Girl accidentally kills firing range instructor

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seb said:
Forget the we need more information a 7 or 9 year old shooting guns is too young. This isn't the American frontier of the 1800's, we don't have to kill our food anymore, and the chance of a child being hurt or killed with a firearm is greater than being hurt or killed by an intruder.
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Are you completely vegan? Or, maybe, when you eat beef, its still mooing?

Geez, everyone knows that guns are for the pending zombie apocalypse . .
 
a l i v e said:
Nice circular logic you're using there. However I wonder how many of your crowd would support using that.
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Well, I am sure the number is a LOT higher than the number of children who were shot accidentally, or accidentally shot someone in the last .....oh, lets make it a nice round number ... 20 years.
 
if there are no guns in america there will be hanging and stabbing and even more I ain't gonna say more cuz I can say even worse things but welcome to america.. we are stuck wtih guns but I wud love to see the ban for kids not to touch or go near shooting range til they are 18... not 6 or 9 years old at all.. :ugh:
 
Steinhauer said:
Well, I am sure the number is a LOT higher than the number of children who were shot accidentally, or accidentally shot someone in the last .....oh, lets make it a nice round number ... 20 years.
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In other words you're fine with children getting maimed on the range so you can have your gun rights?
 
I think it depends on the child. Some kids express an interest in shooting, others do not.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching a child about firearm safety. (and of course, part of "firearm safety" is recognizing whether or not a 9 year old can shoot a full auto Uzi correctly and safely).

Of course, I didn't mention the child soldiers who carry around full autos that are much younger .. like the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8R7ls2_nk
 
Steinhauer said:
I think it depends on the child. Some kids express an interest in shooting, others do not.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching a child about firearm safety. (and of course, part of "firearm safety" is recognizing whether or not a 9 year old can shoot a full auto Uzi correctly and safely).

Of course, I didn't mention the child soldiers who carry around full autos that are much younger .. like the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8R7ls2_nk
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Just curious, there's "absolutely nothing wrong" with children carrying full autos in the "Lord's Resistance Army"?
 
a l i v e said:
In other words you're fine with children getting maimed on the range so you can have your gun rights?
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absolutely. A lot more people were killed defending the 2nd amendment. You can't just deny everyone that right because someone was stupid with theirs.

Are you ok with your right to drive?
 
a l i v e said:
Just curious, there's "absolutely nothing wrong" with children carrying full autos in the "Lord's Resistance Army"?
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Oh, there is a LOT wrong with forcing children to become soldiers.
 
Steinhauer said:
I think it depends on the child. Some kids express an interest in shooting, others do not.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching a child about firearm safety. (and of course, part of "firearm safety" is recognizing whether or not a 9 year old can shoot a full auto Uzi correctly and safely).

Of course, I didn't mention the child soldiers who carry around full autos that are much younger .. like the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ8R7ls2_nk
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Talking about circular logic, how many of those children do you think want to be fighting in Uganda? They probably would prefer to do what most kids do at the age they are and that is play with other kids not kill other human beings.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Maybe you do not have any needs to hunt for your food but that does not
mean other people should not be allowed to. We have to hunt the deer in my city each year b/c man had killed off their natural predators. We have a bird sanctuary and deer live there too and they need be thinned out so there will be enough food for the deer to survive . We have deer coming into my back yard looking for food . Some people do not like eating man raise meat b/ci it has too hormone etc.
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I know there are people who enjoy hunting and I didn't mean you can't hunt, I just think a 9 year old out hunting or shooting an uzi is too young. However, if you never hunted in your life or stopped hunting today, you could still go to the grocery store and buy beef, pork, etc. YOU WON'T GO HUNGRY!
 
Reba said:
"Forget the we need more information . . ."

Are you saying that we should make judgments without having the facts? That certainly isn't wise.

"This isn't the American frontier of the 1800's, we don't have to kill our food anymore . . . "

So? How is that relevant to anything? You do understand that 2nd Amendment rights have nothing to do with a need for killing for food, right?

"the chance of a child being hurt or killed with a firearm is greater than being hurt or killed by an intruder . . ."

