Family wants to keep life support for girl brain dead after tonsil surgery

Bebonang said:
To me, it is really disturbing what the family members trying to claim that she is alive. I find it hard to swallow. **shaking my head** :(
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No one can know the pain the family goes through when a loved one goes in for routine surgery and things go horribly wrong, it's much worse when children are involved. I understand about the financial concerns but I'm not in a position to judge anyone. If they believe she's making progress then I can understand why they would want her on life support. I know I wouldn't want to exist in that state; these situations are always tragic and heart wrenching for everyone involved.

Laura
 
From Calvin's latest link:

Updated posted by latasha spears-winkfield 2 months ago
Im so sorry about not giving any new updates, I was locked out of this account :-( Once again thank you all for supporting Jahi and most importantly praying for her. Jahi is still sleep but physically stable! No pic lines, no catheters, no I.V, she maintains all her vitals on her own, no medicines needed. I am giving her lots of vitamins and fish oil thru her feeding tube. She moves around so much that we have to put pillows around her bed. She responds to pain, cold and touch. She can turn her head from left to right and her ventilator is set to room air so she is not getting any extra oxygen like she was before. Her skin is flawless and she gets a mani and pedi every week done by me (mom) She gets physical therapy three times a week and never has a stiff joint! All organs are healthy and fully functional! She is such a fighter! Remember she didnt get any nutrition for 28 days from the other hospital and she recovered from that quickly. Prayer is so powerful! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I tell Jahi everyday about all the love and support she has been receiving from people all over the world. I am truelly amazed by your kindness. God bless you all
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With brain-dead, how is that possible? :hmm:
 
Lau2046 said:
No one can know the pain the family goes through when a loved one goes in for routine surgery and things go horribly wrong, it's much worse when children are involved. I understand about the financial concerns but I'm not in a position to judge anyone. If they believe she's making progress then I can understand why they would want her on life support. I know I wouldn't want to exist in that state; these situations are always tragic and heart wrenching for everyone involved.

Laura
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I had an aunt and uncle that was in the same situation , they had only one child , a son who was 18 yo and they decided they did not to keep alive b/c their son would never be the same , he had a spinal cord injury from a diving accident . I feel they did the right thing for their son. It did break the dad heart , he dies a few days before his son.
 
It's because certain functions of the body are brain stem functions. Others are not, they get the stimulus, send a message to the spinal cord, and a response is sent without it going to the brain. I think they are seeing responses where there really are none or are incorrectly interpreting the responses that she does give.
 
Eater of Worlds said:
It's because certain functions of the body are brain stem functions. Others are not, they get the stimulus, send a message to the spinal cord, and a response is sent without it going to the brain. I think they are seeing responses where there really are none or are incorrectly interpreting the responses that she does give.
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Yeah, I believe she made it up. Just her words without video evidences.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Yeah, I believe she made it up. Just her words without video evidences.
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If I made this up then every story on this post is made up including your b /c no one else had posted any video evidences to back their story up about their family. You're sure are crazy after all.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
If I made this up then every story on this post is made up including your b /c no one else had posted any video evidences to back their story up about their family. You're sure are crazy after all.
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If I were her, I would show a short video to the world that the girl is making progress and the doctors at the first hospital are dead wrong.

I remember that the mom reported that she saw her girl responding somehow before transported to an unknown location. The doctors were asked by news reporters if that's true. They said no and didn't know why she said that. Oh well, it's up to her if she wants people to believe her. Like Bebonang said, she finds it hard to swallow. Me, too. Let's move on...
 
LoveBlue said:
And DOCTORS have been known to be WRONG!!


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Not in the case of being diagnosed brain dead. There have been no cases of where doctors diagnosed a patient as brain dead and coming back.
 
MangaReader said:
Not in the case of being diagnosed brain dead. There have been no cases of where doctors diagnosed a patient as brain dead and coming back.
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Yes, that's correct, the doctor just follow the medical criteria to declare the brain dead, usually state regulation.
 
First, the Children's Hospital doctors diagnosed the girl as brain dead... after the heart wrenching decision and arguing with the doctors, the family took the hospital to the court. The court appointed a specialist from different Hospital to give it a test. The test remains the same and declared her brain dead. The family fought in court to keep the girl "alive" and keep the ventilator going. When the court sets the expiration date for the ventilator to be legally turned off, the family scrambled to find a place that can care for her and in the last minute they were able to take her to a undisclosed place.

In this case, the CHO is not wrong about the diagnosis... since we do not know what happened in the room after the surgery. Whether the doctors botched it or the family did. The family was told not to eat or drink anything shortly after the surgery, the early article in this thread indicates that the girl was thirsty and family gave her something. We only heard the family's side of story... but due to the privacy laws the Hospital can't disclose what happened in the room.

LoveBlue said:
And DOCTORS have been known to be WRONG!!


