Felony charges filed in Utah rock formation destruction

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the earth only has value due to us.
we are the beings who create value. value is symbolic. its a human trait.
thus
these rocks no matter how beautiful and again there are others like it, are not worth the ruining of two human beings lives.
and having looked at the vid and having looked at these two guys
making them felons doesn't fit
its an injustice
 
hoichi said:
the earth only has value due to us.
we are the beings who create value. value is symbolic. its a human trait.
thus
these rocks no matter how beautiful and again there are others like it, are not worth the ruining of two human beings lives.
and having looked at the vid and having looked at these two guys
making them felons doesn't fit
its an injustice
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again... it's not what they destroyed. it's what they did. their action is illegal. it's vandalism and destruction of the property. the charge remains the same if they vandalized a museum, Lincoln Memorial, etc.
 
hoichi said:
yes indeed. maybe the police and courts have more urgent things to attend too
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but these are Park Rangers and their job is to deal with idiots like them.
 
hoichi said:
the earth only has value due to us.
we are the beings who create value. value is symbolic. its a human trait.
thus
these rocks no matter how beautiful and again there are others like it, are not worth the ruining of two human beings lives.
and having looked at the vid and having looked at these two guys
making them felons doesn't fit
its an injustice
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Law is law, period.
 
Bebonang said:
Hoichi, you are the one who posts here the most about the not value rock. Here in the Southwest especially in Utah, we have red rocks and red landscape. It is sooo beautiful to look and see what make the formation so great. We, Native American, have a lot of respects for Mother Earth. The rocks are living and we were careful about taking care of our Mother Earth. Same with caves where there is pictographs on the walls that Native people drew to tell our history about animals and some about wars. They are precious and well taken care of. We can only look at it but not touch them. The boulder that was standing on top of rock has been there for centuries. They should have not touch it in the first place. It is natural the way it is. The boys or men if they are called as men should have report to the Rangers about it and asked if they can topple it over as it is getting weak. If not, then don't touch it no matter what. Other formations are there to be awed and admired in showing respect to nature. Red Earth which is found mostly near the mountains or part of the mountains are really awesome and they are incredible when the rocks including the boulders made formations which the former rivers (no longer there) had made them look like that.

It is the same with the Badlands in South Dakota where whites took away from Lakota and Dakota just because the miners or the prospectors wanted to find gold, but then never gave it back to them. The Lakota and Dakota view the Badlands as sacred and want to worship with their Medicine Wheel and also to carry out their own ceremonies. They are fighting to get that back, but the white people refused to give them back. They are still working on it. :(

All I have to say to you here is to show respect for the Red Earth. It is value.

May Grandfather Sky watch over Mother Earth. :(
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Yes, there are a lot of angry Utahans.

I doubt that hoichi would care because he is obviously convicted felon.
 
hoichi said:
there are other rocks..... Blah blah blah.....toppled a couple of rocks....maybe the police and courts have more urgent things to attend too
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What is more urgent than arresting someone on felony charges?

Again with repeated bitter words to a post by someone you never met. I am not mad at your opinion, just baffled.

Maybe I totally agree with you, but find it more entertaining to make you show your lack of real character to the group. You want to play the insult game? OK. I could care less if you smoke tobacco, carpeting, banana peels, or fish. I just wish you would do it more, and faster.

Are you still incarcerated? I can see you didn't spend much time learning to move on during your "injustice" at taxpayer expense. Carry that anger to the grave. Your choice.

I am not sure what the end result of this case will be, but if it alerts others to the need to respect what has been set aside for our future generations, mission accomplished. Why should they have to live with the decision of these two vandals?

