Gallaudet's Fernandes wants all state deaf schools closed down, protesters say

[Teresh]

I didn't lie. This is an analysis that presents conclusions. I never said that Fernandes gave a quote or something that she wanted to close schools down. Of course she would never do that.

If your idea of an "analysis" is an at-all-costs propoganda plan because you don't like the woman, then you don't have much of a leg to stand on. The evidence presented against her at this time is almost entirely rampant speculation.

 

[Maria]

Well, if the protesters say that Gallaudet's Fernandes wants all state deaf schools closed down, then, how come there's STILL Gallaudet for the Deaf ?

 

[LuciaDisturbed]

Well, if the protesters say that Gallaudet's Fernandes wants all state deaf schools closed down, then, how come there's STILL Gallaudet for the Deaf ?

Gallaudet isn't a state school. It's a private university.

 

[Maria]

Gallaudet isn't a state school. It's a private university.

Ah, alright. Thanks !

 

[Mookie]

Gallaudet isn't a state school. It's a private university.

Still private university? Hardly....they still receive federal fund from the Congress...

 

[Y]

Still private university? Hardly....they still receive federal fund from the Congress...

Lets figure out this: IF these deaf state schools
shut down, then there will be a major decrease
number of Gallaudet enrollment. IF that's true,
then this would be the lack of wisdom business decision.

Point: These Deaf State schools actually
preserve Gallaudet/NTID/CSUN
like a heartbeat working out altogether.

 

[Sweetmind]

Well, if the protesters say that Gallaudet's Fernandes wants all state deaf schools closed down, then, how come there's STILL Gallaudet for the Deaf ?

Now they are working on it in a long run. Thats the purpose for them to reinforce all d/Deaf children into mainstream schools lately because of CI radical s attitude. So it s time to wake up and give Deaf people a chance to stand up for our Deaf rights. Many Deaf schools are closed because Audist attitude teachers did not do a good job with Deaf education as usual and forced us to have too many artificial languages that causes too much complications. It doenst make sense to blame Deaf school itself and Deaf chlidren s faults after all they do not have two ways street as usual.. Force is not doing any good for d/Deaf children. Sighs!

it seems to me that Deaf children are being punished for being deaf as usual. They dont have any positive outlook about Deaf children s abilities.

Thanks!
Sweetmind

 

[Y]

I prefer to have Deaf schools but also need to work on improving Deaf education and things like that and if what Fernades is saying and doing is true then I would not approve of it because I went to Deaf school too and really enjoyed my time there, met and made new friends and learned alots of interesting things.

Agree !!! I went to both hearing and deaf schools myself,
but these deaf schools were the MOST fulfilling enriching
experience of all.

 

[Sweetmind]

Agree !!! I went to both hearing and deaf schools myself,
but these deaf schools were the MOST fulfilling enriching
experience of all.

Of course it s very much. Too many d/Deaf chlidren are isolated and lonely at home because of ASL itself that people think it s so negative our true language. They dont bother to learn ASL for these d/Deaf babies. Deaf babies must be a hearing babies that is their point of views. Jeez! Its always have a one way not two ways street. Thats what it turns me off completely.

It s so wrong of them doing that to d/Deaf chlidren.

Thank you!
Sweetmind

 

[ayala920]

We'll just have to wait and see. I imagine that over the next few years most of the people who are releasing the anti-Fernandes propoganda (and protested her election in the first place) will disappear from the academic ranks at Gallaudet. The reason is not that they protested her (or in the case of this article, outright lied about her) but rather that they are academicallly inept and can't live up to the standards she will institute for the Gallaudet student body.

I'd like to point out that many of the students who initially expressed concerns regarding Fernandes' ability to run the University prior to her selection were incredibly bright students. These students were then the ones who organized the protests and rallies, and have continued efforts throughout the summer with organizations such as the FSSA.

These are not a bunch of idiots looking for an excuse to drink. These are the leaders of the Student Body Government, members of the Honors Program, students in the master's program, highly respected and well-known faculty such as Ben Bahan, MJ Bienvenu and Darian Burwell (recruitment coordinator). The people heading up the protests are dedicated and intelligent members of the Gallaudet community, and certainly of the deaf community as a whole.

 

[Cousin Vinny]

DOWN WITH STATE SCHOOLS FOR THE DEAF!

The education at state schools is lousy!

Deaf students are better off mainstreaming in public schools. They would be more prepared for the world than they would if they went to state school.

