FBI wants to access your online etc.

shel90 said:
I am not worried. I got nothing to hide. I think they want to filter out the terrorists who are U.S. citizens not to spy on ordinary people. Maybe if they intercepted some messages between the Boston Marathon terrorists before the marathon, this tragedy would have never happened.

I am just a nobody on their radar.
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I thought you hated the Patriot Act?
 
shel90 said:
I am not worried. I got nothing to hide. I think they want to filter out the terrorists who are U.S. citizens not to spy on ordinary people. Maybe if they intercepted some messages between the Boston Marathon terrorists before the marathon, this tragedy would have never happened.

I am just a nobody on their radar.
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From what I been hearing on the news the government had enough info about the two brothers to had stopped them from carrying out the bombing.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
From what I been hearing on the news the government had enough info about the two brothers to had stopped them from carrying out the bombing.
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If that's the case, then they failed to used that valuable information to prevent this tragedy. However, I take what the media says with a grain of salt. The media says a lot of shit about teachers failing students but they don't know what really goes on in the classroom. Same with government agencies. We really don't know what happened. It is hard to decipher what's factual and what's not.
 
shel90 said:
If that's the case, then they failed to used that valuable information to prevent this tragedy. However, I take what the media says with a grain of salt. The media says a lot of shit about teachers failing students but they don't know what really goes on in the classroom. Same with government agencies. We really don't know what happened. It is hard to decipher what's factual and what's not.
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We do know that Russia warned us about them and that Saudi Arabia denied them entry.
 
TXgolfer said:
We do know that Russia warned us about them and that Saudi Arabia denied them entry.
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Oh...ok. then move to Russia or Saudi Arabia since they do a better job of catching terrorists. I don't know what you are trying to say here.
 
shel90 said:
Oh...ok. then move to Russia or Saudi Arabia since they do a better job of catching terrorists. I don't know what you are trying to say here.
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I'm saying they gave us the intel and our government basically ignored it.
 
Bob Beckel (Democrat Strategist) is pissed. Earlier on the 5 talking about the IRS and NSA..... "You talk about fascism, this is getting damn close to it"

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The Patriot act changed alot of things ... sure phone tapping has been done for years either it be legally or illegally done ... but the Patriot act gives government agencies the power to legally tap a phone without a warrent or court order saying so ... the thing with Verizon supplying info to the government or any other place for that matter is old news ... I've been with Alltel for years and they give out your info as well there was a class action against a company last year for misusing info supplied to them by Alltel ... I opted in the complaint and received a $40 check as a settlement as well as probably thousands of others did ... now ... if anyone remembers I think it was 2008 or 2009 Verizon bought Alltel out lock stock and barrel ... and split the company up .... for example ... Alltel stores in Arkansas were converted over to Verizon stores or closed down and the existing Verizon store took over ... in North Carolina they left them as Alltel ... east of me they re named them mid atlantic wireless or something like that ... but there ALL still owned by Verizon and under Verizon control so that means Alltel and the other companes would be providing its customers info to government as well ...
 
ncff07 said:
The Patriot act changed alot of things ... sure phone tapping has been done for years either it be legally or illegally done ... but the Patriot act gives government agencies the power to legally tap a phone without a warrent or court order saying so ... the thing with Verizon supplying info to the government or any other place for that matter is old news ... I've been with Alltel for years and they give out your info as well there was a class action against a company last year for misusing info supplied to them by Alltel ... I opted in the complaint and received a $40 check as a settlement as well as probably thousands of others did ... now ... if anyone remembers I think it was 2008 or 2009 Verizon bought Alltel out lock stock and barrel ... and split the company up .... for example ... Alltel stores in Arkansas were converted over to Verizon stores or closed down and the existing Verizon store took over ... in North Carolina they left them as Alltel ... east of me they re named them mid atlantic wireless or something like that ... but there ALL still owned by Verizon and under Verizon control so that means Alltel and the other companes would be providing its customers info to government as well ...
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As stated earlier these actions were provided for by a court order. It is even in the title of the article. Sensenbrenner, the author of the Patriot Act, says this action was not the intended purpose.
 
