FL. Loses Appeal in Terri Schiavo Case

Rant Alert!

So Michael Schiavo and lawyer George Felos finally decided Terri will have an autopsy after her death, just to prove how damaged her brain is?

Man, that pissed me off big time. WHY DON'T THEY HAVE HER TAKE MRI OR PETA SCAN WHILE SHE IS STILL ALIVE TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF DAMAGE HER BRAIN HAS? If they had, they would understand better and be able to help Terri get therapy or whateverso. But no, they decided to wait until after Terri died to look into her brain. What if brain is too shrivelled up from lack of fluids to do any good? Or worse, what if it turned out the brain is not as badly damaged as they thought? Michael and George might just say something like, "Oops, we made a mistake. Oh well, too bad. Time to move on with our lives anyway".

Just how useful is it to know if brain is damaged AFTER autopsy??? :pissed:
 
CyberRed said:
I believe she died by now since it is more than 10 days without feedin' tube and water.


Not yet, otherwise CNN would be announcing about her death and we would know about it already. But no, she has not died...not yet anyway.
 
Toonces said:
So Michael Schiavo and lawyer George Felos finally decided Terri will have an autopsy after her death, just to prove how damaged her brain is?

Man, that pissed me off big time. WHY DON'T THEY HAVE HER TAKE MRI OR PETA SCAN WHILE SHE IS STILL ALIVE TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF DAMAGE HER BRAIN HAS? If they had, they would understand better and be able to help Terri get therapy or whateverso. But no, they decided to wait until after Terri died to look into her brain. What if brain is too shrivelled up from lack of fluids to do any good? Or worse, what if it turned out the brain is not as badly damaged as they thought? Michael and George might just say something like, "Oops, we made a mistake. Oh well, too bad. Time to move on with our lives anyway".

Just how useful is it to know if brain is damaged AFTER autopsy??? :pissed:

They will probably not write down what exactly happened to Terri and what caused her death. Her medical record will probably be in Top Secret File.
 
Toonces said:
Not yet, otherwise CNN would be announcing about her death and we would know about it already. But no, she has not died...not yet anyway.

Well, I believe she died already. No one inserts the feedin' tube back to Terri or gave her some water.
 
Well...still not quite....


Jackson Prays With Terri Schiavo's Parents

Mar 29, 12:50 PM (ET)

By RON WORD

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (AP) - The parents of Terri Schiavo met and prayed Tuesday with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who called her impending death "an injustice."

Joining the conservatives who have rallied to the parents' cause, the liberal Jackson said he would call state senators who opposed legislation that would have reinserted Schiavo's feeding tube and ask them to reconsider.

Terri Schiavo was in her 12th day without food and water. Her husband and guardian, Michael Schiavo, has insisted that he was carrying out her wishes by having her feeding tube pulled. His lawyer said Monday that an autopsy was planned to show the extent of Terri Schiavo's brain damage.

Jackson's arrival Tuesday was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights."

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," said Jackson, who has run for president as a Democrat. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

"I wanted the Reverend Jackson here for moral support," said Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother. "I feel good with him here. Very strong. He gives me strength."

University of South Florida political science professor Susan MacManus said Jackson's appearance shows that the life-and-death issues surrounding their daughter resonate beyond white, Christian conservatives.

"A person of faith, and not just a white, conservative person of faith will be seen as a welcomed change," MacManus said.

Schiavo's father, Bob Schindler, said he visited his daughter Tuesday and said she was "failing."

"She still looks pretty darn good under the circumstances," Schindler said. "You can see the impact of no food and water for 12 days. Her bodily functions are still working. We still have her."

After Jackson's news conference, a man was tackled to the ground by officers when he tried to storm into the hospice, Pinellas Park police said.

Dow Pursley, 56, of Scranton, Pa., was shocked with a Taser stun gun and was arrested on charges of attempted burglary and resisting arrest without violence, police spokesman Sanfield Forseth said. The man had two bottles of water with him but did not reach the hospice door, police said. He is the 47th protester arrested.

On Monday, George Felos, the attorney for husband and guardian Michael Schiavo, said that the chief medical examiner for Pinellas County, Dr. John Thogmartin, had agreed to perform an autopsy.