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Calvin said:
First, the Children's Hospital doctors diagnosed the girl as brain dead... after the heart wrenching decision and arguing with the doctors, the family took the hospital to the court. The court appointed a specialist from different Hospital to give it a test. The test remains the same and declared her brain dead. The family fought in court to keep the girl "alive" and keep the ventilator going. When the court sets the expiration date for the ventilator to be legally turned off, the family scrambled to find a place that can care for her and in the last minute they were able to take her to a undisclosed place.

In this case, the CHO is not wrong about the diagnosis... since we do not know what happened in the room after the surgery. Whether the doctors botched it or the family did. The family was told not to eat or drink anything shortly after the surgery, the early article in this thread indicates that the girl was thirsty and family gave her something. We only heard the family's side of story... but due to the privacy laws the Hospital can't disclose what happened in the room.
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Do you mean that she was fine (alive) after surgery until she drank or ate something?
 
However, as her family watched, Jahi began bleeding profusely, the blood on her gown matching the pink popsicle she held in her hand. The bleeding went on for several hours before she went into cardiac arrest and was medically declared brain dead on December 12.
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Remember the Humanity of Jahi McMath

CrazyPaul said:
Do you mean that she was fine after surgery until she drank or ate something?
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It appears she is fine til the popsicle she had. :dunno:
 
Calvin said:
Remember the Humanity of Jahi McMath



It appears she is fine til the popsicle she had. :dunno:
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For example, in 2008 Zack Dunlap was declared brain-dead after an ATV accident based on exactly the same criterion offered in Jahi’s case: a PET scan revealed that he had no blood flowing to his brain. His body was prepared for organ harvesting, but alert family members were able to elicit behavioral signs that showed he was anything but brain dead. Forty-eight days later, Zack walked out of a rehab center and went home.


Colleen Burns was another example of how fallible a medical diagnosis of brain death can be. Admitted to a hospital in Syracuse, New York, after a drug overdose, she, like Zack Dunlap, was declared brain dead and prepared for organ harvesting. She woke up on the operating table shortly before the operation began, and was discharged shortly thereafter.
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Wow, if that's true, then some doctors can be wrong!

Anyway, I remember reading that she had another health problem which her parents didn't disclose when they signed in the agreement before surgery. That's how it happened, I think.
 
It's unlikely the public will know the truth on what actually happened, only the doctors and family in the room knows the truth.


CrazyPaul said:
Wow, if that's true, then some doctors can be wrong!

Anyway, I remember reading that she had another health problem which her parents didn't disclose when they signed in the agreement before surgery. That's how it happened, I think.
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Calvin said:
It's unlikely the public will know the truth on what actually happened, only the doctors and family in the room knows the truth.
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Well, any surgery can be risky so that's why doctors need to know our medical history first before surgery. For example, if you need a surgery on your shoulder and you have a liver disease or high blood pressure, a surgeon will not operate on you until you get a pre-surgery medical clearance. Nevertheless, hospitals are still protected against lawsuits when a patient/parent/guardian signs the agreement before surgery.

You are right about confidentiality. When I have time, I will look up what the doctors said to the public after she is declared brain-dead. I believe that they were in news conferences a few times.
 
Having popsicles after surgery like that is normal. It's a limited amount of liquid that she's swallowing at a time, it's cold which can aid in comfort, and it's part of the "only liquids" diet that people have to follow after surgery like she had. I heard from various sources that she was given bits of hamburger that someone had brought in, but I don't know how true that was. I also heard that her mother and another relative did suctioning when she started bleeding instead of running to get a nurse to have the nurse do it (and I could have sworn the mother said this herself, in a complaint that there were no nurses around while she was in recovery. Given my experiences in recovery, I highly doubt there were no nurses around). They said she started bleeding very badly after they did the suctioning, so they may have triggered the worsening bleeding themselves or delayed her care themselves but there's no way for the public to know this.

I also get annoyed when her procedure is described as simple, when it was far from that and she had much more than a basic tonsillectomy.
 
I've heard that too.

Eater of Worlds said:
Having popsicles after surgery like that is normal. It's a limited amount of liquid that she's swallowing at a time, it's cold which can aid in comfort, and it's part of the "only liquids" diet that people have to follow after surgery like she had. I heard from various sources that she was given bits of hamburger that someone had brought in, but I don't know how true that was. I also heard that her mother and another relative did suctioning when she started bleeding instead of running to get a nurse to have the nurse do it (and I could have sworn the mother said this herself, in a complaint that there were no nurses around while she was in recovery. Given my experiences in recovery, I highly doubt there were no nurses around). They said she started bleeding very badly after they did the suctioning, so they may have triggered the worsening bleeding themselves or delayed her care themselves but there's no way for the public to know this.

I also get annoyed when her procedure is described as simple, when it was far from that and she had much more than a basic tonsillectomy.
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