For those who want to practice Finger-spelling

Perhaps the real "interesting" question-why so many variants to actually using ASL? Is it that ASL is difficult to learn?

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Not really.

Its the problem of understanding that English is not a part of ASL that makes it difficult for most.

Any signers can tell you that... they can form pictures when they watch an ASL user... Even if they don't even speak ASL.
 
I guess it depends on how many persons one knows that uses ASL within one's social setting.

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I guess it depends on how many persons one knows that uses ASL within one's social setting.

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The link PFH put for you really will take you to the place in your user cp where you can just type your signature and save it and you won't need to type it again.
It will just be in your every post.
 
Being real deaf in both ears-interesting.


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Real deaf: total silence from December 20.2006. It was easily confirmed at St Michaels/Toronto ENT in early Jan/07. The first step in the process to get into Sunnybrook/Toronto Cochlear Implant programme.That is why I have a Cochlear Implant-now.

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Being real deaf in both ears-interesting.


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"Real deaf" - as apposed to "fake deaf" ?


incidentally, provided I'm understanding your earlier questions/state about teh number of variations etc in ASL...
ASL actaully has a similar percentage of "variations" or "regional-izations" to any other widely used language which is used across a vast physical space (less an issue now with internet).
If you compare the English usage of various regions in Canada, the USA, the UK etc - you'll notice that there are a number of both "subtle" and more obvious differences/variations etc.
Many people who's native language is English, aren't (consciously or otherwise) aware of the vast alterations, variations, and regional-izations that "their" language can have and still be considered "correctly used" according to the local population. Because most people don't consciously think about how they use their native/daily used language, they don't focus on the variations they hear/see unless it causes them to pause to understand the intent of the word or phrase.
When a person is learning a language be it ASL, English, German etc past the peri-lingual stage the way the "learn" the language changes into a less "natural" more "artificial system" (they compare the "new language" to their "native language". They also become much more aware and "caught up" by any subtle variations, alterations in use/form because they are (at least initially) MEMORIZING more than they are "naturally acquiring" the aspects of the language.
In spoken languages this would mean that they would see something as 'minor' as an accent as a "variant", not to mention any "word replacements" (lorry/truck, buggie/cart/trolley, boot/trunk,coke/pop/soda, etc etc).

Of course ASL being a natural, living language - it also has "accents", and sign variants (depending on geographical area, age of users, etc) which for a fluent user are noticeable in much the same way as a native English speaker might notice (but not be "troubled" by) an accent, different phrasing or "word-exchanges" (ie buggie, trolley, cart). These changes take a bit of adjustment initially, however then become simply "an aspect of the English Language"


Hope that Helps.

Dr.phil - I know that you personally have (at least implied that you have) no need/wish to learn ASL from a communication standpoint... however it may still be valuable for you to take some classes from an educational standpoint (ie, to learn more about what ASL is, how it works etc) not because you are deaf (with CI) but simply "for interest sake as someone who currently knows very little about ASL". Heck, you may even find that you like it :)
 
FingersSpelling is a part of ASL and doesn't/won't "replace ASL'. Reason: the lack of signs for every written/spoken English word. How many words are there in English- with "equivalent signs"? Perhaps this fact can be "dealt with" in the future. This of course, applies to all known spoken/written languages. Perhaps Harlan Lane in his"educated opinion"?-"Cochlear Implant- is a instrument of genocide" can tackle the "lack of signs for every spoken/written word". That should keep him real "busy" for years! After that is completed THAN NO NEED for Fingerspelling.
Real deaf-absolute silence VS "self defined deaf using a Hearing Aid" is this only a discussion in "semantics/linguistics"? Seems to be that ENT doctors "put down on the cultural deaf who use ASL". Why would the "cultural deaf" even visit an ENT doctor or audiologist?Perhaps after fixing up the lack of ASL signs then a study of the Hearing medical personnel why are they suggesting everyone should have a "cochlea" and "speaking chords". Is this the real problem of human "evolution"?
Off to real work-read the 500 page book: a Journey into the Deaf-World. Harlan Lane,Robert Hoffmeister, Ben Bahan. DawnSignPress San Diego 1996 Toronto library 305.90816 LAN.Will this book answer some of the above questions?

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drphil - reading a ton of books won't help if you can't read... especially after posts #22 and #24 in this thread.

I'm not going to elaborate any further... It's a waste of time. Doctor, ha.
 
Especially with your addenda- touche!


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:lol: I think my eyes are about to bug out at the sheer egocentrism in this thread.
 
:lol: I think my eyes are about to bug out at the sheer egocentrism in this thread.

It's fro my own protection. I don't want to risk any permanent brain damage... by putting myself his shoes..

I'm so grateful I have real life experience, not book smarts...
 
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Well said PFH, if a person wants to experience Deaf Culture, please socialise with us. Don't read and trivialise us.
 
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Drphil if it pleases you I live in Toronto and you are quite better off learning more from your Toronto Deaf Community than the books. I will be very happy to meet you and introduce you to the community.
 
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Drphil PFH'S intentions are the same as mine. We are protecting our culture and our true language - ASL. I live in Toronto and from what I read from your posts you are from Toronto as well. I will be happy to introduce you to many Deaf events that's coming up. Socialisation is the key to learning and understanding ASL and Deaf Culture. Namaste.
 
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