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I did not bash her at all. You need go back read again and you will apologize to me.
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I did not bash her at all. You need go back read again and you will apologize to me.
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What is american value? I don't see that. All religion is welcome, but not christians. 10 student was suspended bec have Bible with them. ACLU support that idea. A girl who is muslim and has her religious symbols and also her clothing and prayed in her religion, she was suspended and ACLU sued the school for against her religion rights and she won. Mmm, american value, I don't see it that way. Its right there in the news. True, there are different religions, that is fine, but what I don't approve by respect all religions except christians. Bec we do have rights as much as others. Also, there were many complaintts, bec many company been filed suit by many bec the word merry christmas and should not say merry chrstmas. I say, it is tragic.
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JohnnyE said:
No, we won't
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JohnnyE... I saw you bashing YourMom about gays and lesbians... I feel bad for her as she is new in here.... You were very RUDE... I will not make any apology to you because i saw everything... I already reported to moderator...
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JohnnyE said:
Yes you did.... You told darkangel that her dying grandma that she need SALAVATION.. it was RUDE OF YOU.... darkangel is now grieving... you had no right to say that to her...
I will not make an apology to you at all....
darkangel s grandma did not want to take chemo... and want to be in the hospice.... she is ready to go and met maker... You are fake christian... you have no heart!!! You owe darkangel an apology!!!
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JohnnyE-
Wow! Thanks very much for this information!! That's very interesting!!
I don't label myself as to which regilious I am in. I am simply a christian.
I think Roman Catholic is way too much - I have heard so many rules that roman catholic made. I thought it was nuts!
I am simply a christian, I believe in God and Jesus completely and I believe in Bible and yes it is very, very hard to understand what the scriptures really mean.
God is SO WONDERFUL!!!!!!
DarkAngel-
I am sorry to hear about your dying grandmother of lung cancer. My Mom and Dad were heavy smokers for so many years and they chose to smoke as they really regretted. My mom had lung cancer for 10 months and my Dad had brain cancer for 10 months. Smoking caused my MOm lung cancer and smoking caused my Dad brain cancer. They made a BIG mistake for making a very bad decision. That was their fault as they admitted to me and my siblings. Smoking is TERRIBLE - THE WORST!! So, my parents TAUGHT many people about smoking so they taught them not to smoke, quit smoking.
Maybe God prefers for your grandmother to die from lung cancer because God needs your grandmother to teach others NOT to smoke and quit smoking. Smoking really hurts human bodies very badly. Either way your grandmother was a smoker or 2nd hand smoker. So, it's not fair to other people who got so sick like second-hand smokers, etc. It's not very funny at all! Or maybe your grandmother got lung cancer from environment so that way she teaches others to do something with the environments like chemicals, pollutions, etc. Right now, the air isn't good like ozone!!
I truly believe that God needs your grandmother to die of lung cancer. That's what God did to my parents as we prayed for my parents. Look at Peter Jennings....God allowed them to happen. I think it's a gift by God. What I mean is that I think God gives your grandmother a gift because He is using your grandmother to teach other people NOT to smoke.
Again, I am sorry about your grandmother but God has the reasons for her. God had reasons for my parents.
Wow, yes that's life....just the way the life is like. God knows your pains. Hang in there!
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And I never said that some weren't CLAIMING to be Christian. And you will never see people outright saying they hate Christianity. You know where I get the idea that liberals hate Christianity? The people LIBERALS vote in kick Christianity out of the places the founding fathers put it and liberals are sitting on their hand for it.
Tell the people who are waiting still for their Bibles to be returned here in Jacksonville.
YEAAAHHH.
Well, that must be a random law, because it is impossible to tell people to not respond to something like that. Jacksonville, we have 77 murder cases being investigated, and I can name several court cases where people have responded with things from shouting to jumping up and down. NONE OF THEM ended up in jail.I am opposed to people telling me that I am not allowed to read my Bible, but a Muslim is allowed to shake the Koran in my face. Jehovah's Witnesses (NOT CHRISTIANS) are allowed to come up to my door, but I am not allowed to talk to people in a mall about Christianity.
little fact, THE FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THEM THERE!!!!
cite? That ain't in any of my history books. Not even Traditions and Encounters, a secular college history book.
CITE!!!
I SAID MOST.
It is liberals influence. Trust me, it will not be long before it will be illegal for it to be posted. I give it two years.