Oh, and I would tell you to vote for new people if the current lawmakers are not up to your rigid standards, but hey, you can't vote. :P
 
Jiro said:
again... it's not what they destroyed. it's what they did. their action is illegal. it's vandalism and destruction of the property. the charge remains the same if they vandalized a museum, Lincoln Memorial, etc.
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is there any difference at all in the lincoln memorial and some rocks standing on each other?

yes they toppled rocks, now again how much will it costs the tax payers?
at least know what the cost is in which you blindly obey
 
hoichi said:
is there any difference at all in the lincoln memorial and some rocks standing on each other?

yes they toppled rocks, now again how much will it costs the tax payers?
at least know what the cost is in which you blindly obey
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Is it possible those rocks hit you in the head?...:giggle:...I'm telling ya...you're a piece of work, hoichi....Bet you got "wrote up" while you were in "there" ....all the time....Otherwise, maybe ya got rocks for brains....but I did think you were intelligent....now I'm beginning to wonder....:hmm:...so arguementive....brash....what did they do to you in there?...probably duct-taped ur mouth I assume....threw you in the hole to stop ur quibbling?....:giggle:
 
Rather than prison time for this offense I would prefer to see a combination of hefty fine and community service.


Side notes:

I believe IF a convicted felon has served his time and is adhering to the conditions of his parole, then that person should be given a fair chance on the outside. (I also believe in "trust but verify.")

I don't believe we need to continue harping on a person's background as a way to bolster our arguments. Maybe we're not all ex-cons but we got enough skeletons in our own closets to consider.

I dislike the use of tobacco products as much as anyone but someone mentioning smoking in their posts essentially like a signature isn't going to hurt anyone here, even in a second hand way.

^^^ IMO ^^^
 
saywhatkid said:
What is more urgent than arresting someone on felony charges?
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they toppled rocks. yes

saywhatkid said:
Again with repeated bitter words to a post by someone you never met. I am not mad at your opinion, just baffled.
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at what exactly? that i think these guys arent felons and shouldnt be? fine. kepe bieng baffled. im cool with that.

saywhatkid said:
Maybe I totally agree with you, but find it more entertaining to make you show your lack of real character to the group.
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cool. my posts speak for themselves. again this thread isnt about me, my opinion isnt a popularity contest, im flattered you like me, and seem to want to spend time chatting. but really this thread isnt about me. and further you shoudl try to argue against my ideas and not my person.

saywhatkid said:
You want to play the insult game? OK. I could care less if you smoke tobacco, carpeting, banana peels, or fish. I just wish you would do it more, and faster.
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i dont get it? you ask to be picked on in another thread due to you bieng bored. i do and now you pout?
pfth
what ever

saywhatkid said:
Are you still incarcerated?
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no.

saywhatkid said:
I can see you didn't spend much time learning to move on during your "injustice" at taxpayer expense. Carry that anger to the grave. Your choice.
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will do

saywhatkid said:
I am not sure what the end result of this case will be, but if it alerts others to the need to respect what has been set aside for our future generations, mission accomplished. Why should they have to live with the decision of these two vandals?
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they do anyway. the rocks are toppled. dragging these guys through the system wont change that.

saywhatkid said:
Oh, and I would tell you to vote for new people if the current lawmakers are not up to your rigid standards, but hey, you can't vote. :P
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if one can live without a slave, one can live without a master.
 
Jiro said:
but these are Park Rangers and their job is to deal with idiots like them.
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yeah............

(drags cigarette, inhales deep, exhales smoke in the shape of two pigs pissing on a rock)


the rock fuzz
 
rockin'robin said:
Is it possible those rocks hit you in the head?...:giggle:...I'm telling ya...you're a piece of work, hoichi....Bet you got "wrote up" while you were in "there" ....all the time....Otherwise, maybe ya got rocks for brains....but I did think you were intelligent....now I'm beginning to wonder....:hmm:...so arguementive....brash....what did they do to you in there?...probably duct-taped ur mouth I assume....threw you in the hole to stop ur quibbling?....:giggle:
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oh stop it you.
 
I agree with Reba.

I like reading Hoichi's posts because his answers are very unique and it's well written. His way of writing is also creative with good vocabulary and emotions/actions in it.

Very unique. I really enjoy reading them whether I agree with him or not. Makes me laugh.

Have an open mind, after all this is a forum.
 
Thank you Mangareader.
your too kind.
 
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