What is your factual basis for that statement? Are you including firearm injuries produced by the intruders?

I fail to see any logic here.
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The fact that a 7 year old was shot backs up my claim that children should not be shooting guns.

Just throwing that out there for the gun nuts that use that as a reason that they should be able to own any gun they see fit.

I've read the second amendment and I don't remember them mentioning uzi's. or semi automatic weapons.

How many kids were killed last year by firearms? I don't even have to look that one up to know it's higher than those that were killed by someone breaking into their house. Not even close!
 
seb said:
Talking about circular logic, how many of those children do you think want to be fighting in Uganda? They probably would prefer to do what most kids do at the age they are and that is play with other kids not kill other human beings.
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Did those 6 and 7 year olds accidentally kill their firearm instructors?
 
seb said:
The fact that a 7 year old was shot backs up my claim that children should not be shooting guns.

Just throwing that out there for the gun nuts that use that as a reason that they should be able to own any gun they see fit.

I've read the second amendment and I don't remember them mentioning uzi's. or semi automatic weapons.

How many kids were killed last year by firearms? I don't even have to look that one up to know it's higher than those that were killed by someone breaking into their house. Not even close!
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I read the first amendment and I don't think I ever saw anything in it about the printing press, typewriters, newspapers, video cameras, microphones, internet, web chat forums or iPhones.
 
I believe that kids should practice the shooting with rubber bullet, not live bullet.
 
a l i v e said:
A child recently did. Not sure how many others that did not make the news.
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You mean a 5 year old Ugandan child forced to be a soldier just accidentally shot their firearms instructor? really?
 
seb said:
The fact that a 7 year old was shot backs up my claim that children should not be shooting guns.
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the fact that a boy shot an intruder backs up my claim that it's ok to teach children firearms - entirely up to parents.

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it's a fact that normal American family do teach their children in firearm safety, laws, danger and the consequences of using firearm on a person. you seem to think nobody is taught with that.

seb said:
Just throwing that out there for the gun nuts that use that as a reason that they should be able to own any gun they see fit.

I've read the second amendment and I don't remember them mentioning uzi's. or semi automatic weapons.

How many kids were killed last year by firearms? I don't even have to look that one up to know it's higher than those that were killed by someone breaking into their house. Not even close!
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cheapass. how many kids were killed by their own parents? how many kids were killed by cars?
 
seb said:
I know there are people who enjoy hunting and I didn't mean you can't hunt, I just think a 9 year old out hunting or shooting an uzi is too young. However, if you never hunted in your life or stopped hunting today, you could still go to the grocery store and buy beef, pork, etc. YOU WON'T GO HUNGRY!
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do you realize that only few states actually go out to grocery to buy meat? that "few" states are the one with major cities - disillusioned and disconnected from the reality. the saddest part? they throw away such wasteful amount of food. what a tragedy.

many states hunt to eat and make their own stuff... and many states defend themselves because 911 would take over 30 minutes to get to you.
 
seb said:
Talking about circular logic, how many of those children do you think want to be fighting in Uganda? They probably would prefer to do what most kids do at the age they are and that is play with other kids not kill other human beings.
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you missed the point.

those children in Uganda were able to handle automatic weapons just fine.
 
The entire issue these progressive liberals are bringing up isn't about guns. It is about parental discretionary rights. Think about it ... as a parent, do you have the right to train your child in Tae Kwon Do, or any other form of physical self defense?

Do you have the right to train your child to hunt or fish?

What if, instead of a 9 year old accidentally shooting a gun range instructor, the accident was a drowning while on a boat that capsized while on a fishing trip?

Ban children from boats? Do you think that a child's parents should have the right to allow their children to ride dirt bikes, mini bikes? Have go-carts?

Do parents have the right to take their children to church and instruct them in biblical theological principles? even if the church speaks out against same sex marriage?

Progressive Liberals (enemies of freedom) will say .. absolutely not! For them, safety is more important than individual liberty - when in the end game, they will get neither. They want everything they like to be legal, and anything they do not like to be banned.
 
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