Fake Sign Language Interpreter at Nelson Mandela memorial

markengland29 said:
Bad idea. Hearing voices and hallucinating in front of 95,000 people doing that and wanting to become friends? I wouldn't suggest it.
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You don't want to be friends with people who have mental/psychiatric disorders that cause them to express themselves inappropriately?
 
amylynne said:
You don't want to be friends with people who have mental/psychiatric disorders that cause them to express themselves inappropriately?
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Most are okay, but those who take advantage of the disabled or are a danger to themselves or others I am more catious about. I have a friend who DOES express himself inappropriately, and I put up with it, but now I'm starting to get tired of it, and becoming a little strict with his way of saying things, because I want a good and fun time, and not ruin someone's thread or post with offensive comments or something, which is why I try to keep my language clean and civil here. If I can't do that, then I stay out. I have to watch my boundaries, and know my limits as to what I can and cannot say or post.
 
And for the record-- I wasn't speaking about AD members being a danger to themselves or taking advantage of the disabled. That was my speaking of the world in general. Sorry for not being clearer.
 
What I was getting at was your focus.

If I interact with a disabled person who treats me rudely, and I want to make a disparaging comment about them, I comment about their rudeness, not their disablity.

If someone from a particular ethnic group commits a crime, and I want to gripe about it, I gripe about the crime, not the ethnicity.

If I were myself disabled or from an ehtnic group with a history of drawing derision, (or whatever the non-condemnable aspect of the person behaving condemnably) I would expect even more ability/motivation on my part as far as distinguishing between the two.
 
markengland29 said:
Nah. I'm okay. I don't expect thanks. I knew it would come out eventually, and truth be told I didn't even know if someone else had already done so or not, but when I posted it and checked, I was surprised to be the first one, despite the fact it had been shown the night before I posted it.
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Many of us have real lives that mean we can't jump on-line immediately to post breaking news. That doesn't mean we aren't aware of what's happening.
 
Reba said:
Many of us have real lives that mean we can't jump on-line immediately to post breaking news. That doesn't mean we aren't aware of what's happening.
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Oh really? By the way, those are cute glasses. ;)
 
Reba said:
Many of us have real lives that mean we can't jump on-line immediately to post breaking news. That doesn't mean we aren't aware of what's happening.
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Right, Some of us have TV at home, like me. i saw news on TV in the around 4 to 5 am to check out there first. So Some of us knows that soemone will post the news going on here. so we just lay down and chilling drink some coffee or hot tea or hot cocoa or MILK! :D
 
amylynne said:
What I was getting at was your focus.

If I interact with a disabled person who treats me rudely, and I want to make a disparaging comment about them, I comment about their rudeness, not their disablity.

If someone from a particular ethnic group commits a crime, and I want to gripe about it, I gripe about the crime, not the ethnicity.

If I were myself disabled or from an ehtnic group with a history of drawing derision, (or whatever the non-condemnable aspect of the person behaving condemnably) I would expect even more ability/motivation on my part as far as distinguishing between the two.
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I don't discriminate. I'm quite open-minded, yet focused on what I'm saying, because I try to focus on the subject itself and not the person. If a person were rude to me here, I wouldn't just comment right off the bat; I'd carefully figure out how to word it, so as not to rile too many people. I AM motivated, and how I motivate myself is quite unusual-- you see, someone once told me to expect the unexpected, and that's allowed me to quickly adjust my schedule at moment's notice, and keep moving. I am constantly on my feet, and I do try to plan ahead of time, but sometimes the unexpected happens, and I have to adapt, and quickly, and I've gotten quite good at it.
 
A South African deputy Cabinet minister says "a mistake happened" in the hiring of a sign language interpreter for the Nelson Mandela memorial service who experts say was signing gibberish on stage next to world leaders.

The Deputy Minister of Women, Children and People with Disabilities (Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu) said Thursday that government officials have tried to track down the company that provided Thamsanqa Jantjie (tam-SAHNG-kah shawn-TEE-leh) but that they "have vanished into thin air."

The deputy minister apologized to deaf people offended around the world by what they say was the interpreter's incomprehensible signing.

She says an investigation is under way to determine how the interpreter received a security clearance.

