Felony charges filed in Utah rock formation destruction

[diehardbiker]

You have no clue or idea how workers compensation works. It is not what you think it is. Once you going though like this, you will have completely different perspective. These (Carrier) attorney will DO ANYTHING to get out of court, just anything, make up BS whatever. Happened to me, so I know what it is like. I won the case because, the damage is done, whatever I do afterwards means NOTHING in my case. I have done construction work while on disability leave, the carrier attorney blamed construction job that I had and believe I had an accident in it which never happened. There was no such accident on construction job. Anyway, because of this I was able to prove that my last job was the cause injury and construction job have nothing to do with my injury. It was rather long story, 3 years of battle.

There are cases where it is not bright thing to do if do NOTHING but sit at home. It will cause one unable to prove anything.

According the link posted about the lawsuit , it's still going on . And if you're a middle of settling a lawsuit for an injury you don't go around knocking huge rocks over. It's not the brightest thing to.

 

[hoichi]

because of the way your reasoning is...

demonstrate the errors in my reasoning. cite it, quote me. lets all see.

that's why you're a convicted felon.

ad hominem

 

[hoichi]

Damn right on the button...

how so?

demonstrate it

 

[saywhatkid]

demonstrate the errors in my reasoning.

It's your lucky day! I'll add some thoughts.

Your reasoning is (I think) that rocks have little value. If they were manmade into a building, and these guys bulldoze the building over, they are just having fun, yes?

If these guys started Sequoia NP on fire because they find fires to be fascinating, they should be allowed to roast marshmallows, unimpeded, yes?

If they found ancient drawings in a cave, they are allowed to draw beards on them, yes?

The thing is, these rock formations had value. The other things to consider here;

• Guilty? Of what? Wait until the trial.
• Even if convicted, their lives are hardly ruined until sentencing. They might get off with a fine or probation.
• The rocks are sentenced to a million years of becoming worthless.
• The future visitors to the park are sentenced to a less-fulfilling visit.

 

[rockin'robin]

how so?

demonstrate it

*cough, cough, cough*...seems somebody called the fire dept. ....dump those ashtrays again, hoichi....

 

[saywhatkid]

One other thing about the laws here, they are made to deter idiots like this. If it was $200 fine for damaging park property, it would be done much more frequently.

 

[saywhatkid]

*cough, cough, cough*...seems somebody called the fire dept. ....dump those ashtrays again, hoichi....

*In voice box voice* "Please do not smoke in the forest."

 

[hoichi]

It's your lucky day! I'll add some thoughts.

Your reasoning is (I think) that rocks have little value.

That is incorrect. my reasoning is that rocks have NO value separate from what man gives them. and to value the position (standing on each other balancing) of an inanimate object (rocks) over the life of a breathing living human being is nuts.

If they were manmade into a building, and these guys bulldoze the building over, they are just having fun, yes?

you are comparing something made by man through our "will" and effort a bulding, to rocks sitting and standing in a natural way in nature.

If these guys started Sequoia NP on fire because they find fires to be fascinating, they should be allowed to roast marshmallows, unimpeded, yes?

i think we should keep in perspective exactly what these two gentleman have done. and really ask ourselves honestly if given their "crime" against these standing rocks if these rocks or society are served dragging their living breathing bodies and minds through the injustice system.

If they found ancient drawings in a cave, they are allowed to draw beards on them, yes?

ancient drawings in a cave are art created by man and in no way shape or form even remotely close to rocks standing on themselves in nature. do you understand why? even the law recognizes the very deep difference between what you are trying to here compare.

The thing is, these rock formations had value.

no doubt. but the value of these two human beings and their current lives and how they were living is of greater value then those toppled rocks.

The other things to consider here;

• Guilty? Of what? Wait until the trial.

• 
  
  obviously. but this is not just about the procedure of the injustice system, its also about the ideals governing such absurd laws to begin with and their ramifications which are getting scary.
  
  

  [*]Even if convicted, their lives are hardly ruined until sentencing. They might get off with a fine or probation.

  
  take it form me being a felon lives up to the name. "hardly ruined till sentencing" yeah well that line betrays allot of your thinking here. have you worked out how much it will cost the state for these two? the trial, the sentencing, the probation/parole or are you one just to demand law and order for the rocks without knowing the costs?
  
