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Steinhauer said:
Actually, there were wackaloons running around killing children way back then too. But, I can't hold it against you since you haven't got an inkling as to what you are talking about.

But I agree with you on the liability issue. I think every gun control advocate should be made to pay for when children are killed in gun free zones. You were the ones responsible for leaving them defenseless. Heck, I would make it a felony even and put you all in jail.
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Can you provide some evidence of the mass shootings at schools back then? I'd be interested in seeing when and where they happened.
 
Reba said:
You're assuming that everyone in the Army would stay in that Army.

Have you forgotten the late unpleasantness of 1861-65?
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I have no idea what your talking about. If its about the civil war than yes, a lot of people ended up dead in a ditch at the end of the day.
 
Jiro said:
I don't follow. I don't know what you are talking about.
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I read the laws regarding gun ownership for the various countries that you said allowed semi and automatic weapons and all have restrictions regarding children owning and shooting guns. It's not hard to find even you can find it.
 
seb said:
I read the laws regarding gun ownership for the various countries that you said allowed semi and automatic weapons and all have restrictions regarding children owning and shooting guns. It's not hard to find even you can find it.
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what? huh? I am absolutely confused. aren't my Post #414 and #416 clear enough for you?
 
A couple of months ago, Swiss native talked about how to get a gun in Switzerland. He owns plenty of guns. He said that many gun shops in Switzerland sell everything from pistols, AKs, and AR 15 rifles. You can buy many ammo privately as you want at any gun shop in Switzerland with a basic background check and ID. In fact, you can order it by mail. There is no license to get ammo at all. Full auto rifles are not banned at all. You just need to apply for a special permit that allow you to buy any full auto gun and heavy machine guns.

Swiss guy also said that there are NO psych tests, no training is required and the permit to get a semi-auto gun. They won't give you permit unless you have a criminal background.

You can give permission to the police to check your full auto weapon once a year to make sure you store auto weapon properly if you own full auto weapon.

Let me show you the link- Swiss store. Check those prices. If you want to buy Automat AK 47 Bulgarien. It costs over $1,000. It's very cheap.
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Germany didn't invade Switzerland because everyone carried gun. It's NOT true. It's silly assumption. Switzerland laundered German blood money. That's what kept Switzerland safe.

That's all I can say for now.
 
Barbaro said:
A couple of months ago, Swiss native talked about how to get a gun in Switzerland. He owns plenty of guns. He said that many gun shops in Switzerland sell everything from pistols, AKs, and AR 15 rifles. You can buy many ammo privately as you want at any gun shop in Switzerland with a basic background check and ID. In fact, you can order it by mail. There is no license to get ammo at all. Full auto rifles are not banned at all. You just need to apply for a special permit that allow you to buy any full auto gun and heavy machine guns.

Swiss guy also said that there are NO psych tests, no training is required and the permit to get a semi-auto gun. They won't give you permit unless you have a criminal background.

You can give permission to the police to check your full auto weapon once a year to make sure you store auto weapon properly if you own full auto weapon.

Let me show you the link- Swiss store. Check those prices. If you want to buy Automat AK 47 Bulgarien. It costs over $1,000. It's very cheap.
Automaten

Germany didn't invade Switzerland because everyone carried gun. It's NOT true. It's silly assumption. Switzerland laundered German blood money. That's what kept Switzerland safe.

That's all I can say for now.
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"They won't give you permit unless you have a criminal background."
you have a criminal background to get a gun ??
 
whatdidyousay! said:
"They won't give you permit unless you have a criminal background."
you have a criminal background to get a gun ??
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lol I'm sure it's a mistype.

"They won't give you permit if you have a criminal background"
 
Jiro said:
lol I'm sure it's a mistype.

"They won't give you permit if you have a criminal background"
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I know you can't have a criminal background , but this sure got my attention fast. I agree the OP had to left some words out.
 
My apologizes. Jiro is correct. Dang my fast fingers. Remind me to never cook a dinner while typing at the same time.
 
seb said:
How about one or more that was done by anyone other than indians with tomahawks. We are talking about gun violence not bows and arrows
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1800s
• November 2, 1853 Louisville, Kentucky A student, Matthew Ward, bought a self-cocking pistol in the morning, went to school and killed Schoolmaster Mr. Butler for excessively punishing his brother the day before. Even though he shot the Schoolmaster point blank in front of his classmates, he was acquitted.

An April 30, 1866 editorial in the New York Times argued against students carrying pistols, citing "...pistols being dropped on the floor at balls or being exploded in very inconvenient ways. A boy of 12 has his pantaloons made with a pistol pocket; and this at a boarding-school filled with boys, who, we suppose, do or wish to do the same thing. We would advise parents to look into it, and learn whether shooting is to be a part of the scholastic course which may be practiced on their boys; or else we advise them to see that their own boys are properly armed with the most approved and deadly-pistol, and that there may be an equal chance at least of their shooting as of being shot."

