FL. Loses Appeal in Terri Schiavo Case

[Oceanbreeze]

Here's the scoop on this ongoing Terri Schiavo case:

Schiavo's Parents Push for New Rulings

I'm surprised that Judge Greer won't even consider letting the Schindlers take pictures of Terri in case she dies. WTF? How can he be so cold toward her parents and deny them anything they asked concerning their daughter?

As you know, I'm for pulling Terri's tube, and I still feel it was her wish to die if she were incapacitated, but even I'm alittle taken aback at some of his rulings concerning her. He also won't allow the Schinder's to bury their daughter should she die. I don't agree with that. The least they could do is, let her family bury her in the tradition of her Catholic faith. I don't get some of the rulings, I'll admit that.

 

[Beowulf]

Jeeeez, let's just kill her and move on then.

 

[Toonces]

As you know, I'm for pulling Terri's tube, and I still feel it was her wish to die if she were incapacitated, but even I'm alittle taken aback at some of his rulings concerning her. He also won't allow the Schinder's to bury their daughter should she die. I don't agree with that. The least they could do is, let her family bury her in the tradition of her Catholic faith. I don't get some of the rulings, I'll admit that.

Yes...at least Judge Greer should show a little more consideration for the parents' feelings concerning their daughter (re: traditional burial, etc). I had to say, the way they both are so determined to see to that Terri dies no matter what makes me wonder if Michael and Judge Greer are mysogynists, huh. :/

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Yes...at least Judge Greer should show a little more consideration for the parents' feelings concerning their daughter (re: traditional burial, etc). I had to say, the way they both are so determined to see to that Terri dies no matter what makes me wonder if Michael and Judge Greer are mysogynists, huh. :/

Like I said, I agree with the rulings allowing her to die, but I don't understand why he didn't allow Terri's body to be released to her parents once she dies. It does appear that Judge Greer is angry at the parents for dragging things out. If he's allowing his personal feelings to interfere with his judgment, than he needs to step aside and let another judge hear the motions. A judge with a grudge is never a good thing.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I still think "pull feed tube to let her staving to death" is an abuse. Why cant the doctors do SOMETHING like the vet did with pets is put her "sleep" to save suffer.

I know Terri´s healthy conditon NEVER cure. Why should we let Terri stay alive rest of her life like this with no feeling, chatting, walking, etc instead of stick in the bed which Terri did already for 15 YEARS which it´s long time. Its time to let her go.

I think it´s unfair for Terri to remain alive like this. No Way.... LET HER GO!

I know it´s sad about burial situation. I would let the parents do something when I am Terri´s husband.


Its funny that anyone did not say anything when their pets have to put sleep to save their suffer. Why cant we do the same with humans with part of dead brain which we know it will NEVER cure.

 

[cady75]

Terri

I agree with you!

It is hard on everybody. I think everybody is hurting themselves
by doing this. People need to let her go. People die sometimes.
That's how it goes.

I wish they had a shot or something for her, too. That would
be much better!

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I agree with you!

It is hard on everybody. I think everybody is hurting themselves
by doing this. People need to let her go. People die sometimes.
That's how it goes.

I wish they had a shot or something for her, too. That would
be much better!

I agree with both you and Leibling. Dragging this out is not doing anybody any good. Least of all, Terri.

And, Leibling...

There are ways for her life to end other than trhough starvation/dehydration. Why they won't pursue those, I have no idea.

 

[Codger]

Sure, why not. Just another useless eater.

Life not worth living
In pre-World War II Germany, the twin movements of eugenics (the science, or more accurately, the pseudo-science of improving the quality of human stock while weeding out unfit human stock) and euthanasia (the "painless" killing of disabled or unfit human stock) were heavily financed by powerful American-based foundations most especially the Rockefeller Foundation.

The philosophical basis for the twin evils of eugenics and euthanasia received a precipitous boost from two prominent men of their day - the psychiatrist Alfred Hoche and the jurist Karl Binding. In The Release of the Destruction of Life Devoid of Value, published in Leipsiz in 1920, Hoche and Binding argued that the killing of "worthless people" not be considered a criminal act.

