Gay marriage, Obama and the fierce urgency of now: Why did he do it this week?

[Jiro]

Yes, lots of non religious people are married. That is because governing bodies began regulating religious rites of passage, marriage being the one they could profit the most from. After governing bodies regulated marriage, which is inherently religious, it became secular.

States have always regulated who, and who cannot, get married. Before governing bodies became involved, it was families who made that decision, with the blessing from the mosque, temple, church etc.

The pilgrims fled to the new world when King Henry the VIII decided he did not like what the chuirch had to say about marriage, and appointed himself head of the church and began oppressing the religious. He tried to redefine the principles of marriage too - much like Obama is trying to do.

you are either clueless or a liar

From my previous post,

Since Obama announced on Wednesday his shift on the issue in an interview with ABC News' Robin Roberts, his campaign has highlighted his position on gay rights while charging that Romney would further restrict rights for same-sex couples. Though Obama endorsed gay marriage, he told Roberts that the issue should be a matter for each state to decide on individually.

 

[Foxrac]

31 States have laws against same sex marriage - your poll means nothing.

Most state constitution banning on gay marriage passed when majority of Americans were oppose gay marriage from 1998 to 2010 so it is first time to see majority of Americans support gay marriage in 2011.

Everything change over years after constitution ban passed and it will take about 20 years for gay marriage to be widely recognized in southern states. Back in 1960's, there was less than 10% Americans supported gay marriage but has went up to little over 50%.

Jiro's article is good point about Americans are changing their stance about government, even marriage too.

 

[Foxrac]

This thread isn't about polls or even the GOP, it is about why Obama flip flopped on his own gay marriage stance.

I am sure you bufoons can't discuss Obama's flip flopping without blaming Republicans.

Obama wasn't flip flopped and he's just change his stance on gay marriage. It is uncommon for politicians to change their stance in anytime.

You do flip flopped and you don't have problem with gay marriage in two years ago but now, you change your view to oppose.

 

[Foxrac]

Seriously, using the poll numbers for America! As you well know, polls can word questions to get the respond THEY want. To be real serious, in the next presidential election, put the situation on a NATIONAL BALLOT and let the results be the end of this matter. Scared what the results will be? Then start a new thread.

Get a real man and why are you continuing to trolling.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes, lots of non religious people are married. That is because governing bodies began regulating religious rites of passage, marriage being the one they could profit the most from. After governing bodies regulated marriage, which is inherently religious, it became secular.

States have always regulated who, and who cannot, get married. Before governing bodies became involved, it was families who made that decision, with the blessing from the mosque, temple, church etc.

The pilgrims fled to the new world when King Henry the VIII decided he did not like what the chuirch had to say about marriage, and appointed himself head of the church and began oppressing the religious. He tried to redefine the principles of marriage too - much like Obama is trying to do.

The marriage today is modernized and not just like 1800's.

There are few people have private marriage, especially anti-government religious (like JW) and gay people.

 

[Steinhauer]

What father? He ain't around!

This thread isn't about Palin, it is about Obama. I realize you might be confused and just figured you needed a reminder.

But to reiterate my reply to your deliberate derailing tactic concerning the father of Palin's son, she would know far more than you currently could about the damaging effects of a fatherless childhood as she can see it in her own situation.

 

[Cowpuppy]

re-election politics is normal. it's all about keeping the other side out.

 

[saywhatkid]

But to reiterate my reply to your deliberate derailing tactic concerning the father of Palin's son, she would know far more than you currently could about the damaging effects of a fatherless childhood as she can see it in her own situation.

So she is an expert now? Ain't karma something? BTW, how would you know about Jiro's home life?

 

[saywhatkid]

This thread isn't about polls or even the GOP, it is about why Obama flip flopped on his own gay marriage stance.

I am sure you bufoons can't discuss Obama's flip flopping without blaming Republicans.

So we are buffoons now? Obama flipped, or changed his mind? Or both? He listened to all the various points and decided too cast his lot with same sex marriage? If Newt did this, would it be a sign of strength?

Never mind. Your absolute dislike of Liberals causes me great fear that you can carry a firearm.

 

[Jiro]

This thread isn't about Palin, it is about Obama. I realize you might be confused and just figured you needed a reminder.

But to reiterate my reply to your deliberate derailing tactic concerning the father of Palin's son, she would know far more than you currently could about the damaging effects of a fatherless childhood as she can see it in her own situation.

