Feds: Most States Failing To Meet Special Ed Obligations

[KarissaMann05]

Most deaf babies under hearing parents and they have no idea about deaf culture, also doctors give biased information too - say you can get CI and go to oral education - no more ASL.

Honest with you, I'm not happy about be deaf (I don't accept to identified myself as deaf) due to communication barrier and shaming by many people that see me as not normal, also Usher Syndrome make worse. I had CI and oral education but it didn't work out - I was very left behind from oral education so I had to take education with sign language.

The discrimination is still big issue after 25 years of ADA law and many deaf people are unemployed, but extremely high for deafblind (including Usher Syndrome). I don't want to depends on government money and trapping in warehouse. Similarly, the discrimination is still issue for black people after CRA passed in 1964, also there are some white people refuse to hire them so having anti-discrimination laws isn't working out but it may enable to sue someone to get money or give an employment.

Gallaudet isn't working out for me due to psychological issues (PTSD and possibly autism) so I prefer to take online courses but I don't have much passionate about future employment.

I'm sorry to know. Yeah, online colleges could work for you. Whatever you do that you think what's the best for you.

 

[deafdyke]

I'm sorry to know. Yeah, online colleges could work for you. Whatever you do that you think what's the best for you.

The trouble with THAT is that it's not nessarily the good marks that lead to employment... It's social skills. If it was about knoweldge and high marks Asperger's Syndrome and high functioning autism would have HUGE rates of employment....Yet they don't.

 

[Foxrac]

The trouble with THAT is that it's not nessarily the good marks that lead to employment... It's social skills. If it was about knoweldge and high marks Asperger's Syndrome and high functioning autism would have HUGE rates of employment....Yet they don't.

Not necessarily, there are many people take online courses and found jobs with good paying and decent benefits.

College life (dorm + cafeteria) is a lot easier if you are 17-18 years old.

My most challenging with job is due to deafness and Usher Syndrome, so autism isn't very huge factor, also mental illness like PTSD will make more difficult, depending on situation.

 

[deafdyke]

Central NC School for the Deaf is already closed long time, also they are talk about close other one - NC School for the Deaf and transfer all students to East NC School for the Deaf. It is cheaper to have 1 deaf school instead of 2-3. I can't recall about PA.

Alabama School for the Deaf adopted separated classes for CI with oral - that's new system - it is required by state regulation that give parents more choice.

Um no...ASD doesn't have a seperate track for oral. It has an oral preschool and kindergarten. Seperate track= includes grades. Like at Clarke, CID etc Like I know that some oral kids will attend an oral program early on, and then learn ASL as a second language, after their speech skills are sharpened.

 

[Foxrac]

Um no...ASD doesn't have a seperate track for oral. It has an oral preschool and kindergarten. Seperate track= includes grades. Like at Clarke, CID etc Like I know that some oral kids will attend an oral program early on, and then learn ASL as a second language, after their speech skills are sharpened.

I was former ASD student and you are trying to know about everything.

ASD already adopted oral education program in separated classes for students with CI who use full oral language - it is required by state and IEP to accommodate for students with oral who need more support that where hearing school won't help with everything. This program is new and adopted about few years ago.

If you have trouble with learning at hearing school so you will be sent to deaf school or place in special education class.

I'm very familiar with ASD but you disputed my claim. OMG!!!

 

[deafdyke]

Most deaf babies under hearing parents and they have no idea about deaf culture, also doctors give biased information too - say you can get CI and go to oral education - no more ASL.

Honest with you, I'm not happy about be deaf (I don't accept to identified myself as deaf) due to communication barrier and shaming by many people that see me as not normal, also Usher Syndrome make worse. I had CI and oral education but it didn't work out - I was very left behind from oral education so I had to take education with sign language.

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Um it's not about oral education. They're not even told about oral schools... they are just kneejerkingly placed in the local hometown school with a minimal accomondations approach

 

[Foxrac]

Um it's not about oral education. They're not even told about oral schools... they are just kneejerkingly placed in the local hometown school with a minimal accomondations approach

My old ENT doctor who implanted me, told my parents about CI will take me to oral education and abandon the sign language, but it didn't achieve as doctor advertised.

Minimal accommodation? That will be a big problem with federal law and parents could sue the school for violation of federal law like incident in Washington state.

 

[deafdyke]

You can thank to medical technology...

Oh well.

Karissa, no it's not about medical technology. I think it's more that they don't tell parents that they can do a full and complete toolbox approach, and they also don't tell parents about the Deaf Schools. It's really sad too.... I mean sure most dhh kids don't need a seperate K-12 education, but some aspects of a specialized education can be REALLY good....ie the early childhood programming, independent living with dorming it in middle/high school and so on......

 

[Bottesini]

Um it's not about oral education. They're not even told about oral schools... they are just kneejerkingly placed in the local hometown school with a minimal accomondations approach

Quit saying "um" in that dismissive way.

You are very misinformed in many areas, and it doesn't make you look smart when you keep trying to prevail by reiterating untruths.

 

[deafdyke]

I was student at deaf school and I didn't satisfied with overall education at deaf school so I found education is better at hearing school when I went to all classes with hearing students with ASL interpreters.

My math skills were improved a lot at hearing school so I passed Algebra 2 and math portion of graduation exam (AHSGE).

Hearing students take remedial classes? Sure if they don't go to college after graduation from high school or English score on ACT is lower.

Define better...... And YES, hearing students often take remedial education in college. There ARE lower tracks. Public/hearing school doesn't automaticly mean good...There's a lot of really crappy mainstream schools!