A practical suggestion on how such killings might be carried out was provided by the Rockefeller Institute protégé and French-born medical scientist Dr. Alexis Carrel. This Nobel-prize winner proposed in his 1933 best seller Man the Unknown, that small euthanasia stations be equipped with suitable gases to "humanely and economically dispose of the mentally ill and criminal class, whom Carrel described as "useless and harmful beings."

Thus the concept of "useless eaters" was not a Nazis invention. And the first mass killers in Nazis Germany were not SS men. Rather the first mass killers in pre-war Germany were psychiatrists, physicians, pediatricians and nurses backed up by an incredibly vast and efficient government bureaucracy. Their first victims were ordinary German citizens, initially from economically disadvantaged families, who were "mentally deficient" including children with Down syndrome. According to Henry Friedlander, author of The Origins of Nazi Genocide, this group included handicapped Jewish patients who were killed (or sterilized under the compulsory sterilization law) because they were handicapped, without regard to ancestry. It was not until the spring of 1940 that the decision was made to systematically murder handicapped Jewish patients simply because they were Jews. As time went on, the category of other potential "beneficiaries" of the euthanasia program was expanded, and crippled and maimed World War I veterans, and patients with infantile paralysis (polio), Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, and brain tumors were added to the extermination list.


The geranium in the window
In his 1966 classic study of the roots of human violence, A Sign for Cain, Fredric Wertham, M.D. devotes a lengthy chapter to pre-war Germany's euthanasia murders titled "The Geranium in the Window."

Wertham takes us to Eglfling-Haar, a prominent psychiatric institution outside of Munich renown for its children's division called the Kinderhaus with a capacity for about one hundred and fifty children. Within the Kinderhaus a "special department" was established with twenty-five beds and cribs and a small room - bare except for a small white tiled table and a geranium in the window. Unlike the plant that was carefully watered and nurtured, four or five times a month, handicapped children from ages six months to sixteen years were taken to this room by a psychiatrist and nurse and murdered by injection. The victims' brains were extracted, placed in carefully labeled jars and sent to a psychiatric research institution for microscopic studies via the "Charitable Transport Company." Their bodies left through the chimney.

By the time the war ended, there were only twenty children left at the Kinderhaus and a small number of the original two thousand mentally handicapped adult patients who had also been methodically and systematically murdered by deliberate starvation or lethal injection.



http://www.all.org/activism/mod1.htm

 

[Toonces]

More on the Terri Schiavo case....




Florida Lawmakers Introduce 'Terri's Law' in Congress
By Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor
March 08, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - Two Florida lawmakers Tuesday introduced legislation that could save the life of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a brain-damaged woman in Florida, whose husband is fighting to remove her feeding tube despite her family's pleas.

The Incapacitated Person's Legal Protection Act (HR 1151 and S 539) would give Terri Schindler Schiavo and people in similar situations the same constitutional protection of due process as death-row inmates.

"This bill is not assuming a specific outcome for Terri Schiavo. It is not a right-to-life or a right-to-die issue," said Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), who sponsored the bill in the Senate.

"It is a very narrowly written piece of legislation to ensure that in very select cases - where there is a judicial dispute about the perceived wishes of the incapacitated individual and a court ordered cessation of nutrition, hydration and medical treatment - that proper legal representation is provided for individuals who have no voice for themselves and whose lives hang in the balance," added Martinez.

Martinez said the measure "ensures Terri has the same federal legal protections as convicted murderers. A federal habeas corpus proceeding will ensure her right to another hearing is followed before the court-ordered decision to end her life is followed through."

The Family Research Council applauded Martinez's measure as well as a bill sponsored by Rep. Dave Weldon (R-Fla.) in the House.

"Dr. Weldon's legislation would allow Terri to have her own counsel that can argue her case, a right given to any criminal in the United States," said FRC President Tony Perkins in a statement. He pointed out that Terri's not a criminal "but a woman truly fighting for her life."

