leave a few tidbits.

I feel that a good bit of what was and wasn't in the interview was because of what the interviewer(s) ask or didn't ask.

 

[C-NICE]

what are your thoughts on the article?

My thoughts are 1. The mother is not a creep! 2. It was just a loving mother trying her best. 3. Not matter what she did would not be approved by those who draw a line in the sand and disparage her for not abiding by their mode of thought.