Gas Prices can go down even futher if Russia expands oil.

Pacman said:
Remember, oil wouldn't live for long time, that would be problem with supplies of oil, if we are run out of oil then we will be screw up, when alternative fuel isn't invent so earlier, I had seen about denied in other years. OPEC and middle eastern countries have rights to refuse to delivery an barrel of oil for some reason, that never know if happen.
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I'm not opposed to researching new fuels and more efficient engines. I'm opposed to artificial price increases.


If you don't care about other methods then high gas prices are for you, that life like other countries, gas price are cost more than us, plus if you do care then that's good. For me, I hate to spend too much on gas, no offense and can't wait to get other methods of fuel.
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I never said that I don't care. I try not to be wasteful of my fuel use. I don't enjoy driving long commutes, and I do as much as possible to plan all my trips so I can do errands on the way home after jobs. I take care of a lot of shopping and personal business on line instead of driving around.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
Hahaha La Pine isn't that huge city for its size. La Pine is spreaded out town. It isn't built together like typical towns you can find across the country.
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You obviously haven't experienced the poor rural South of dirt roads, tin roof shacks, and outdoor plumbing.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
We have to change ours bad habit for being dependable on oils. It won't be effected if we rethink about ours transportation and futures.
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Explain to me exactly how small businesses are supposed to transport their goods and provide their services on public transportation.
 
Reba said:
Explain to me exactly how small businesses are supposed to transport their goods and provide their services on public transportation.
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You misunderstood my posts. It was for people who use cars just get around. Any business with service should use different fuel system than depending on oil all the time.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
I have. I lived in a several small towns in the past. Nice trying though.
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Then you should know that each small Southeastern community, "... isn't built together like typical towns you can find across the country." The Southeast is NOT the Northwest or even the Midwest.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
You misunderstood my posts. It was for people who use cars just get around. Any business with service should use different fuel system than depending on oil all the time.
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Are these heavy duty vans and trucks available in large numbers at affordable prices? Is alternative fuel easily available? Why do you support raising the gas prices so high that people who can't in the near future replace their vehicles suffer?

The people who can afford the big luxury gas guzzlers for cruising around can afford $16-gal. gas, so it won't change their habits. Of course, they can also hop in a plane (not flying on biofuel).

But the poor lower class schmucks are stuck.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
Electric... Solar... Veggie Oil... We can be creative with new fuel system that will last forever and environment-friendly.
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That's fine for the future. But what would be the point in increasing the price of gas to $16 now? That would only hurt low and middle class people.

What size solar panel would a full-size commercial van carrying a very heavy load down the interstate require?

What is the practical power source right now for semi-trucks?

What is the source of an electric power engine? Hydro? Nuclear? Coal?
 
Reba said:
Then you should know that each small Southeastern community, "... isn't built together like typical towns you can find across the country." The Southeast is NOT the Northwest or even the Midwest.
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Yup, I'm aware of that.

I was passed into poor rural area in north GA, it's about 1 hours away from Atlanta and that's surprised about alot of redneck with confederate flags, plus houses looks ugly with filled of junk, that worse than Pacoima, when it's in poor of suburb area.

There's some town in midwest are almost compare to southeast, like in Missouri.
 
That's fine for the future. But what would be the point in increasing the price of gas to $16 now? That would only hurt low and middle class people.

Provide buses linking small towns, they have no choice. Otherwise, bus fares would cost a fortune

What size solar panel would a full-size commercial van carrying a very heavy load down the interstate require?

Huge one for sure!

What is the practical power source right now for semi-trucks?

Biodiesel.

What is the source of an electric power engine? Hydro? Nuclear? Coal?

Depends on where the source is coming from
 
In the winter time, the daylight grew shorter, how can solar be practical?

Problem is Metroguy don't understand enough, we have been there and there is negative effect from that.

Don't you know that corn plant that was suppose to produce gasohol in other word turning corn into alcohol, it produce only about 40% of energy on what oil can produce... guess what? that plant is now put on hold, reason? not enough corn and the cost of corn has skyrocket, so is the milk price had skyrocket.

We can NOT change anything overnight!

Maybe Metroguy didn't know that the first automobile was actually run purely on electricity! They failed back in 1890's

sequoias said:
What size solar panel would a full-size commercial van carrying a very heavy load down the interstate require?

Huge one for sure!
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An average solar panel of maybe 60x36 panel only produces 200 watts, increase to maybe 1000 watts or so with a inverter and it still won't be enough power for heavy duty vehicles which requires few thouands of watts and high amperage to move heavy loads on the interstates.

Solar panels haven't changed much but they're trying to make them smaller and produce more wattage. It is very difficult to do.
 
sequoias said:
An average solar panel of maybe 60x36 panel only produces 200 watts, increase to maybe 1000 watts or so with a inverter and it still won't be enough power for heavy duty vehicles which requires few thouands of watts and high amperage to move heavy loads on the interstates.

