Gay marriage, Obama and the fierce urgency of now: Why did he do it this week?

[Foxrac]

Funny how anytime the Palin's say something, the liberals assault them.

Who cares about Palin? She's crook and bullshit.

 

[Steinhauer]

As I said, I think the Liberals make fun of the Palins to get a rise from the Conservatives. And it works. Every. Time. Like litmus paper.

And the more we talk about this, the less the voting public talks about the economy (which is the real election issue).

I, for one, am very glad Obama took this stance. It only means he will not get re-elected.

 

[Foxrac]

And the more we talk about this, the less the voting public talks about the economy (which is the real election issue).

I, for one, am very glad Obama took this stance. It only means he will not get re-elected.

That's your wish.

Obama support on gay marriage isn't going affect his reelection, however economy is one of most important. Majority of Americans support gay marriages today.

 

[Steinhauer]

That's your wish.

Obama support on gay marriage isn't going affect his reelection, however economy is one of most important. Majority of Americans support gay marriages today.

We have discussed the whole issue of gay marriage in other threads. Let me ask you a couple of questions that maybe you haven't considered before:

1. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a blind person their right to drive, and obtain a driver's license?

2. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a person whom is mentally challenged - their right to obtain an extremely highly functional and dangerous job?

3. Suppose you have a brain tumor and require surgery. Would you allow a highly educated brain surgeon whom has Parkinson's to perform surgery on you?

Keep in mind, each illustration I provided listed an individual with a physical limitation. This does not make them lesser of a person.

Is it hateful bigotry to deny them what others are allowed to do?

 

[saywhatkid]

We have discussed the whole issue of gay marriage in other threads. Let me ask you a couple of questions that maybe you haven't considered before:

1. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a blind person their right to drive, and obtain a driver's license?

2. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a person whom is mentally challenged - their right to obtain an extremely highly functional and dangerous job?

3. Suppose you have a brain tumor and require surgery. Would you allow a highly educated brain surgeon whom has Parkinson's to perform surgery on you?

Keep in mind, each illustration I provided listed an individual with a physical limitation. This does not make them lesser of a person.

Is it hateful bigotry to deny them what others are allowed to do?

What do any of these cases have to do with same sex marriages?

 

[Steinhauer]

What do any of these cases have to do with same sex marriages?

First, I was asking Foxrac. Second, after the questions have been answered truthfully and honestly, I will explain the correlation

 

[Foxrac]

We have discussed the whole issue of gay marriage in other threads. Let me ask you a couple of questions that maybe you haven't considered before:

1. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a blind person their right to drive, and obtain a driver's license?

2. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a person whom is mentally challenged - their right to obtain an extremely highly functional and dangerous job?

3. Suppose you have a brain tumor and require surgery. Would you allow a highly educated brain surgeon whom has Parkinson's to perform surgery on you?

Keep in mind, each illustration I provided listed an individual with a physical limitation. This does not make them lesser of a person.

Is it hateful bigotry to deny them what others are allowed to do?

What do questions have related to this thread?

I'm not going answer the questions to save embarrassment because I don't understand any of questions that you asked.

 

[Reba]

I would say the same thing about her mom. Funny how all the Conservatives are ready to assault anyone that makes a negative comment regarding any of the female Palins.

Huh?

 

[Jiro]

We have discussed the whole issue of gay marriage in other threads. Let me ask you a couple of questions that maybe you haven't considered before:

1. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a blind person their right to drive, and obtain a driver's license?

blind people were not denied of their rights to drive. it's because they could not pass a required vision test.

2. Is it an act of hateful bigotry to deny a person whom is mentally challenged - their right to obtain an extremely highly functional and dangerous job?

mentally-challenged people were not denied of employment based on their mental status. it's because they could not do what the job requires of them.

3. Suppose you have a brain tumor and require surgery. Would you allow a highly educated brain surgeon whom has Parkinson's to perform surgery on you?

a surgeon is not legally allowed to perform a surgery if impaired or disabled.

Keep in mind, each illustration I provided listed an individual with a physical limitation. This does not make them lesser of a person.