Unfortunately, there is no such thing as privacy with the technology we have... Big Brother is watching everywhere. If someone has nothing to hide, then they wouldn't worry about having a target on their back. :)
 
as i understand it certain words that are used like for instance 'semtex' automatic pick up of your number name etc
 
TXgolfer said:
I'm saying they gave us the intel and our government basically ignored it.
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no we didn't. they gave us a piece of vague intel that led to nowhere. in other word.... a vague piece of intel among millions of other irrelevant/relevant pieces on daily basis. basically.... everyday - an intel department receives one giant haystack of all kinds and has to filter out which is relevant or a viable threat and then link it to previous haystack from yesterday or last week or last year or whenever. and beside.... the Russian didn't share much.

repost from other thread - http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/111360-tsarnaev-brothers-investigation-3.html#post2181017
(CNN) -- The FBI and the CIA are being criticized for not keeping better track of Tamerlan Tsarnaev in the months before the Boston Marathon bombings. How could they have ignored such a dangerous person? How do we reform the intelligence community to ensure this kind of failure doesn't happen again?

It's an old song by now, one we heard after the 9/11 attacks in 2001 and after the Underwear Bomber's failed attack in 2009. The problem is that connecting the dots is a bad metaphor, and focusing on it makes us more likely to implement useless reforms.

Connecting the dots in a coloring book is easy and fun. They're right there on the page, and they're all numbered. All you have to do is move your pencil from one dot to the next, and when you're done, you've drawn a sailboat. Or a tiger. It's so simple that 5-year-olds can do it.

But in real life, the dots can only be numbered after the fact. With the benefit of hindsight, it's easy to draw lines from a Russian request for information to a foreign visit to some other piece of information that might have been collected.

Opinion: Agencies often miss warning signs of attacks

In hindsight, we know who the bad guys are. Before the fact, there are an enormous number of potential bad guys.

How many? We don't know. But we know that the no-fly list had 21,000 people on it last year. The Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, also known as the watch list, has 700,000 names on it.

We have no idea how many potential "dots" the FBI, CIA, NSA and other agencies collect, but it's easily in the millions. It's easy to work backwards through the data and see all the obvious warning signs. But before a terrorist attack, when there are millions of dots -- some important but the vast majority unimportant -- uncovering plots is a lot harder.

Rather than thinking of intelligence as a simple connect-the-dots picture, think of it as a million unnumbered pictures superimposed on top of each other. Or a random-dot stereogram. Is it a sailboat, a puppy, two guys with pressure-cooker bombs or just an unintelligible mess of dots? You try to figure it out.

It's not a matter of not enough data, either.

Piling more data onto the mix makes it harder, not easier. The best way to think of it is a needle-in-a-haystack problem; the last thing you want to do is increase the amount of hay you have to search through.

The television show "Person of Interest" is fiction, not fact.

There's a name for this sort of logical fallacy: hindsight bias.

First explained by psychologists Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky, it's surprisingly common. Since what actually happened is so obvious once it happens, we overestimate how obvious it was before it happened.

We actually misremember what we once thought, believing that we knew all along that what happened would happen. It's a surprisingly strong tendency, one that has been observed in countless laboratory experiments and real-world examples of behavior. And it's what all the post-Boston-Marathon bombing dot-connectors are doing.

Before we start blaming agencies for failing to stop the Boston bombers, and before we push "intelligence reforms" that will shred civil liberties without making us any safer, we need to stop seeing the past as a bunch of obvious dots that need connecting.

Kahneman, a Nobel prize winner, wisely noted: "Actions that seemed prudent in foresight can look irresponsibly negligent in hindsight." Kahneman calls it "the illusion of understanding," explaining that the past is only so understandable because we have cast it as simple inevitable stories and leave out the rest.

Nassim Taleb, an expert on risk engineering, calls this tendency the "narrative fallacy." We humans are natural storytellers, and the world of stories is much more tidy, predictable and coherent than the real world.

Millions of people behave strangely enough to warrant the FBI's notice, and almost all of them are harmless. It is simply not possible to find every plot beforehand, especially when the perpetrators act alone and on impulse.

We have to accept that there always will be a risk of terrorism, and that when the occasional plot succeeds, it's not necessarily because our law enforcement systems have failed.
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