Girl accidentally kills firing range instructor

[Steinhauer]

I doubt it.

Yep ... they would even allow SLAP rounds for us lowly civvies too ...

 

[seb]

I doubt it.

What happened to the Quote? I think they would but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What government would want their citizens armed with semi automatic or automatic weapons?

 

[Steinhauer]

What happened to the Quote? I think they would but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What government would want their citizens armed with semi automatic or automatic weapons?

Any Government not in fear of a free people.

The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American … the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people. - Tenche Cox, 1788

That pretty much sums up what the 2nd Amendment was all about - the militia .... are we the people and, we the people have the birthright to have every terrible implement of the soldier.

he later wrote:

An armed man is a citizen. A man without arms is a subject.

 

[Steinhauer]

It doesn't get any clearer than this:

 

[Jiro]

What happened to the Quote? I think they would but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What government would want their citizens armed with semi automatic or automatic weapons?

Israel. Switzerland. Austria. South Africa. and.... USA

you know what these countries have in common? everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

 

[a l i v e]

Israel. Switzerland. Austria. South Africa. and.... USA

you know what these countries have in common? everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

Switzerland is a bit of a stretch. They have their own militia, but they don't bring guns home.

 

[Tousi]

Curious - think we would win a war against our own government? With our so called militia.

Well, maybe time's running out for us, thanks to people like you, eh?

 

[seb]

Any Government not in fear of a free people.



That pretty much sums up what the 2nd Amendment was all about - the militia .... are we the people and, we the people have the birthright to have every terrible implement of the soldier.

he later wrote:

Big difference between then and now is then you had people hunting for their food and using the gun/rifle for protection that if you were good could shoot maybe twice a minute. The big difference between then and now was you didn't have wackaloons running around with semi automatic weapons going into a schools and movie theaters killing numerous children, if you did the founding fathers probably would of worded the 2nd amendment differently.

As I said previously, if you legal gun is used to kill or maim others even if it is stolen the owner should be held liable because with gun ownership comes great responsibility!

 

[seb]

It doesn't get any clearer than this:

Do you really think that owning a gun is going to keep you from being lined up to a ditch and shot? You might not be lined up next to it, but by the end of the day you would be in it with the others. An army has a lot more firepower than you do.

 

[Jiro]

Do you really think that owning a gun is going to keep you from being lined up to a ditch and shot? You might not be lined up next to it, but by the end of the day you would be in it with the others. and there are a lot more manpower than army does.

so we should just give up?

 

[Jiro]

Big difference between then and now is then you had people hunting for their food and using the gun/rifle for protection that if you were good could shoot maybe twice a minute. The big difference between then and now was you didn't have wackaloons running around with semi automatic weapons going into a schools and movie theaters killing numerous children, if you did the founding fathers probably would of worded the 2nd amendment differently.

As I said previously, if you legal gun is used to kill or maim others even if it is stolen the owner should be held liable because with gun ownership comes great responsibility!

the founding fathers would say - "ya'all should have gotten guns so that you could stop the lunatics"

in both cases - Sandy Hook shooting and Aurora Shooting - nobody was armed.... and those states are gun-friendly.

 

[Jiro]

Switzerland is a bit of a stretch. They have their own militia, but they don't bring guns home.

yes they do.

 

[seb]

Israel. Switzerland. Austria. South Africa. and.... USA

you know what these countries have in common? everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

You better check up on Austria, Israel, South Africa and Switzerland, I think your information is not correct or out of date.

Switzerland allows service members to keep their service weapons but does not allow them to have ammunition for them, so they have in affect a baseball bat.
They also have some of the most restrictive gun ownership laws in Europe.

Israel allows soldiers to keep their weapons while on active duty. Other citizens must pass a safety course, have no history of mental illness, or a criminal record, be of good health, and be a resident for 3 consecutive years. Finally they have to be a certain age: 20 for women who completed military service, 21 for men who have done the same. 27 for those with no military service and 45 for residents of Jerusalem. They may also only own one handgun and up to two rifles.

