Explosions at Boston Marathon finish line

[VacationGuy234]

That makes sense. No time to get a search warrant from a judge while the criminal is around killing people in a house somewhere. I doubt that those residents even complained about it.

I'm sure there were some who were uncomfortable. However, I'm sure those cops were not looking for anything other than the suspect who killed a brother officer.

I'm actually VERY surprised they took him alive. That's the politics side of it. If it had been anyone else, he would have been dead.

 

[Frisky Feline]

I am glad that hes alive. We would have something to get some conquences from him.

 

[VacationGuy234]

What has been bothering me about this whole thing, how did the government truly know in the early days of what happened that there was no outside link? That there was no other country behind it?

I know we have a lot of people who work on this, whole agencys, but big agencys also work slow. Even to get blood work done, it takes time.

It makes me wonder if we don't have an ace in the whole such as Bin Leiden not really being dead or something.

It's amazing that, in less than a week, with the guy having been out of the country, we could make such a determination.

 

[NitroHonda]

No, they can only search if there is a real threat. They can't just come to someone's house and search it, there must be an imminent public safety issue.

EDIT: A guy who is throwing bombs, hijacking cars and has killed innocent people would certainly rise to that level, I think. Personally, I think it was overkill, but it is what it is.

The people in Jiro's video were doing nothing but munching down on some Cheetos watching Pawn Stars. What did they do to warrant being held at gunpoint, being forcibly removed from their homes, and then being frisked down? Say what? It was never "declared"but marital law just got put to the test in Boston. Just like the Coast Guard so-called "tactical practice" on unsuspecting citizens.

You say they can only search "if". I say they can make "if" be anything. I am very wary of history which has shown time and time again that once a citizen gives up their rights, they are subject to death, forced labor, or deprived of whatever it may be. No matter how MENIAL one may think it is. It adds up into something nasty.

If people don't believe that they can do whatever the hell they want during a "state of emergency" then I don't know what to tell them other than to dub 'em sheeple.

Make no beans about it... this has been one increasingly consistent nature of powerful governments. The Gestapo's stripping America one incident at a time.

 

[CrazyPaul]

OnHand — Pictures of Tsarneav Brothers Shootout In Watertown, MA

 

[Jiro]

As I said, "In exigent circumstances, or emergency situations, police can conduct warrantless searches to protect public safety. This exception to the Fourth Amendment’s probable cause requirement normally addresses situations of “hot pursuit,” in which an escaping suspect is tracked to a private home. But it might also apply to the events unfolding in Boston if further harm or injury might be supposed to occur in the time it takes to secure a warrant. A bomber believed to be armed and planning more violence would almost certainly meet such prerequisites.

Furthermore, police may enter a private residence to provide emergency assistance to an occupant—which may include apprehending a suspected terrorist who also happens to be inside. And if they plan to make an arrest in someone’s home, they can undertake a “protective sweep” of the dwelling first to confirm that no weapons or accomplices are stashed away where they can do damage later."

Boston bomber manhunt: Is the Watertown door-to-door search by police for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev legal? - Slate Magazine

it doesn't meet the definition of "exigent circumstances".

just FYI - the writer has no legal expertise or any kind of expertise in this subject.

 

[Foxrac]

has there been a case where a crazed shooter got a gun from gun show?

uh... no you can't. and neither can I. I've been to gun shows in upstate NY and they can't sell guns to me unless if done thru FFL.

and it does very much matter who. so has there ever been a case where a lunatic got a gun from gun show? let's face it - nobody.

That why I didn't include gun shows in my post because I'm not concerned about gun shows due to your statement and none of massacre events got firearm from gun shows.

Yes, the gun shows, especially vendors run the background check for buyers, even no matter if it isn't part of federal law.

 

[Jiro]

Except the cop told him to turn off his phone, not his camera.

I think you're reading a lot more into this than what he actually said.

I'm just saying that the cop didn't say he was gonna threaten to kill the reporter.

Besides, the cop didn't prohibit the reporter from reporting his quote, did he?

his quote doesn't mean anything. capturing his illegal? action in video (such as killing a bomber who has already surrendered) would earn him a pulitzer prize.

 

[Beowulf]

Someone remarked to me that live terror drills were being conducted at the precise location of the detonations at the Boston Marathon. Same thing with a few other events, either on location or very close, such as the 9/11 World Trade Center, London Subway Bombings 7/7/05, Oklahoma City bombing, The Estonia Catastrophe (852 dead), Sandy Hook Elementary School, Aurora Colorado Batman Shooting, Taft Union High School 1/10/13...Spooky.

 

[Jiro]

scary (look at the hummer on left side) -

 

[Reba]

The people in Jiro's video were doing nothing but munching down on some Cheetos watching Pawn Stars. What did they do to warrant being held at gunpoint, being forcibly removed from their homes, and then being frisked down?