"The disabled deserve due process," said Perkins. "In the United States we don't execute people without due process and we shouldn't execute the incapacitated by starvation. Beyond being cruel and unusual punishment, this is an opportunity for Congress to finally check the power of runaway courts."

The National Right to Life Committee said the measure, also known as the federal "Terri's Law," is based on the "writ of habeas corpus" and would allow a federal hearing on certain state court orders that deny food, fluid or medical treatment deemed necessary to sustain life.

"Congress can act to ensure a federal court hearing on whether or not Terri will be forced to die of starvation and dehydration," said Lori Kehoe, congressional liaison for NRLC's Robert Powell Center for Medical Ethics.

"A proceeding known as the 'writ of habeas corpus,' which is protected by the U.S. Constitution, has been used for centuries to give a hearing to those whose liberty has been constrained by state courts in violation of the Constitution or federal laws," said Kehoe.

She called on Americans to contact their senators and congressmen and urge them to support the measure.

Source: http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200503\CUL20050308c.html

Personally, I'm hoping the congress will consider passing this bill, it is an important issue not only just for Terri Schiavo, but for all the disabled people who cannot speak for themselves.

 

[Huskies1947]

the parents and the court should grant Terri a divorce from Michael.

And let the parents have custody of Terri...
cause Michael was a wife beater.

I AGREE WITH YOU 100% SO MICHAEL CAN'T GET MONEY FROM TERRI'S TRUST (WILL) AT ALL I THINK HE IS SO GREEDY WITH $$$ THAT IS WHY HE HURRIED TO HAVE HIS WIFE TO DIE THEN CAN GET MONEY AND DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT AND MARRY AGAIN TO OTHER LADY!! HE IS ALOT MORE THAN WHAT SCOTT PETERSON DOING! THEY ARE BROTHERS!!
TAKE CARE...HAVE A NICE DAY!
P.S. I HOPE GOD WILL PUNISH MICHAEL SOMEDAY WHAT HE DONE!

 

[Codger]

Yes!!!!

"Florida Lawmakers Introduce 'Terri's Law' in Congress"

I hope they will write it well and hurry it through. Maybe someone will issue Terri a stay of execution, or even get her sentence commuted.

Let me tell you, it is not a far step from killing Terri to selecting other handicapped people for "cleansing". Who is next? The guy with no arms and legs? The woman who is paralized, deaf and blind? Downs babies? Spina bifida? Hydroencephelitus? Cancer patients? The mentally retarded? Heaven knows none of these contribute to society.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

"Florida Lawmakers Introduce 'Terri's Law' in Congress"

I hope they will write it well and hurry it through. Maybe someone will issue Terri a stay of execution, or even get her sentence commuted.

Let me tell you, it is not a far step from killing Terri to selecting other handicapped people for "cleansing". Who is next? The guy with no arms and legs? The woman who is paralized, deaf and blind? Downs babies? Spina bifida? Hydroencephelitus? Cancer patients? The mentally retarded? Heaven knows none of these contribute to society.

This law may or may not help Terri. All it really does is give people more avenues to pursue in the court system. It opens up the option of going to Federal Court once the state avenues are exhausted, which is true in death penalty cases. As for the rest of your statement; people need only to make out a living will spelling out their wishes. If Terri had done that, we would have never even heard the name "Terri Schiavo".

 

[Toonces]

"Florida Lawmakers Introduce 'Terri's Law' in Congress"

I hope they will write it well and hurry it through. Maybe someone will issue Terri a stay of execution, or even get her sentence commuted.

Let me tell you, it is not a far step from killing Terri to selecting other handicapped people for "cleansing". Who is next? The guy with no arms and legs? The woman who is paralized, deaf and blind? Downs babies? Spina bifida? Hydroencephelitus? Cancer patients? The mentally retarded? Heaven knows none of these contribute to society.

Yes.... my opinion about this is as same as yours.

I just hope it's not too late for Terri Schiavo.