  

  [*]The rocks are sentenced to a million years of becoming worthless.

  
  rocks have no worth outside of and separate form man. the are truly worthless if it was not us who give them value. and humans are always worth more then rocks. or well.......we should be.
  
  
  

  [*]The future visitors to the park are sentenced to a less-fulfilling visit.

gosh well off with these two guys heads, lest your visit to a damn park is ruined

yeah.....

 

[hoichi]

*cough, cough, cough*...seems somebody called the fire dept. ....dump those ashtrays again, hoichi....

ad hominem

 

[hoichi]

*In voice box voice* "Please do not smoke in the forest."

ad hominem

 

[saywhatkid]

ad hominem

Redundant

ad hominem

Repetitious

ad hominem

Weak sauce.

 

[saywhatkid]

That is incorrect. my reasoning is that rocks have NO value separate from what man gives them. and to value the position (standing on each other balancing) of an inanimate object (rocks) over the life of a breathing living human being is nuts.



you are comparing something made by man through our "will" and effort a bulding, to rocks sitting and standing in a natural way in nature.



i think we should keep in perspective exactly what these two gentleman have done. and really ask ourselves honestly if given their "crime" against these standing rocks if these rocks or society are served dragging their living breathing bodies and minds through the injustice system.





ancient drawings in a cave are art created by man and in no way shape or form even remotely close to rocks standing on themselves in nature. do you understand why? even the law recognizes the very deep difference between what you are trying to here compare.



no doubt. but the value of these two human beings and their current lives and how they were living is of greater value then those toppled rocks.




obviously. but this is not just about the procedure of the injustice system, its also about the ideals governing such absurd laws to begin with and their ramifications which are getting scary.



take it form me being a felon lives up to the name. "hardly ruined till sentencing" yeah well that line betrays allot of your thinking here. have you worked out how much it will cost the state for these two? the trial, the sentencing, the probation/parole or are you one just to demand law and order for the rocks without knowing the costs?



rocks have no worth outside of and separate form man. the are truly worthless if it was not us who give them value. and humans are always worth more then rocks. or well.......we should be.




gosh well off with these two guys heads, lest your visit to a damn park is ruined

yeah.....

Good job with the "Zaprudering" of my post.

Your value of something differs from mine. Maybe I LOVED those rocks in the formation they were in. Maybe I paid taxes to keep them in that formation for my son to see. He can only see them in photos now. Same for countless other people.
Too bad, you say? :fruit:

Those men knew what they were doing was foolish and wrong, but proceeded to do it anyway. We have laws in place to prosecute them. Do we overlook this act of "boys will be boys" same as we do for most traffic violations now? No need to make laws if people refuse to obey them, and our LEO and courts do nothing to uphold and enforce them? Why bother, the rocks are already dead?

 

[hoichi]

Redundant

Repetitious

Weak sauce.

weak sauce all fine and dandy but by repeatedly attacking me or what i do smoke, its called an ad hominum
look it up
id rather argue and discuss "ideals" and laws and not if you smoke, or what ever.
that said i understand why you want to do it here though

 

[Foxrac]

weak sauce all fine and dandy but by repeatedly attacking me or what i do smoke, its called an ad hominum
look it up
id rather argue and discuss "ideals" and laws and not if you smoke, or what ever.
that said i understand why you want to do it here though

You need to quit smoking because it is BAD for your health.

*stomp on cigarette*

 

[hoichi]

Good job with the "Zaprudering" of my post.

thank you

Your value of something differs from mine. Maybe I LOVED those rocks in the formation they were in.

maybe you did

Maybe I paid taxes to keep them in that formation for my son to see. He can only see them in photos now. Same for countless other people.

there are other rocks just like it. further how is your tax loot now spent on dragging these guys through the injustice system better spending your tax loot? how is society served?

how much is the costs?

Too bad, you say? :fruit:

id say if it mattered so much to you, you would stop bitching here and go put the rocks back up. instead you will lament the end of two balancing rocks cool, heres some sandpaper for you tears

Those men knew what they were doing was foolish and wrong,

you assume to know their thoughts i dont.