He said her husband wants definitive proof showing the extent of the brain damage.

An attorney for the Schindlers, David Gibbs III, said her family also wants an autopsy. "We would certainly support and encourage an autopsy to be done, with all the unanswered questions," Gibbs said.

Felos said he had visited Schiavo for more than an hour Monday and said she looked "very peaceful. She looked calm."

"I saw no evidence of any bodily discomfort whatsoever," Felos said, although he added her breathing seemed "a little on the rapid side" and her eyes were sunken.

Doctors have said Terri Schiavo, 41, would probably die within a week or two when the tube was removed on March 18. She suffered catastrophic brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped for several minutes because of a chemical imbalance.

The parents on Monday pressed again for President Bush, Congress and the president's brother, Gov. Jeb Bush, to intervene to have the feeding tube reinserted. A small group of supporters protested outside the White House gates.

As Schiavo drew closer to death, extra police officers blocked the road in front of the Florida hospice, and an elementary school next door was closed so students could avoid the crowd.

President Bush's aides have said they have run out of legal options.

At least two more appeals filed by the state seeking the feeding tube's reconnection were pending, but those challenges were before a Florida appeals court that had rejected the governor's previous efforts in the case.

Source: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050329/D894PAMO1.html
 
Why does a million people care about 1 person who is brain dead? While there are millions who are being killed in the world.
 
It's all in standing up and fighting against injustice to this person. But that's true, Terri is not the only one who is victim of injustice...there are thousands who are victims of similiar injustice, too. Fight For Terri also includes all the disabled people who cannot speak up for themselves...and it is only just a beginning.

To sit back and twiddle thumbs and do nothing while she withers away at the order of hard-hearted judge and scheming husband and his lawyer is even worse - that it would mean we have no humanity left in us at all. :/
 
Nusentinsaino said:
Why does a million people care about 1 person who is brain dead? While there are millions who are being killed in the world.
Well, one simple reason why - this is the most litigated case for right-to-die in US history.
 
WHY DON'T THEY HAVE HER TAKE MRI OR PETA SCAN WHILE SHE IS STILL ALIVE TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF DAMAGE HER BRAIN HAS?

Because there is NO need for more scans. MRI is not compatible with her brain since she has a brain implant. The CAT scan showed ENOUGH damage that there's no use to continue with PET or MRI scans.

-jeff
 
Another thing that pisses me off is that it is WHAT TERRI WANTED, not what you think she wanted. None of you know her personally. She explicitedly expressed her wishes to several witnesses and courts have upheld that it is what Terri wanted.

You complain about pain and suffering that come with starvation/dehydration but many of you have told online that you do not want to be kept alive on life support! What do you think you're going to have? A dose of poison to kill you quickly? THAT WON'T HAPPEN! IT IS ILLEGAL! The only way to die is starvation/dehydration if you're only on feed tube.

-jeff
 
netrox said:
Another thing that pisses me off is that it is WHAT TERRI WANTED, not what you think she wanted. None of you know her personally. She explicitedly expressed her wishes to several witnesses and courts have upheld that it is what Terri wanted.

You complain about pain and suffering that come with starvation/dehydration but many of you have told online that you do not want to be kept alive on life support! What do you think you're going to have? A dose of poison to kill you quickly? THAT WON'T HAPPEN! IT IS ILLEGAL! The only way to die is starvation/dehydration if you're only on feed tube.

-jeff

Terri has no living will, therefore; we do not know what she wants. It does not matter if she told people what she wants because people do lie. I don't buy stories like "She told me that..." or "I remember she said that..." as 3rd party because it can cause misunderstanding or twist around the words. I personally do not believe Michael. Terri collapsed in 1990. Michael got himself a girlfriend in 1995. Then in 1998, Michael "remember" that Terry did not want to live like vegatative state. It took Michael 8 years to remember this. That is bullshit!

I do not think Terri's parents are being selfish. I am a parent myself and I love my child than the life itself. Terri's parents are the most amazing people that has faith and believe in their daughter. In my eye, Michael should be terminated of being Terri's legal guardian since he got himself a girlfriend and kids. Unfortunately, there is no law that support that.