 

[Toonces]

Judge Nixes Schiavo Intervention by Agency

Oop, here is yet another article on this case.....



Judge Nixes Schiavo Intervention by Agency

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - A judge ruled Thursday that Florida's social services agency cannot intervene to delay the removal of the feeding tube keeping brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive.

The Department of Children & Families had asked for a 60-day delay in the removal of the feeding tube, now scheduled March 18. The agency said it wanted time to investigate allegations of abuse and neglect by the woman's husband, Michael Schiavo.

But Circuit Judge George W. Greer ruled the agency's attempt to get involved at this late stage "appears to be brought for the purpose of circumventing the court's final judgment ... in violation of the separation of powers doctrine."

Michael Schiavo's attorney had criticized the last-minute attempt by the agency to get involved, saying that it was engineered by Gov. Jeb Bush and others who support Terri Schiavo's parents in their bid to keep their daughter alive.

Terri Schiavo is in what some doctors say is a persistent vegetative state. She suffered brain damage after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance that was believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

Michael Schiavo has gotten a court order to remove the feeding tube, contending his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents dispute that.

Source: Judge Greer says NAY to agency

Frankly, I feel like throttling Judge Greer. :P

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Oop, here is yet another article on this case.....



Judge Nixes Schiavo Intervention by Agency

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - A judge ruled Thursday that Florida's social services agency cannot intervene to delay the removal of the feeding tube keeping brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive.

The Department of Children & Families had asked for a 60-day delay in the removal of the feeding tube, now scheduled March 18. The agency said it wanted time to investigate allegations of abuse and neglect by the woman's husband, Michael Schiavo.

But Circuit Judge George W. Greer ruled the agency's attempt to get involved at this late stage "appears to be brought for the purpose of circumventing the court's final judgment ... in violation of the separation of powers doctrine."

Michael Schiavo's attorney had criticized the last-minute attempt by the agency to get involved, saying that it was engineered by Gov. Jeb Bush and others who support Terri Schiavo's parents in their bid to keep their daughter alive.

Terri Schiavo is in what some doctors say is a persistent vegetative state. She suffered brain damage after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance that was believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

Michael Schiavo has gotten a court order to remove the feeding tube, contending his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents dispute that.

Source: Judge Greer says NAY to agency

Frankly, I feel like throttling Judge Greer. :P

Well, I am in agreement with Greer on this. There have been allegations of abuse for years now by the Schindler's. Why does DCF wanna investigate the case now? Why not get involved when the allegations were first raised? Seems alittle late in the ball game to me, and I agree that it smells of politics. Florida's DCF has problems in their own right, and they have been investigated themselves for wrong doing in other cases. And, now it's OKAY for them to stick their nose where it doesn't belong? I respectfully disagree. If Michael abused Terri, it should have been handled long ago. Not weeks before she her wishes are to be carried out.

 

[Toonces]

Well, Oceanbreeze, I understand. Everyone are entitled to their opinion. ^_^;;


And I apologize if I kept posting yet more article on this case....if it annoys you guys, just tell me to stop it.

So anyway, here it is.....

Businessman Offers $1 Million To Keep Woman On Life Support


Gloria Allred's Law Firm Holds Money In Trust Account

POSTED: 11:51 am PST March 10, 2005
UPDATED: 1:11 pm PST March 10, 2005

LOS ANGELES -- Attorney Gloria Allred said she would hold a news conference with one of her clients Thursday afternoon to make an announcement regarding the case of Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman whose feeding tube is scheduled to be removed on March 18.

Allred said the client is a businessman who has deposited $1 million into her law firm's trust account to offer Schiavo's husband, Michael, if he agrees to certain conditions to keep his comatose wife alive after the feeding tube is scheduled to be removed.

Meanwhile, the state of Florida is moving on two fronts to try to block the March 18 removal of the feeding tube keeping brain-damaged Terri Schiavo alive.