We have laws in place to prosecute them.

persecute indeed

Do we overlook this act of "boys will be boys" same as we do for most traffic violations now?

well perhaps some mercy in in order here. perhaps th estate and the apparatus of the injustice system can work its cogs against real criminals, bad men, as opposed to scout leaders who, gosh (hand to face, eyes wide open) toppled a couple of rocks.

No need to make laws if people refuse to obey them, and our LEO and courts do nothing to uphold and enforce them? Why bother, the rocks are already dead?

yes indeed. maybe the police and courts have more urgent things to attend too

 

[hoichi]

You need to quit smoking because it is BAD for your health.

*stomp on cigarette*

gotta a light?

 

[rockin'robin]

weak sauce all fine and dandy but by repeatedly attacking me or what i do smoke, its called an ad hominum
look it up
id rather argue and discuss "ideals" and laws and not if you smoke, or what ever.
that said i understand why you want to do it here though

backtracking....and false....Dunno if ur reasoning/mentality was before or after being incarnated....and dunno what you were incarnated for, or how long....but ur disregard/dislike of laws is obviously flawed....And like i said before...I know of someone whose mentality is basically the same as yours...it wasn't until he was incarnated for 12 years...."chip on ur shoulder"?...I dunno...but it's a good way to land right back in the slammer....

As for smoking...it's not rocket science to know it's bad for everyone...still you "flaunt" it in every post you make.....as if snubbing ur nose...enuf said!

 

[hoichi]

backtracking....and false...

what is false?
show the error pls

.Dunno if ur reasoning/mentality was before or after being incarnated....and dunno what you were incarnated for, or how long....

we have been through that in other threads, further it is irrelevant here. where you have been or i have been has no bearing on this thread and what we are discussing. which is not me.

but ur disregard/dislike of laws is obviously flawed...

where is it flawed. quote me

.And like i said before...I know of someone whose mentality is basically the same as yours...it wasn't until he was incarnated for 12 years...."chip on ur shoulder"?...I dunno...but it's a good way to land right back in the slammer....

thank you rockin robin for your concern. i assure you im not heading back in any time soon, i fi do, will you write?

As for smoking...it's not rocket science to know it's bad for everyone...still you "flaunt" it in every post you make.....as if snubbing ur nose...enuf said!

(drags cigarette, inhales very deep and slow, exhales smoke in the shape of robins flaying away, so cute"

 

[Bebonang]

14 dead as Indonesian volcano erupts - CNN.com

omg! let's charge volcano with 14 counts of murder!

I wonder why they moved with their village close to the mountain which has volcano. It is the same in California where the homeowners put their homes on the cliff and that caused mudslides. They don't think about their safety in the first place.

The weather can cause a lot of disasters. That is sad.

 

[Bebonang]

Hoichi, you are the one who posts here the most about the not value rock. Here in the Southwest especially in Utah, we have red rocks and red landscape. It is sooo beautiful to look and see what make the formation so great. We, Native American, have a lot of respects for Mother Earth. The rocks are living and we were careful about taking care of our Mother Earth. Same with caves where there is pictographs on the walls that Native people drew to tell our history about animals and some about wars. They are precious and well taken care of. We can only look at it but not touch them. The boulder that was standing on top of rock has been there for centuries. They should have not touch it in the first place. It is natural the way it is. The boys or men if they are called as men should have report to the Rangers about it and asked if they can topple it over as it is getting weak. If not, then don't touch it no matter what. Other formations are there to be awed and admired in showing respect to nature. Red Earth which is found mostly near the mountains or part of the mountains are really awesome and they are incredible when the rocks including the boulders made formations which the former rivers (no longer there) had made them look like that.

It is the same with the Badlands in South Dakota where whites took away from Lakota and Dakota just because the miners or the prospectors wanted to find gold, but then never gave it back to them. The Lakota and Dakota view the Badlands as sacred and want to worship with their Medicine Wheel and also to carry out their own ceremonies. They are fighting to get that back, but the white people refused to give them back. They are still working on it.

All I have to say to you here is to show respect for the Red Earth. It is value.

May Grandfather Sky watch over Mother Earth.