Jantjie stood gesticulating three-feet from U.S. President Barack Obama and others who spoke at the ceremony that was broadcast around the world. He tells The Associated Press he had visions of angels coming into the stadium and was trying not to panic because he was surrounded by armed policemen.

Jantjie insists he was doing proper sign-language interpretation of the speeches, but also apologized for his performance.

SAfrica: 'Mistake' made hiring Mandela interpreter - WTOP.com
 
markengland29 said:
I don't discriminate. I'm quite open-minded, yet focused on what I'm saying, because I try to focus on the subject itself and not the person. If a person were rude to me here, I wouldn't just comment right off the bat; I'd carefully figure out how to word it, so as not to rile too many people. I AM motivated, and how I motivate myself is quite unusual-- you see, someone once told me to expect the unexpected, and that's allowed me to quickly adjust my schedule at moment's notice, and keep moving. I am constantly on my feet, and I do try to plan ahead of time, but sometimes the unexpected happens, and I have to adapt, and quickly, and I've gotten quite good at it.
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nono. You're massively missing my point.

You had said, "Hearing voices and hallucinating in front of 95,000 people doing that and wanting to become friends? I wouldn't suggest it."

While there's lots to complain about with regard to this guy, I thought it was off that you were connecting his schizophrenic symptoms with the notion that it's not a good idea to become friends with him. Moreso because you suffer from Tourrette Syndrome. I would have expected more sensitivity about mental disorders and people who struggle with them.

Again, there's plenty to condemn this guy for. Putting himself in a position where an entire deaf community was depending on him for information when he knows he may be unable to deliver, then not being sufficiently horrified at what he'd done, or coming forward (as far as I know), etc. I'm not defending the guy. I'm looking at the way you chose to specifically point to his psyche disorder as a reason for your negative comments.
 
Chevy57 said:
A South African deputy Cabinet minister says "a mistake happened" in the hiring of a sign language interpreter for the Nelson Mandela memorial service who experts say was signing gibberish on stage next to world leaders.

The Deputy Minister of Women, Children and People with Disabilities (Hendrietta Bogopane-Zulu) said Thursday that government officials have tried to track down the company that provided Thamsanqa Jantjie (tam-SAHNG-kah shawn-TEE-leh) but that they "have vanished into thin air."

The deputy minister apologized to deaf people offended around the world by what they say was the interpreter's incomprehensible signing.

She says an investigation is under way to determine how the interpreter received a security clearance.

Jantjie stood gesticulating three-feet from U.S. President Barack Obama and others who spoke at the ceremony that was broadcast around the world. He tells The Associated Press he had visions of angels coming into the stadium and was trying not to panic because he was surrounded by armed policemen.

Jantjie insists he was doing proper sign-language interpretation of the speeches, but also apologized for his performance.

SAfrica: 'Mistake' made hiring Mandela interpreter - WTOP.com
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Also: "The AP showed Jantjie video footage of him interpreting on stage at the Mandela memorial service.
"I don't remember any of this at all," he said."


This part: is...he...serious?? He insists he signed properly and yet claims he doesn't remember any of it. I call BS.
 
Steinhauer said:
Was he signing gibberish then too? I don't know SASL

if so ... then his schizophrenia defense gets blown out of the water no?
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I heard there was only one sign that was real and ironically it was 'Help'.

The guy said he was seeing angels and was trying to not freak out . I want know why there was no background check on the guy . Here he was standing right to The president and others world leaders and no one know a thing about him . :shock:
 
markengland29 said:
Now that's not cool. Who wants to start a petition to make 'em realize we don't like that?
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I uses to watch the Today show, not anymore and one time one of woman reporter took her shoes off under the desk and Al Roker said "It smell like
Chinese food in here." I thought of was in real poor taste.
 
shel90 said:
Once you create a thread, it becomes public as AD is a public forum. With the Internet, info goes viral FAST.
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That is true ,I had came across threads from AllDeaf while trying to look for info . This is why people should not put their whole names and phones # on a thread .
 
markengland29 said:
I doubt any of those famous people would care much, except for the fact that the guy breached security and made himself an international scapegoat. As for me, I'm happy being me. However, I'm pretty sure AD people are thankful I brought this to their attention. At the very least, I discovered something worth posting for once.
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You would have to be living under a rock to not know about this. It has been all over the news and it's still be showed on the news today.
 
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