The Department of Children and Families wants to intervene in order to investigate allegations of abuse and neglect by the woman's husband. And in Tallahassee, Republican lawmakers crafted a bill requiring that Schiavo and other incapacitated people be afforded water and nutrition unless a living will directs otherwise.

The husband has a court order to stop her artificial feedings. A DCF attorney told a judge Wednesday that the court cannot impede an agency investigation. But the husband's attorney argued that the agency's last-minute attempt to intervene is politically motivated, especially because dozens of previous complaints to DCF have failed to yield any evidence of abuse.

The attorney told reporters that the agency is simply acting as an arm of Gov. Jeb Bush's office to try to undo a court order they don't like.

Copyright 2005 by NBC4.tv. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

Source: http://www.nbc4.tv/health/4272987/detail.html

That is a lot of money..... 0_o. But would Michael Schiavo accepts it? We'll just wait and see.... 6_6

 

[Toonces]

Sorry again, I'm back with yet another article. ^^;; This time it's about Kate Adamson who was once considered too brain-damaged to be anything but a vegetable after suffering a double brainstem stroke. She has recovered now, and she is on way to speak out at a rally for Terri Schiavo what it is like to feel totally isolated and unable to talk.

I consider it valuable enough to post it here. Do read it at:


A Voice to Speak for Others


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[The*Empress]

YES THIS IS GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!! :P :P :P

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sorry again, I'm back with yet another article. ^^;; This time it's about Kate Adamson who was once considered too brain-damaged to be anything but a vegetable after suffering a double brainstem stroke. She has recovered now, and she is on way to speak out at a rally for Terri Schiavo what it is like to feel totally isolated and unable to talk.

I consider it valuable enough to post it here. Do read it at:


A Voice to Speak for Others


.

Thank you for the link over Kate Adamson. I search to learn more about her today and make me realize that the meaningful therapy could help Terri ages ago. Yes, you’re right about Michael denied meaningful therapies and also Terri’s parents and sibling’s visitation rights, too.

Yes, I know that Terri do not received any meaningful therapy, etc for years but I don’t understand why the doctors listen Michael? Its doctor job task do SOMETHING when they KNEW they could improve Terri with therapy IS inform Health Department. It’s Health Department’s duty to control Terri’s health condition. I cant see the sense why the doctors do nothing because they obey Michael which they should do YEARS ago instead of those condition where Michael and Terri’s parents battle in the court. Yes, I know Michael is the one who applied judge for their approval permission to let Terri die but I still can’t see the sense.

Anyway, see interesting link, you should read Kate’s story. I’m speechless after read those link how much Kate’s husband care about his wife and fight for her healthy. Her healthy goes improve. What a miracle.

I can see the difference between Kate’s and Terri’s husbands. Terri had her husband who fighting to let her die and Kate had her husband who loved his wife so much and wanted her to live. Interesting.

If Michael really love her as what he says he does but why he denied Terri’s parents and siblings visitation rights and also no even cards, flowers, etc. Why can’t he show his loving and kindly toward his wife until he wins at court battle to let her die then?

If Michael really love her and want to take care her but why he neglected his duty as her guardian. I mean about meaningful therapy, health care etc.

Its sadness IS: Terri left no will, no living, no writing etc about issues or wishes. I really don’t know what should I say but all what I hope for Terri’s parents as long as they fighting to keep her alive.


I really don’t know what should I say after read Kate Adamson’s story. I’m speechless.


http://commonsenserunswild.typepad.com/common_sense_runs_wild/2005/02/fighting_to_sav.html

 

[Toonces]

Thank you too, Liebling)) for more information about Kate Adamson and how she experienced agony when she was being starved for 8 days. And yes, Kate Adamson is very fortunate to have a loving husband who did not give up on her, but fought hard until she was able to recover from her vegetable-like state. Michael Schiavo, on other hand, GAVE UP on Terri and would rather let her starve to death. :/ It is indeed a big difference. ::Nods::

Let's hope that Kate Adamson's experiences give Michael, his lawyer and Judge Greer something to think about. 6_6