In case you're bit mixed up.... Bristol Palin criticized Obama's stance on gay marriage issue. and I'm showing you the hypocrisy which many of you and anti-gay people have.

if you're gonna criticize Obama's stance on gay marriage.... at least make sure your closet's tidy. the difference between you and me when it comes to "off-topic" is that you bring in stuff not directly or indirectly related to subject at all.

 

[Foxrac]

We know that southern states are strongest region that oppose to gay rights but at least, gay life is much better in southern states, even Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia than Russia, Iran, China and North Korea.

 

[Reba]

I find it humorous that anyone seriously considers what Bristol Palin opines. She's never held an elective office, and she has no academic credentials in any subject.

She does have life experience, which anyone can claim. In her experience, she has discovered first hand that trying to raise a child without a dad in the picture is very hard, and the child misses out by not having both parents. In that case, her opinion is as valid as any other unwed mom's opinion. No more, no less. She just happens to get more coverage of her opinions for whatever pop culture reason.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Poll Finds Republicans Must Evolve or Die on Gay Marriage

pretty color!

 

[Foxrac]

James Lankford, GOP Rep, Opposes Laws Against Gay Employee Discrimination

Freshman Rep. James Lankford (R-Okla.) told ThinkProgress in a recent interview that he was against laws designed to protect employees from workplace discrimination based on their sexual orientation, because of his belief that being gay is a "choice."

"Race and sexual preferences are two different things. One is a behavior-related and preference-related and one is something inherently -- skin color, something obvious, that kind of stuff. You don’t walk up to someone on the street and look at them and say, 'Gay or straight?'" Lankford said. "I think it’s a choice issue. Are tendencies and such? Yes. But I think it’s a choice issue."

President Barack Obama's recent endorsement of same-sex marriage rights spurred a legislative push on such safeguards last week. The Washington Post's Greg Sargent reported that a bipartisan group of senators renewed calls for hearings on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, a piece of legislation that would expand employee anti-discrimination language to include sexual orientation and gender identity.

Lankford isn't the only freshman Republican to express opposition to this type of bill. Last week, Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) said such protections were unnecessary because discrimination based on sexual orientation simply didn't happen.

"That don’t happen out here in the United States of America," he told ThinkProgress.

James Lankford, GOP Rep, Opposes Laws Against Gay Employee Discrimination

James Lankford doesn't know about gay communities and he should read a role about homosexuality that written by American Psychiatric Association. The homosexuality isn't choice, period.

 

[saywhatkid]

I find it humorous that anyone seriously considers what Bristol Palin opines. She's never held an elective office, and she has no academic credentials in any subject.

She does have life experience, which anyone can claim. In her experience, she has discovered first hand that trying to raise a child without a dad in the picture is very hard, and the child misses out by not having both parents. In that case, her opinion is as valid as any other unwed mom's opinion. No more, no less. She just happens to get more coverage of her opinions for whatever pop culture reason.

I would say the same thing about her mom. Funny how all the Conservatives are ready to assault anyone that makes a negative comment regarding any of the female Palins.

 

[Jiro]

Sarah Palin preaches about abstinence program. Uh-oh!
Bristol Palin preaches about kids doing better growing up in mommy-daddy home. Uh-oh!

I guess apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

 

[saywhatkid]

Sarah Palin preaches about abstinence program. Uh-oh!
Bristol Palin preaches about kids doing better growing up in mommy-daddy home. Uh-oh!

I guess apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

Thing is, I really don't care what the Palins say or do. Same with Kardashians and other celebs. I just enjoy watching people rush to their defense.

 

[Steinhauer]

I would say the same thing about her mom. Funny how all the Conservatives are ready to assault anyone that makes a negative comment regarding any of the female Palins.

Funny how anytime the Palin's say something, the liberals assault them.

 

[Steinhauer]

Sarah Palin preaches about abstinence program. Uh-oh!
Bristol Palin preaches about kids doing better growing up in mommy-daddy home. Uh-oh!

I guess apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

And Obama (which this thread is about) listens to his teenage girls when he writes national policy. I guess unlimited free cell phone use is in the works ...

Maybe he can sneak that in Obamacare ...

 

[saywhatkid]

Funny how anytime the Palin's say something, the liberals assault them.

As I said, I think the Liberals make fun of the Palins to get a rise from the Conservatives. And it works. Every. Time. Like litmus paper.