Gas Prices can go down even futher if Russia expands oil.

[MetroGuy03]

Then you should know that each small Southeastern community, "... isn't built together like typical towns you can find across the country." The Southeast is NOT the Northwest or even the Midwest.

Oh I know that. Anything is possible.

 

[MetroGuy03]

Are these heavy duty vans and trucks available in large numbers at affordable prices? Is alternative fuel easily available? Why do you support raising the gas prices so high that people who can't in the near future replace their vehicles suffer?

The people who can afford the big luxury gas guzzlers for cruising around can afford $16-gal. gas, so it won't change their habits. Of course, they can also hop in a plane (not flying on biofuel).

But the poor lower class schmucks are stuck.

Raising higher gas price would encourage people to rethink of their transportation and be creative with new fuel system.

Many low/middle class people still can use public transit system.

 

[MetroGuy03]

That's fine for the future. But what would be the point in increasing the price of gas to $16 now? That would only hurt low and middle class people.

What size solar panel would a full-size commercial van carrying a very heavy load down the interstate require?

What is the practical power source right now for semi-trucks?

What is the source of an electric power engine? Hydro? Nuclear? Coal?

Again, higher gas prices will encourage people to rethink and be creative with fuel to avoid oil.

As the technology continues improving, solar panel will get smaller and able to do more than anyone would think. For example, when solar panel concept were introduced a while ago. There was an inch x inch solar panel that can light up just one lamp. Strong enough. I would say about three feet x four feet solar panel would able to handle vehicle to go up to about 55mph but it might not go any faster than that.

Today electric cars only last at about two hours. I know it is not good enough for now but need to improve so electric vehicles can go hours.

Hydro is a water that mixed with gas and electric.

Nuclear? Are you kidding me?

Coal...Bad for environment.

 

[Hwy99]

Nope, that is not the problem, the problem is COST! If there is build mass transportation for every rural towns, that would equal to 10 cadillacs for every residents, is that justificable?

Seriously, there are small town about 20 miles southwest from me, has about 100 riders rides back and forth each day, and the bus company decide to cut that route, know why? It cost them 300,000 dollars each year to support that route, that is after the fare was collected! That is just for 4 round trips each day. So, that could mean each of these riders gets free $30,000 worth of car each year.

You have to THINK the long term cost, That is why no one wants to deal with this. You can't just focus on the energy itself, you need to focus on inital purchase, initial cost to build, long term maintenance cost, labor, management cost, etc, etc, etc. Where it is really generally very very very cheap for each of us in rural town to own their vehicles.

Yupp that is why I said that the rural area should have low price for gas and urban area should have expensive gas because the urban area do not have excuse to drive the car while they can ride on the city bus, light rail, or whatever.

 

[MetroGuy03]

In the winter time, the daylight grew shorter, how can solar be practical?

Problem is Metroguy don't understand enough, we have been there and there is negative effect from that.

Don't you know that corn plant that was suppose to produce gasohol in other word turning corn into alcohol, it produce only about 40% of energy on what oil can produce... guess what? that plant is now put on hold, reason? not enough corn and the cost of corn has skyrocket, so is the milk price had skyrocket.

We can NOT change anything overnight!

Maybe Metroguy didn't know that the first automobile was actually run purely on electricity! They failed back in 1890's

You need to fix that quote.

I do understand and I am speaking from my own research and old major. Also I travel a lot to see the differences on public transit system. Do not make any assuption without ask first.

Corn... That is Ethanol. Recently, I learn that Ethanol that many people once thought it is good for environment... Guess what? That is not true. It is worse than gas. 08/14/01: Ethanol wastes resources and is bad for the environment.

I already know that first automobile that Henry Ford invented ran on electricity. Remember this, electricity were invented at around same time. People were learning how to use electricity for different things. Today technology continues improving and one day electric vehicles will get better eventually.

Again, do not make any assumption here.

 

[Reba]

Raising higher gas price would encourage people to rethink of their transportation and be creative with new fuel system.

Many low/middle class people still can use public transit system.

Small business people can't. I can't. Hubby can't. We will just go broke.

 

[Reba]

Again, higher gas prices will encourage people to rethink and be creative with fuel to avoid oil.

As the technology continues improving, solar panel will get smaller and able to do more than anyone would think. For example, when solar panel concept were introduced a while ago. There was an inch x inch solar panel that can light up just one lamp. Strong enough. I would say about three feet x four feet solar panel would able to handle vehicle to go up to about 55mph but it might not go any faster than that.

Today electric cars only last at about two hours. I know it is not good enough for now but need to improve so electric vehicles can go hours.

Hydro is a water that mixed with gas and electric.

Nuclear? Are you kidding me?

Coal...Bad for environment.

I wonder how big a solar panel Hubby's van would need. He drives a 5,000 lb. van with about 2,000 "cargo", on the interstate at 65 mph, for many hours per day.

When I referred to coal, hydroelectric (water power plant), and nuclear, I was referring to the power source for recharging the electric batteries. I didn't mean sticking a nuclear generator under a car hood. :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Small business people can't. I can't. Hubby can't. We will just go broke.

Reba´s post
Thanks a lot. That will put me, Hubby, and my daughter out of work.

That will also put out of work many other small businesses.

And your post # 94
http://www.alldeaf.com/822423-post94.html

The small or big business owners get reduce gasoline/fuel thru type of special business licenses. Depend on how many % on different businesses. Apply for reduce gasoline/fuel vehicle then they check how many and how often you travel and deliver, etc.

 

[Wokamuka]

Gas Prices

By the way . . . you can be sure that they will increase prices for gas/oil after this Hurricane season.

Even if they didn't get hit, they'll increase it.