Is it hateful bigotry to deny them what others are allowed to do?

ah yes.... another usual case of nonsense with these usual illogical and convoluted questionings & examples of yours... I truly pity you.

Why don't I help you then to come up with relevant and pertinent examples?

Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to marriage that heterosexual people are allowed to have?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to adopt a child that heterosexual people are allowed to?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny women of equal rights to vote and driving that men were allowed to in the past?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny black people of equal rights to everything that white men were allowed to have in the past?

Perhaps you forgot this line from Declaration of Independence.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

 

[Steinhauer]

blind people were not denied of their rights to drive. it's because they could not pass a required vision test.

Therefore, they were denied.


mentally-challenged people were not denied of employment based on their mental status. it's because they could not do what the job requires of them.

Therefore, they were denied.


a surgeon is not legally allowed to perform a surgery if impaired or disabled.


Illegal, you don't say? An act of discrimination ... you shouldn't be so close minded and judgemental


ah yes.... another usual case of nonsense with these usual illogical and convoluted questionings & examples of yours... I truly pity you.


Save the pity for yourself.

Why don't I help you then to come up with relevant and pertinent examples?

Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to marriage that heterosexual people are allowed to have?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to adopt a child that heterosexual people are allowed to?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny women of equal rights to vote and driving that men were allowed to in the past?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny black people of equal rights to everything that white men were allowed to have in the past?

Perhaps you forgot this line from Declaration of Independence.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I am not talking about the past ... I am talking about the present. What is the present legal definition of marriage? Voted on and passed by the American people?

What was the definition of marriage in the 20th century BC? Before government intervention in marriage?

edit to add: Just a few observations - no finger pointing, just valid observations backed up by facts. When the left indoctrinates a political agenda, they call it "education". When the right educates using facts backed by historical proveable records, the left calls it hateful indoctrination.

When Mitt Romney changed his mind, the left called it "flip flopping"

When Obama changed his mind, the left called it "evolving".

 

[Foxrac]

blind people were not denied of their rights to drive. it's because they could not pass a required vision test.


mentally-challenged people were not denied of employment based on their mental status. it's because they could not do what the job requires of them.


a surgeon is not legally allowed to perform a surgery if impaired or disabled.


ah yes.... another usual case of nonsense with these usual illogical and convoluted questionings & examples of yours... I truly pity you.

Why don't I help you then to come up with relevant and pertinent examples?

Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to marriage that heterosexual people are allowed to have?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny gay people of equal rights to adopt a child that heterosexual people are allowed to?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny women of equal rights to vote and driving that men were allowed to in the past?
Is it a hateful bigotry to deny black people of equal rights to everything that white men were allowed to have in the past?

Perhaps you forgot this line from Declaration of Independence.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

for answer his unusual question since I don't understand his questions. I just see his questions as totally unrelated to this thread and I don't have experience about 2nd and 3rd questions.

Speaking about blind people, that's true but depends on person, some blind people could drive under special circumstance. There are new technology about driveless car allows blind people to do independently.

 

[Jiro]

Therefore, they were denied.

Therefore, they were denied.

nope. not quite the same thing.

failing a required test is not the same as being denied by government or employment when they do actually qualify. denying them of their rights based on race, sex, age, disability, national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is a hateful bigotry.

Illegal, you don't say? An act of discrimination ... you shouldn't be so close minded and judgemental

So that means you're saying DUI Law is illegal and discriminative?

Save the pity for yourself.

I'll pray for you.

I am not talking about the past ... I am talking about the present. What is the present legal definition of marriage? Voted on and passed by the American people?

What was the definition of marriage in the 20th century BC? Before government intervention in marriage?

Please do pray tell - what is it?

 

[Steinhauer]

for answer his unusual question since I don't understand his questions. I just see his questions as totally unrelated to this thread and I don't have experience about 2nd and 3rd questions.

Speaking about blind people, that's true but depends on person, some blind people could drive under special circumstance. There are new technology about driveless car allows blind people to do independently.

That is great news.