Solar panels haven't changed much but they're trying to make them smaller and produce more wattage. It is very difficult to do.
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I have solar lights on the little bridge in my front yard. They always seem to be very weak, even with the reflectors, and they never get enough sunlight even here in the sunny South.
 
Reba said:
I have solar lights on the little bridge in my front yard. They always seem to be very weak, even with the reflectors, and they never get enough sunlight even here in the sunny South.
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The solar panels on those solar lights outside are very small, that's why they're weak. If those lights were connected to the inverter to a bigger solar panel with battery back up, that would help a lot on cloudy days.

I saw a solar panel connected to a inverter, what powered it was a metal circulation fan was being powered by solar power. The breeze was pretty strong from that fan. Free energy on hot days. :lol:
 
Pacman said:
How about suburb?
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Pacman said:
Ok, I know that most people who from suburb or rural area that are commute to city for workplace, that's no way to use public transportation, from workplace to home, there's certain of suburb that has lousy public transportation.

It's not applies to several cities like LA metro and NYC metro because they have full feature of public transportation, for commute from suburb to city via vehicles are in Tampa, Phoenix, Las vegas and others.
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Middle price for suburbs? ;)
 
MetroGuy03 said:
If that happens... People who are automobile addicts would leave cities for rural areas and create rural towns into bigger cities, bring more traffics and pollute their clean airs. People in rural areas won't be happy about that.

Bakersfield, California is perfect example. Bakersfield is home of many big name oil companies and have oil fields as well. The gas prices in Bakersfield used to be very very cheap as under 60 cent than compared to the average of gas price in USA. Once people found out about it and they moved there. Bakersfield used to be an oil town... Now guess what? Bakersfield became into bigger city with more than 350,000 people with more than 600,000 people in the metro area. Their gas price isn't cheap anymore.

That could happen to any rural town too.
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Well it depends on the rural town restricted, some of rural towns refuse to expand at all. If they want to expand, and finally got light rail or city bus or whatever then their price should go up for the gases, you know what I was saying?
 
MetroGuy03 said:
I want to add one more thing...

I personally know a person who is CEO of an oil company in Houston, Texas. He will retire within two years from now. He told me that oil WILL RUN OUT within 10 to 14 years from now. He encourages people to rethink about their transportation. He wrote the letters to US cities to encourage them to build public transit system before oil runs out. He also told me that gas prices will skyrocket to more than 10 dollars within a year or two from now.

Once oil runs out, Americans will FREAK OUT for sure. I strongly urge anyone to rethink about their transportation.

It is exactly same idea that we would freak out if we don't have electricity or water anymore.

Oh! Speaking of oil running out... This film, I recommand anyone to watch "If... The Oil Runs out." More information about this film, BBC NEWS | Programmes | If | If... The Oil Runs Out
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My father happens to be a very well respected petrophysicist who would disagree that we will run out of oil in fifteen years. Such predictions have been made for decades, but they keep finding more oil. I don't know if your CEO friend has a technical background, but it's usually better to listen to the technical guys on that. That's not to say my dad is definitely right, and he'll be the first to admit that he could be wrong on anything.

Even if all the oil wells dried up tomorrow, there's still oil shales. Underneath Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah, there's three times the oil in shale form than all of Saudi Arabia. The problem is just that it takes a lot of energy and expense to convert it to crude oil, but the technology to make that happen is constantly improving. Once the price of gas exceeds that of converting the oil shales, then we may use it.

As for ANWR, drilling technology has come such a long way that it can be done without interfering with the environment at all. Of course, it can never be totally risk free, but it's much safer to the environment than shipping in oil from halfway around the world.

As for alternative energy, I'm all for it, but there's a ripple effect for everything. My father's opinion (having a background in nuclear physics) is that controlled nuclear fusion is the answer to all our problems (assuming it turns out to be possible). However, he's not a policy expert and hasn't kept up on the latest research.

Wow, I have a really convenient father for this discussion. Perhaps, I should just have him post on this thread. Except he's too busy figuring out where the oil is.
 
Nope, that is not the problem, the problem is COST! If there is build mass transportation for every rural towns, that would equal to 10 cadillacs for every residents, is that justificable?

Seriously, there are small town about 20 miles southwest from me, has about 100 riders rides back and forth each day, and the bus company decide to cut that route, know why? It cost them 300,000 dollars each year to support that route, that is after the fare was collected! That is just for 4 round trips each day. So, that could mean each of these riders gets free $30,000 worth of car each year.

You have to THINK the long term cost, That is why no one wants to deal with this. You can't just focus on the energy itself, you need to focus on inital purchase, initial cost to build, long term maintenance cost, labor, management cost, etc, etc, etc. Where it is really generally very very very cheap for each of us in rural town to own their vehicles.

PuyoPiyo said:
Well it depends on the rural town restricted, some of rural towns refuse to expand at all. If they want to expand, and finally got light rail or city bus or whatever then their price should go up for the gases, you know what I was saying?
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