I'll disagree with you, but on a different point. The IDEA framework promotes parential choices in educating their DHH children, and having dedicated state Deaf institutions serves this purpose. This way, DHH children can go to an appropriate school, be it at a Deaf school or in a mainstreamed setting.

Yes, there are true junkers among Deaf schools in all 50 states. But, then there are the jewels that make the experience all that worthwhile! I'm sorry to see you not receiving an appropriate education at your state Deaf school, and I hope the situation there improves for future DHH pupils. Judging from the quality of your posts, I'm glad you preserved in spite of your Deaf school's seemingly substandard quality of education.

And yes, I come from a residential school for the Deaf.

 

[Cousin Vinny]

I want everyone to know that I am not anti-deaf culture. I am totally fine with deaf culture. But that is not what the state school for the deaf is for. State school for the deaf is for EDUCATION, not to be with your deaf friends and have fun and whatever. People need to understand that.

Please don't take up such a myopic view on education itself. In addition to the regular classroom component, there's also the 'school of hard knocks'. A lot of the 'education' that goes into an individual's core well-being comes from social situations, understanding of his/her heritage, etc.

In this vein, the residential state Deaf schools are vastly superior to mainstreaming alternatives when it comes to the social component in a total education regimen for a DHH student. Yes, I know the classroom part sure could use some working, but as always, your mileage may vary in many state Deaf schools and their classroom offerings.

 

[Maria]

Now they are working on it in a long run. Thats the purpose for them to reinforce all d/Deaf children into mainstream schools lately because of CI radical s attitude. So it s time to wake up and give Deaf people a chance to stand up for our Deaf rights. Many Deaf schools are closed because Audist attitude teachers did not do a good job with Deaf education as usual and forced us to have too many artificial languages that causes too much complications. It doenst make sense to blame Deaf school itself and Deaf chlidren s faults after all they do not have two ways street as usual.. Force is not doing any good for d/Deaf children. Sighs!

it seems to me that Deaf children are being punished for being deaf as usual. They dont have any positive outlook about Deaf children s abilities.

Thanks!
Sweetmind

Yeah, but IF they really want all state deaf schools to close down ... then, it will be Galludet to close down, too. What if, that woman ( Fernandes ) changes Galludet and, then one day it will be like a " hearin' " college ? It doesn't matter if, it is a private or not.

I believe in " heritage " about deaf should remain for generations. So much the same for Indian tribes. I support " Heritage " about deaf. It reminds me like " nursin' homes " that no body wants to take care of elderly people.

 

[Cousin Vinny]

Point: These Deaf State schools actually
preserve Gallaudet/NTID/CSUN
like a heartbeat working out altogether.

This is never more true for Gallaudet! However, declining enrollment at various state Deaf schools may jeopardize the symbiotic relationship Gallaudet has with the state Deaf instititutions.

Regardless of who's president, Gallaudet needs to recognize this and through their model offering at the Clerc Center, promote the viability of Deaf schools all over the U.S. This is one major reason why I liked Ron Stern; I don't think Jane is up to the task. I suspect, within the next 10 years, the state Deaf school landscape will prove telling on the supply-side equation of Deaf colleges such as Gally, NTID, & CSUN.

 

[Sweetmind]

Yeah, but IF they really want all state deaf schools to close down ... then, it will be Galludet to close down, too. What if, that woman ( Fernandes ) changes Galludet and, then one day it will be like a " hearin' " college ? It doesn't matter if, it is a private or not.

I believe in " heritage " about deaf should remain for generations. So much the same for Indian tribes. I support " Heritage " about deaf. It reminds me like " nursin' homes " that no body wants to take care of elderly people.

Bingo! I agreed. I have already said it in my topic Evidence of being deaf with HA.

 

[Heath]