 

[deafdyke]

Not necessarily, there are many people take online courses and found jobs with good paying and decent benefits.

College life (dorm + cafeteria) is a lot easier if you are 17-18 years old.

My most challenging with job is due to deafness and Usher Syndrome, so autism isn't very huge factor, also mental illness like PTSD will make more difficult, depending on situation.

Well most of those people tended to probaly have already built in good social skills....... But for people with not so good social skills, straight As will not automaticly get a good job. Heck straight As are a dime a dozen.

 

[Calvin]

All schools is different, some do good in mainstream, some do good in Deaf school. It all depends on IEP, many mainstream schools don't have deaf program. Some Deaf schools are too far away from the family's home and mainstream with deaf program may be only choice for them to be closer to home.

It varies with every student's education program in every school and no school education is perfect.

Define better...... And YES, hearing students often take remedial education in college. There ARE lower tracks. Public/hearing school doesn't automaticly mean good...There's a lot of really crappy mainstream schools!

 

[deafdyke]

Like deaf and HoH, DS is part of disability class.

That's not true about women in southern states - they prefer to have child with DS over abortion, also it is very hard to get abortion here.

Yes, but it shouldn't be seperate since 95% of it is already under the umbrella of intellectucal disabilty. It's not a completely seperate dx from ID.

 

[deafdyke]

Special education isn't about one class size - it cover anything. If students in special education have capability to learn a normal subjects so they will sent to regular class with accommodation so special education support your case for accommodation as you take classes with hearing students.

There are some schools have class that designed for deaf and HoH - teachers are required to be certified to teach deaf and HoH students - it is required by state laws, but some schools broke law, that's problem, even in some cases, deaf school don't follow state requirement as well.

If you can't learn at all so you will stuck in one class with students who can't learn due to intellectual disability. If you can learn so you will send to regular classes with support from special education.

I was in special education at elementary school - the class for all deaf HoH students only.

You're missing my point. Our special ed system does a great job with educating high incidence disabilties, but not so good with educating dhh and other low incidence kids.... Many otherwise capable kids like dhh and b/lv (blind/low vision) are often shuttled to lower academic tracks in public/hearing schools..... Only a very small percentage of otherwise capable kids are on par...I think I read that only 20% of sped students are ID. The rest can be educated on par with hearing students.. But yet special ed and overall acheivement is very low. Most dhh kids are educated under an inclusion/AVT style approach (like AVT without the therapy) ...and yet academic acheivement with that group is very low.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes, but it shouldn't be seperate since 95% of it is already under the umbrella of intellectucal disabilty. It's not a completely seperate dx from ID.

Do you have source to support your claim about DS?

95% seems exaggeration.

 

[Foxrac]

Define better...... And YES, hearing students often take remedial education in college. There ARE lower tracks. Public/hearing school doesn't automaticly mean good...There's a lot of really crappy mainstream schools!

You can't blame on school - it is depending on teachers.

You don't look about ratio - there are high numbers of deaf students in remedial classes than hearing students - by ratio but that's not deaf student's fault because English is most difficult language, also lack of phonics are major factor for deaf people to do poor with English.

 

[Foxrac]

Quit saying "um" in that dismissive way.

You are very misinformed in many areas, and it doesn't make you look smart when you keep trying to prevail by reiterating untruths.

She was in mainstream school for rest of her childhood and never went to deaf school.

You and I were former student at deaf school but she disputed both of us.

 

[deafdyke]

I was former ASD student and you are trying to know about everything.

ASD already adopted oral education program in separated classes for students with CI who use full oral language - it is required by state and IEP to accommodate for students with oral who need more support that where hearing school won't help with everything. This program is new and adopted about few years ago.

If you have trouble with learning at hearing school so you will be sent to deaf school or place in special education class.

I'm very familiar with ASD but you disputed my claim. OMG!!!

I KNOW you're familiar with ASD. But a seperate oral track= a graded componet. Like Utah Schools for the Deaf and Blind has a graded actual TRACK, that includes grades for oral kids....but AIDB's oral program is limited to preschool and kindergarten.

 

[deafdyke]

You can't blame on school - it is depending on teachers.

You don't look about ratio - there are high numbers of deaf students in remedial classes than hearing students - by ratio but that's not deaf student's fault because English is most difficult language, also lack of phonics are major factor for deaf people to do poor with English.

Nevertheless, there ARE crappy mainstream schools....inner city, very rural (Appalachia, Indian reservations etc) Not all hearing schools are quality.
And? Most dhh kids were mainstreamed and are oral.....Only a small percentage attend Deaf Schools. So by your argument those dhh students should automaticly not be in remedial classes since mainstream schools are supposed to be so good.

 

[Foxrac]

Well most of those people tended to probaly have already built in good social skills....... But for people with not so good social skills, straight As will not automaticly get a good job. Heck straight As are a dime a dozen.

That's not true - there are a lot of students with autism are struggling with college so online courses is best incentive for them, also there are a lot of internship to assisting about how deal with social issues. There are some places like church is great place to socialize - please don't criticize on religion.

Are you encouraging me to stay at Gallaudet until graduation? I wouldn't alive if I did and the suicide risk is a lot higher when I lived in dorm and I had on-call CRE with DPS frequently, also Residence Life agreed with me that I will better off to live in house and take online course instead of staying at dorm. I had no support at all at college campus, also I left deaf school in 2005 after I found that live in dorm worsen my depression.

There is one problem - many employers have no heart about Americans with disabilities, including autism but there are some employers are sympathy about autism and disabilities, end up to hire someone with autism. The experience is biggest factor for employment, not social skill.

Do you have a job? If not so can you explain us about why you don't have job?