• June 8, 1867 New York City At Public School No. 18, a 13 year old lad brought a pistol loaded and capped, without the knowledge of his parents or school-teachers, and shot and injured a fellow classmate.

• December 22, 1868 Chattanooga, Tennessee A boy who refused to be whipped and left school, returned with his brother and a friend, the next day to seek revenge on his teacher. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle rang out, leaving three dead. Only the brother survived.

• March 9, 1873 Salisbury, Maryland After school as Miss Shockley was walking with four small children, she was approached by a Mr. Hall and shot. The Schoolmaster ran out, but she was dead instantly. Hall threw himself under a train that night.

• May 24, 1879 Lancaster, New York As the carriage loaded with female students was pulling out of the school's stables, Frank Shugart a telegraph operator shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, Superintendent of the stables.

• March 6, 1884 Boston, Massachusetts As news of Jesse James reached the east coast, young kids started to act in the same manner. An article from the New York Times reads, "Another "Jesse James" Gang - "Word was brought to the Fifth Police Station to-night that a number of boys were using the Concord-street School-house for some unknown purpose, and a posse of officers was sent to investigate. The gang scattered at the approach of the police, and in their flight on drew a revolver and fired at Officer Rowan, without effect, however. William Nangle, age 14, and Sidney Duncan, age 12, were captured, but the other five or six escaped, among them the one who who did the shooting. The boys refused to disclose the object of their meeting, but it is thought that another "Jesse James" organization has been broken up."

• March 15, 1884 Gainsville, Georgia In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers left the Jug Tavern drinking and shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled the schoolyard into the school where the gang followed swearing and shooting, firing several rounds into the front door. No one was hurt.

• July 4, 1886 Charleston, South Carolina During Sunday school, Emma Connelly shot and killed John Steedley for "circulating slanderous reports" about her, even though her brother publicly whipped him a few days earlier.

• April 12, 1887 Watertown, New York Edwin Bush, a student a the Potsdam Normal School committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.

• June 12, 1887 Cleveland, Tennessee Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.

• June 13, 1889 New Brunswick, New Jersey Charles Crawford upset over an argument with a school Trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.

The first known mass shooting in the U.S. where students were shot, was on April 9, 1891, when 70 year old, James Foster fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, Newburgh, New York, causing minor injuries to several of the students. The majority of attacks during this time period by students on other students or teacher, usually involved stabbing with knives, or hitting with stones.
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History of School Shootings in the United States | K12 Academics
 
Reba said:
You proved my point. You don't have a logical definition for "gun nut." You just like to make cheap shots.
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I thought it was plain enough but if you want a definition of a gun nut I'll give it to you. Gun nut: someone who takes a keen interest in guns and ammunition and associates with people with like interests, I think Jiro fits the bill! So if he want's to see what a gun nut looks like he only needs to look in a mirror.
 
Barbaro said:
My apologizes. Jiro is correct. Dang my fast fingers. Remind me to never cook a dinner while typing at the same time.
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That is OK , I knew what you meant and thought it a mistake , it funny too. How did your dinner come out ?
 
seb said:
How about one or more that was done by anyone other than indians with tomahawks. We are talking about gun violence not bows and arrows
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I see. seems every time your argument is invalidated you move the goal posts. I seem to recall saying there were wackaloons back then that killed children too.

Would explosives count? Or does it specifically have to involve firearms?
 
seb said:
I thought it was plain enough but if you want a definition of a gun nut I'll give it to you. Gun nut: someone who takes a keen interest in guns and ammunition and associates with people with like interests, I think Jiro fits the bill! So if he want's to see what a gun nut looks like he only needs to look in a mirror.
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so is "gun nut" a good or bad thing?
 
seb said:
I thought it was plain enough but if you want a definition of a gun nut I'll give it to you. Gun nut: someone who takes a keen interest in guns and ammunition and associates with people with like interests, I think Jiro fits the bill! So if he want's to see what a gun nut looks like he only needs to look in a mirror.
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HUH?? The only nut I am seeing is you. People do this all the time they hang out with people that have the same interest . So if someone like cars are they a car nut too ?
 
Steinhauer said:
I see. seems every time your argument is invalidated you move the goal posts. I seem to recall saying there were wackaloons back then that killed children too.

Would explosives count? Or does it specifically have to involve firearms?
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No, I asked you for examples of massacres at schools using firearms back then to back up your claim that they happened and you come up with an attack on a school by indians using tomahawks and knives. I just want some evidence that gun violence happened "all the time" as you stated at schools back in the 1700's and 1800's. Actual GUN VIOLENCE, NOT TOMAHAWKS! Since 1992, there have been 387 school shootings which has resulted in 590 deaths, I would be willing to bet that that far outpaces those in the time of the flintlock era.
 
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