I already filled up my gas tank and two gas containters. ;-)

 

[Foxrac]

Yupp that is why I said that the rural area should have low price for gas and urban area should have expensive gas because the urban area do not have excuse to drive the car while they can ride on the city bus, light rail, or whatever.

Not all urban area does offers public transportation, some has bad public transportation.

Las Vegas and Tampa are one of them, that's bad.

One mexican guy got fired for being late at workplace, that's happen in Las Vegas because his bus was running so late then he decided not to bother then got car instead, plus some workplace wouldn't hire anyone who use public transportation.

 

[diehardbiker]

More and more companies are like that right now! They prefer hire somebody with realiable vehicle. Know why? They can call right way and have them come in at no time.

plus some workplace wouldn't hire anyone who use public transportation.

 

[Foxrac]

More and more companies are like that right now! They prefer hire somebody with realiable vehicle. Know why? They can call right way and have them come in at no time.

WTF? Where's source?

I know it's not from wal-mart.

 

[sequoias]

I'd have to say that's very, very stupid to require hiring people that have car. Not everyone can afford a car, period! What if someone who got a job for the first time and the only choice is to ride bus to work? Best choice is to take the earlier bus to prevent from being late to work, only if they have it.

 

[Reba]

...The small or big business owners get reduce gasoline/fuel thru type of special business licenses.

Not in the USA.

Apply for reduce gasoline/fuel vehicle then they check how many and how often you travel and deliver, etc.

Sorry, there is no such program in the USA. Every one pays the same at the pump. No breaks for businesses.

The only mitigation we get is claiming mileage or fuel expense on our itemized income taxes. We get a very small reduction in our taxes due.

 

[Foxrac]

I'd have to say that's very, very stupid to require hiring people that have car. Not everyone can afford a car, period! What if someone who got a job for the first time and the only choice is to ride bus to work? Best choice is to take the earlier bus to prevent from being late to work, only if they have it.

I'm concern that.

DHB is just anti-transit, or anti-public transportation, nothing is new.

He own jeep, that's poor gas economy.

 

[webexplorer]

The only mitigation we get is claiming mileage or fuel expense on our itemized income taxes. We get a very small reduction in our taxes due.

I have thought about tax write off for some business trips, but it is almost worthless. The different is that we buy massive supplies everyday, then that would be good tax write off on long business trips. Isn't that make sense?

 

[Reba]

I have thought about tax write off for some business trips, but it is almost worthless. The different is that we buy massive supplies everyday, then that would be good tax write off on long business trips. Isn't that make sense?

Tax "write off" is a misleading term. Various itemized business expenses reduce the tax burden but they don't remove it. There is an advantage to itemizing expenses and deductions but it's not as stupendous as people think, especially for small, independent business owners and contractors. Of course, a lot of it depends on a person's honesty in reporting, and willingness to accept the risk of an audit or challenge.

 

[diehardbiker]

You are right, this is misleading... Tax shelters are often confusing to general people. There are two different types of tax shelter.

Tax write off is much like kill that X amount of earning, thus reduce the taxable income. For example earning is $1,000.00 and the 10% tax would be $100.00, so if you decided to tax write off on $100.00, this would leave you $900.00 subject to tax, then you will have to pay $90.00 in taxes. It does not make sense to spend 100 dollars to save 10 dollars on taxes!

There is second type of tax shelter which is called Tax credit, that is HUGE different, Say there is tax credit if you contribute 1,000 dollars to IRA, 401k, etc, you get 50% tax credit, THAT is worth $500 dollars refund to you!

Hope this examples clear up confusion.

Tax "write off" is a misleading term. Various itemized business expenses reduce the tax burden but they don't remove it. There is an advantage to itemizing expenses and deductions but it's not as stupendous as people think, especially for small, independent business owners and contractors. Of course, a lot of it depends on a person's honesty in reporting, and willingness to accept the risk of an audit or challenge.

 

[Hwy99]

Not all urban area does offers public transportation, some has bad public transportation.

Las Vegas and Tampa are one of them, that's bad.

One mexican guy got fired for being late at workplace, that's happen in Las Vegas because his bus was running so late then he decided not to bother then got car instead, plus some workplace wouldn't hire anyone who use public transportation.

Yeah you are right, not all of urbans that have good public transportation system. My opinion, the price on gas for that situation can be varies depends on the public transportation. For example, if I live in Portland, and I have good transportation system, I can take it anywhere, but instead I would like to have a car, driving around in Portland. Now how would those people who live in rurals feel about me driving a car in Portland with good public transportation while they don't have good public transportation system and have to drive and paying expensive bills every month and work so hard on farms while I can work at a office, earn lot of money, drive a nice car, etc.? Those farmers and people who live in rurals will see me as terrible spoiled. Not only to those people living in rural area, but also to those people who live in Portland too, they will see me as egoism and selfish around the city.

Glad I don't need to drive a car or own any cars, the bus stop is just next block from my home and it lasts at 9 in the nighttime, and I can walk to the food store or resturants just 2 blocks away from my home. I don't need a car, but ratherly sharing with other people in the public transportation. Oh what's more, I can walk to the big mall just for 20 minutes from my home. I am happy without car. If I live in rural or any place that don't have good transportation system, then I would get a car.

I'd have to say that's very, very stupid to require hiring people that have car. Not everyone can afford a car, period! What if someone who got a job for the first time and the only choice is to ride bus to work? Best choice is to take the earlier bus to prevent from being late to work, only if they have it.

Exactly! I am with you on this one!

 

[MetroGuy03]

WTF? Where's source?

I know it's not from wal-mart.

I know it is not from Microsoft, Starbucks, Google, Yahoo!, Amazon.com, UPS, Washington Mutual, Eddie Bauser, T-Mobile, IKON, RealPlayer, Target, Best Buy, IKEA, and many corportions to add on...