Austria: You can only own semi automatic weapons with special permission and all other guns have strict regulations and you must be 18 or older to own a firearm. Exceptions to the gun laws in Austria are flintlocks and matchlocks which aren't regulated.

South Africa: Must pass a competency test, background check, you home has to be inspected, and then you will get a permit. Guns permitted are handguns, shotguns and rifles that are not fully automatic or able to be converted to automatic status.

 

[Jiro]

You better check up on Austria, Israel, South Africa and Switzerland, I think your information is not correct or out of date.

Switzerland allows service members to keep their service weapons but does not allow them to have ammunition for them, so they have in affect a baseball bat.
They also have some of the most restrictive gun ownership laws in Europe.

Israel allows soldiers to keep their weapons while on active duty. Other citizens must pass a safety course, have no history of mental illness, or a criminal record, be of good health, and be a resident for 3 consecutive years. Finally they have to be a certain age: 20 for women who completed military service, 21 for men who have done the same. 27 for those with no military service and 45 for residents of Jerusalem. They may also only own one handgun and up to two rifles.

Austria: You can only own semi automatic weapons with special permission and all other guns have strict regulations and you must be 18 or older to own a firearm. Exceptions to the gun laws in Austria are flintlocks and matchlocks which aren't regulated.

South Africa: Must pass a competency test, background check, you home has to be inspected, and then you will get a permit. Guns permitted are handguns, shotguns and rifles that are not fully automatic or able to be converted to automatic status.

thank you for proving me right that these governments do allow citizens to have guns

United States: you can only own semi automatic weapons. you must be 21 years old or older to buy handgun and 18 yrs or older to buy shotgun/rifle. you must pass a background check. fully-automatic weapons are banned. you must pass test and background check for CCW permit.

 

[seb]

thank you for proving me right that these governments do allow citizens to have guns

United States: you can only own semi automatic weapons. you must be 21 years old or older to buy a firearm. you must pass a background check. fully-automatic weapons are banned. you must pass test and background check for CCW permit.

These four countries allow you to own guns, but unless your in the military you aren't going to have an automatic one and they have severe restrictions on semi automatic weapons or do not allow them. However, none allow a child to own or shoot a firearm.

 

[Jiro]

These four countries allow you to own guns, but unless your in the military you aren't going to have an automatic one and they have severe restrictions on semi automatic weapons or do not allow them.

they do allow it and we don't in here.

However, none allow a child to own or shoot a firearm.

Switzerland

Israel

and I'm sure you get the point now....

 

[seb]

they do allow it and we don't in here.



Switzerland

Israel

and I'm sure you get the point now....

Legally the government does not allow it, if they chose to break the law, so be it. "You don't have to be crazy but it helps."

 

[Steinhauer]

Big difference between then and now is then you had people hunting for their food and using the gun/rifle for protection that if you were good could shoot maybe twice a minute. The big difference between then and now was you didn't have wackaloons running around with semi automatic weapons going into a schools and movie theaters killing numerous children, if you did the founding fathers probably would of worded the 2nd amendment differently.

As I said previously, if you legal gun is used to kill or maim others even if it is stolen the owner should be held liable because with gun ownership comes great responsibility!

Actually, there were wackaloons running around killing children way back then too. But, I can't hold it against you since you haven't got an inkling as to what you are talking about.

But I agree with you on the liability issue. I think every gun control advocate should be made to pay for when children are killed in gun free zones. You were the ones responsible for leaving them defenseless. Heck, I would make it a felony even and put you all in jail.

 

[Reba]

Do you really think that owning a gun is going to keep you from being lined up to a ditch and shot? You might not be lined up next to it, but by the end of the day you would be in it with the others. An army has a lot more firepower than you do.

You're assuming that everyone in the Army would stay in that Army.

Have you forgotten the late unpleasantness of 1861-65?

 

[Jiro]

Legally the government does not allow it, if they chose to break the law, so be it. "You don't have to be crazy but it helps."

I don't follow. I don't know what you are talking about.