I have been in a mainstream schools and Deaf schools. I saw the difference while mainstream schools are heavily focused on education. Deaf schools do focus on education but not as serious as at mainstream schools probably because of the Deaf culture in Deaf schools where we relax alittle bit and take the time to really learn in school instead of hurry and rush along like in a mainstream school. I also noticed Deaf schools are more concerned with quality and what are the Deaf students really learning meanwhile at mainstream schools it is all about quotas and meeting the deadlines so do the Deaf kids really get a chance to learn ? They may pass with flying colors but did they really learn anything ? You have to remember how Deaf people think and see things differently and how they learn on their own is vastly different from that of hearing people's whose learning structure, how they think and learn is more of a time compressed learning environment. I am more of a product of the mainstream program than a Deaf school because I spent maybe about 3/4 of my student's life in mainstream schools while I did some time at Deaf residential schools. I still say Deaf schools could do better but let's not rush to ruin the Deaf schools without realizing it hen look back and say " Oh snaps " we should not have done that you know what I mean ? We need to be very careful and very deliberate in how we go about improving Deaf school education so that everybody is really learning and has the solid education down pat and really learn and pass with flying colors and not forget what they learned the next day because they are in a time compressed environment, while time compressed testing can be a good thing but to use that as a rule of thumb with Deaf education is simply wrong. We need to stay focused on the quality of the education we are recieving and giving Deaf students and we will give time compressed tests but not rely or depend on that too much. They will get plenty of practice with time compressed tests each year before school lets out. I mean there are many things we could do to improve Deaf education and yes I agree with that positive assessment that the Deaf schools in 50 states are what keeps Gallaudet, CSUN and NTID together.

 

[Foxrac]

Gallaudet isn't a state school. It's a private university.

MSSD is private deaf school too, unlike most deaf schools in other states because state government is just send funds to deaf school.

 

[Foxrac]

Now they are working on it in a long run. Thats the purpose for them to reinforce all d/Deaf children into mainstream schools lately because of CI radical s attitude. So it s time to wake up and give Deaf people a chance to stand up for our Deaf rights. Many Deaf schools are closed because Audist attitude teachers did not do a good job with Deaf education as usual and forced us to have too many artificial languages that causes too much complications. It doenst make sense to blame Deaf school itself and Deaf chlidren s faults after all they do not have two ways street as usual.. Force is not doing any good for d/Deaf children. Sighs!

it seems to me that Deaf children are being punished for being deaf as usual. They dont have any positive outlook about Deaf children s abilities.

Thanks!
Sweetmind

Not all deaf students at mainstream school have CI but most deaf Latino (mostly Mexicans) are attend LA school district and most school districts over SoCal don't have CI for some reason, also they don't support to get it. I have some Mexican friends that they are deaf and attend our school and numerous other LA school. There's same with most students including all races (around 85%-90%) at mainstream school over USA don't have CI too then quit to complain against CI. Again, CI is just nothing to affect our deaf culture but some students that who got surgery when they was under 6 years old then they attend deaf school when they are around in middle school and high school department then they are start demands on ASL and losing alot of oral language. I have asked you to understand what their feelings.

Jane can't make all deaf people to get CI though but new bill constitution will be fail, just thumb down.

 

[Foxrac]

We'll just have to wait and see. I imagine that over the next few years most of the people who are releasing the anti-Fernandes propoganda (and protested her election in the first place) will disappear from the academic ranks at Gallaudet. The reason is not that they protested her (or in the case of this article, outright lied about her) but rather that they are academicallly inept and can't live up to the standards she will institute for the Gallaudet student body.



Yes, there are many liberal arts colleges and many party schools, but Gallaudet is particularly bad as a party school. A degree from CSUN is worth something. A degree from RIT is enough to get you hired by almost everyone if RIT has a strong program in your field. A degree from Gallaudet is worth about as much as the paper it's printed on because the school has a terrible academic record and is considered a party school by hiring managers.

Does CSUN have its partiers? Sure. Does RIT? Definately. But they're not the majority of the students and it doesn't prevent the majority of the students from being academically successful.

Of course but not at most time, they are busy during classes and have party at dorm, apartments, condo and houses during night or day in weekend, also holiday too.

 

[SxyPorkie]

Not all deaf students at mainstream school have CI but most deaf Latino (mostly Mexicans) are attend LA school district and most school districts over SoCal don't have CI for some reason, also they don't support to get it. I have some Mexican friends that they are deaf and attend our school and numerous other LA school. There's same with most students including all races (around 85%-90%) at mainstream school over USA don't have CI too then quit to complain against CI. Again, CI is just nothing to affect our deaf culture but some students that who got surgery when they was under 6 years old then they attend deaf school when they are around in middle school and high school department then they are start demands on ASL and losing alot of oral language. I have asked you to understand what their feelings.

Jane can't make all deaf people to get CI though but new bill constitution will be fail, just thumb down.

CI issue and gally protests are seperating issues... CI had nothing to do with the state deaf schools and galladents...

Please dont bring CI issues in here...

Thanks!!
SxyPorkie