We should not be thinking of ourselves what we want if we are in vegatative state. We are talking about Terri here. She should be allowed to live. She breathe on her own. The only thing she needs to feeding tube. Let her live. Let her die on her own time as natural causes. Not feeding her is MURDER.

Imagine people in other countries like Africa who is starving themselves. Same thing with Terri.

Terri is fighting to live...I mean now she is on her 12th day. Bless her and I am fighting for her to live.
 
BlondeGirl said:
Terri has no living will, therefore; we do not know what she wants. It does not matter if she told people what she wants because people do lie. I don't buy stories like "She told me that..." or "I remember she said that..." as 3rd party because it can cause misunderstanding or twist around the words. I personally do not believe Michael. Terri collapsed in 1990. Michael got himself a girlfriend in 1995. Then in 1998, Michael "remember" that Terry did not want to live like vegatative state. It took Michael 8 years to remember this. That is bullshit!

I do not think Terri's parents are being selfish. I am a parent myself and I love my child than the life itself. Terri's parents are the most amazing people that has faith and believe in their daughter. In my eye, Michael should be terminated of being Terri's legal guardian since he got himself a girlfriend and kids. Unfortunately, there is no law that support that.

We should not be thinking of ourselves what we want if we are in vegatative state. We are talking about Terri here. She should be allowed to live. She breathe on her own. The only thing she needs to feeding tube. Let her live. Let her die on her own time as natural causes. Not feeding her is MURDER.

Imagine people in other countries like Africa who is starving themselves. Same thing with Terri.

Terri is fighting to live...I mean now she is on her 12th day. Bless her and I am fighting for her to live.
EXCALTY!!!!!! Terri is fighing to be live!!! u are right!!!
 
I do not think Terri's parents are being selfish.

Selfish? Terri's father testified that he would keep Terri alive even if it involves cutting off all her limbs and putting her on a ventilator so do you trust him to make medical decisions for you?

Also, the court mentioned that Terri's parents wanted Michael to "move on with his life" and take everything that belongs to Terri and now religious freaks tell us that Micheal is the bad guy even tho her parents ENCOURAGED him to divorce his wife so they could inherit her assets? In fact, the court ruled, "Mr. and Mrs. Schindler ultimately dismissed their petition [to remove Micheal from guardianship] citing financial considerations as their motivation." For any of you who don't understand that sentence, they only wanted money and they wanted to inherit Terri's assets after she dies. Selfish? Sounds like it.

-jeff
 
netrox said:
Another thing that pisses me off is that it is WHAT TERRI WANTED, not what you think she wanted. None of you know her personally. She explicitedly expressed her wishes to several witnesses and courts have upheld that it is what Terri wanted.


Yes, Michael Schiavo had kept saying that for years....and then slipped up on Larry King Live two weeks by saying he DID NOT KNOW what Terri wanted. So it is possible she really did NOT tell him her wishes, and he's caught by his own lies, I believe. You can read the transcript here for yourself and pay particular attention to what Michael said. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0503/18/lkl.01.html


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Just do us all a favor and crawl back to that forum owned by a morbidly fat Nazi freak.
We do not need you here.
Have a nice day, Brownshirt.
 
Beowulf said:
Just do us all a favor and crawl back to that forum owned by a mordidly fat Nazi freak.
We do not need you here.
Have a nice day, Brownshirt.


Ô_O ? .... Uh, who are you referring to?
 
So it is possible she really did NOT tell him her wishes, and he's caught by his own lies, I believe.

It's a possiblility, yes but also Terri's own best friend also testified that Terri doesn't want to be in that condition either. The court finds that it is what Terri wanted. If Michael was lying the whole time, he should be punished.

The transcript you cited.. he was interrupted by King (note the eliplses ... ). Ugh!

-jeff
 
I´m agree with netrox....


Anyway, it´s up to judge. The judge are not stupid and can control every statements.

Please leave poor Terri go peaceful.
 
But Terri is NOT going "peacefully."
She is fighting.
Duhhhhh.
 
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