 

[Jiro]

edit to add: Just a few observations - no finger pointing, just valid observations backed up by facts. When the left indoctrinates a political agenda, they call it "education".

such as?

When the right educates using facts backed by historical proveable records, the left calls it hateful indoctrination.

and when the left educates using facts backed by historical, provable records... what do the right calls it as?

When Mitt Romney changed his mind, the left called it "flip flopping"

and what do the right calls it as?

When Obama changed his mind, the left called it "evolving".

and what do the right calls it as?

 

[Foxrac]

Gay Donor Pulls Support From Mitt Romney Over Gay Marriage, Asks For Money Back

An openly gay Mitt Romney donor has decided to pull his support for the presumptive GOP nominee and instead support President Obama's reelection bid, citing the former Massachusetts governor's opposition to same-sex marriage as a dealbreaker.

"I feel that I no longer wish to support your presidential campaign and ask you that you please return the maximum contribution that I gave to you last year," Bill White wrote in a letter to Romney, according to a report by CNN. "You have chosen to be on the wrong side of history and I do not support your run for president any longer."

White, a registered independent who runs a New York-based consulting firm, had given $2,500 to the Romney campaign.

White made his decision following Obama's announcement last week that he supports same-sex marriage. While he clarified to CNN that he does not agree with the president on fiscal issues, White said that Romney's speech during Liberty University's commencement on Saturday led him to believe that Romney would press for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage -- a position that White simply cannot support.

"I feel like [Romney has] declared war on my marriage," White said. "And I could just sit back and not say anything. Or I could do something about it. And I've chosen to do something about it."

During the Liberty commencement address, Romney reiterated his belief that marriage should be "between one man and one woman," despite an influential GOP pollster's warning that such a stance could prove to be politically risky as support for same-sex marriage grows.

Obama's campaign has sought to draw on that growing support by highlighting the "strong contrast" between the president and Romney. One day before Romney's speech, the Obama team's director of religious outreach, Rev. Derrick Harkins, said that Obama stands for "values like loving our neighbors, being our brother's and sister's keeper and dignity for all," a reference to the president's stance on same-sex marriage.

Gay Donor Pulls Support From Mitt Romney Over Gay Marriage, Asks For Money Back

 

[Foxrac]

I am not talking about the past ... I am talking about the present. What is the present legal definition of marriage? Voted on and passed by the American people?

What was the definition of marriage in the 20th century BC? Before government intervention in marriage?

edit to add: Just a few observations - no finger pointing, just valid observations backed up by facts. When the left indoctrinates a political agenda, they call it "education". When the right educates using facts backed by historical proveable records, the left calls it hateful indoctrination.

When Mitt Romney changed his mind, the left called it "flip flopping"

When Obama changed his mind, the left called it "evolving".

Republican Party platform has anti-gay rights since Democratic Party doesn't have anti-gay rights on their platform.

 

[kokonut]

Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed by The New York Times and CBS News since the announcement said they thought that Mr. Obama had made it “mostly for political reasons,” while 24 percent said it was “mostly because he thinks it is right.” Independents were more likely to attribute it to politics, with nearly half of Democrats agreeing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/u...riage-support-motivated-by-politics.html?_r=1
Interesting....

 

[Steinhauer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/u...riage-support-motivated-by-politics.html?_r=1
Interesting....

25% of former Obama voters are saying they are not going to vote for Obama again because of his recent flip flop.

He has alienated African American Christians (which were most of his supporters in 2008).

 

[Steinhauer]

Obama Gay Marriage Support Leaves Black Churches Conflicted

What did the bishop tell his congregation? He opposes gay marriage. It is not just a social issue, he said, but a religious one for those who follow the Bible. "The spiritual issue is ground in the word of God."

 

[Foxrac]

25% of former Obama voters are saying they are not going to vote for Obama again because of his recent flip flop.

He has alienated African American Christians (which were most of his supporters in 2008).

No, that's not what article was saying.

It doesn't mention about "former Obama voters".

The black voters are unchanged after Obama support gay marriage and they said that they are not going lose the votes for Obama to disagree on one issue, however they said there are many other reasons that they sticking with Obama.