Is it harrassment to come up to a door that doesn't say "no soliciting" and sell Avon? no. Then it shouldn't be harrassment to come up to the door and witness.
HMMM. CITE THAT ONE. BECAUSE I NEVER EVEN IMPLIED THAT. I said they were wrong, but I never said they weren't allowed to. I am saying that Christians and Muslims should.
Maybe you should check out the Declaration of Independence. The earliest legal document, signed by a large number of our founding fathers. It says God several times. REFUTE THAT!
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
— John Hancock
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott
New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
Momoftwo said:
2 Timothy 2:7
Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Well, at least God gives us understanding. A finite human cannot understand without the guidance of an infinite God.
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I have a cite on the national anthem and motto being changed.
The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum
in 1956 a lot of things got screwy, with the original intentions of the founding fathers there was no mention of any specific gods.
The words, "under God," did not appear in the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954, when Congress, under McCarthyism, inserted them. Likewise, "In God We Trust" was absent from paper currency before 1956. It appeared on some coins earlier, as did other sundry phrases, such as "Mind Your Business." The original U.S. motto, chosen by John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, is E Pluribus Unum ("Of Many, One"), celebrating plurality, not theocracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum
in 1956 a lot of things got screwy, with the original intentions of the founding fathers there was no mention of any specific gods.
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I am not being rude. I am telling Darkangel the bright holy truth and I will not apologize for telling the truth and I think the moderators will see that I have said nothing offensive and that I have been a true friend by telling the truth to her and her grandmother. Here is another tract for Darkangel and her grandmother to look at and think about and that is something that is between them and God alone.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0082/0082_01.asp
also please read this article which will help alots.
http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/#hate
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Also I would like to point out that the declaration just says God and creator, it makes no mention of specific god, they could mean pagan gods I mean, it was put in the context of natures God. And creator is extremely vague, and any mention of a god like figure is only done so twice, in such an important document if man is so below God do you not think that there would be more than two mentions of this God fella?
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Can you see the "air"?
Same idea with God...we can NOT see God.....we can NOT see air.
I mean can you see the wind air....can you see wind?
Believe in Him ..... trust in Him with your heart
Same idea with God...we can NOT see God.....we can NOT see air.
I mean can you see the wind air....can you see wind?
Believe in Him ..... trust in Him with your heart
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SxyPorkie said:
Ok....I hear you but I would like to end this and move on and discuss.
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Momoftwo said:
Can you see ghosts? No, and many people dont believe they exist.
Have you ever seen a UFO? Do you think they exist?
'humankind' Life on another planet?
There are plenty of things in this world that we dont see, and its not silly or absurd to not believe in them. Why should God be any different?
Likewise there are tons of things I do see that I refuse to accept or put faith in, for example I can see, touch, feel those crazy diet pills you see on tv, but I dont put much faith in them working. I can see that silly self vacuum 'the roomba' but something just tells me that it wont clean my floor like a good ol mop and bucket.
Seeing or not seeing something, shouldnt be your sole defense to prove somethings existence.
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SxyPorkie said:This thread should be locked..... JohnnyE had no respect for anyone ...
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This is America and we have free of speech. If you don't like reading here, then don't get too involved like too personal. Obviously, maybe you are looking for troubles. Don't borrow troubles. Just let it go. I don't find JohnnyE to be rude. He was just honest and helpful. Some people don't like to hear the facts. For instance, you don't like the facts from your doctor's opinions. The doctor wanted to help you. It is the same idea for JohnnyE that he wanted to help someone to understand better about christianity.
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Momoftwo said:This is America and we have free of speech. If you don't like reading here, then don't get too involved like too personal. Obviously, maybe you are looking for troubles. Don't borrow troubles. Just let it go. I don't find JohnnyE to be rude. He was just honest and helpful. Some people don't like to hear the facts. For instance, you don't like the facts from your doctor's opinions. The doctor wanted to help you. It is the same idea for JohnnyE that he wanted to help someone to understand better about christianity.
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Its no proven fact that beliving in ANY god or NOT believing in any god will imporove or harm your mental well being or physical state so, please when referring to such, do not call it a fact.
And you cant make a comparion between a doctor telling you solid facts about what is medically wrong with you, and your opinion that beliving in jesus will heal you.
Its an opinion, just like everything else.
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