You tell me. Why did the police hold them at gunpoint and remove them from their homes? For what nefarious reason did the police do that?

Say what? It was never "declared"but marital law just got put to the test in Boston. Just like the Coast Guard so-called "tactical practice" on unsuspecting citizens.

What did the Coast Guard do to unsuspecting citizens? You still haven't explained this "tactical practice" nor explained how that practice is an example of martial (not marital) law.

 

[Reba]

I'm just saying that the cop didn't say he was gonna threaten to kill the reporter.

Good.

his quote doesn't mean anything. capturing his illegal? action in video (such as killing a bomber who has already surrendered) would earn him a pulitzer prize.

Maybe, maybe not. However, did any of that happen?

 

[VacationGuy234]

The people in Jiro's video were doing nothing but munching down on some Cheetos watching Pawn Stars. What did they do to warrant being held at gunpoint, being forcibly removed from their homes, and then being frisked down? Say what? It was never "declared"but marital law just got put to the test in Boston. Just like the Coast Guard so-called "tactical practice" on unsuspecting citizens.

You say they can only search "if". I say they can make "if" be anything. I am very wary of history which has shown time and time again that once a citizen gives up their rights, they are subject to death, forced labor, or deprived of whatever it may be. No matter how MENIAL one may think it is. It adds up into something nasty.

If people don't believe that they can do whatever the hell they want during a "state of emergency" then I don't know what to tell them other than to dub 'em sheeple.

Make no beans about it... this has been one increasingly consistent nature of powerful governments. The Gestapo's stripping America one incident at a time.

I have not seen the video so I can't comment on it.

However, you cannot obstruct an officer from doing their job. If that means being held under gunpoint, it is an action that could be taken.

It cannot be anything, it must be a threat were there is a lot of potential for harm, e.g someone has been killed in the area.

Something on this scale is extremely rare, however, house to house searches are nothing new. It happens whenever someone is holed up in a building. This was just a much larger scale of it.

I'd be the first to say rights are being stripped away. However, there is never going to be a time when an individual right is going to trump collective protection. It's the reason we have a society instead of tribal lawlessness. It's the reason we choose to come together as a group to solve the problems within our group, since before the time of Babylon this has been the case.

The truth is, you can't believe the Sunday school version of laws, it's much more complicated than, "I have the right". Yes, you have a right, but then there is context and circumstance of the crime. It's not that simple. And, those rights will only be questioned after the fact. This is not a fault of America, it's how every civilized society works.

 

[Jiro]

Good.

Maybe, maybe not. However, did any of that happen?

maybe. maybe not.

let the conspiracy theory begins. ah! good to see you again, beowulf!

 

[NitroHonda]

I have not seen the video so I can't comment on it.

However, you cannot obstruct an officer from doing their job. If that means being held under gunpoint, it is an action that could be taken.

It cannot be anything, it must be a threat were there is a lot of potential for harm, e.g someone has been killed in the area.

Something on this scale is extremely rare, however, house to house searches are nothing new. It happens whenever someone is holed up in a building. This was just a much larger scale of it.

I'd be the first to say rights are being stripped away. However, there is never going to be a time when an individual right is going to trump collective protection. It's the reason we have a society instead of tribal lawlessness. It's the reason we choose to come together as a group to solve the problems within our group, since before the time of Babylon this has been the case.

The truth is, you can't believe the Sunday school version of laws, it's much more complicated than, "I have the right". Yes, you have a right, but then there is context and circumstance, of the crime. It's not that simple. And, those rights will only be questioned after the fact. This is not a fault of America, it's how every civilized society works.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8]Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes - YouTube[/ame]

 

[NitroHonda]

You tell me. Why did the police hold them at gunpoint and remove them from their homes? For what nefarious reason did the police do that?

Thank you for correcting me on the martial spelling but it could go either way!! Lol.

There has to be a nefarious reason? How about... trust us, we're the government.

I get the feeling that they view this as an opportunity to exploit the public safety exemption. They think they can get away with it in this case because of public sentiment and set a precedence going forward.

Let them get away with it once .... they do it again without concern for the actual law. To me, this begins to set a dangerous precedent where every time there's a hint of terrorist activity, we're going to allow a martial law area to be declared. As that happens over and over again, we could eventually drift into a situation where we're on continual alert and continually in a military law situation. I don't expect that to happen but... this is another step in that direction. It's all about "conditioning" the public to accept this kind of booey.

This may be an open and shut case but that doesn't make it any different from any other murder(s) other than the amount of people involved. Follow the procedure laid out by our great Constitution. We can hang him from the flag pole on the steps of the court house when its over.

What did the Coast Guard do to unsuspecting citizens? You still haven't explained this "tactical practice" nor explained how that practice is an example of martial (not marital) law.

I'm sure you knew about these exercises but just in case...

"conducting training exercises over Miami and elsewhere in the county. The exercise includes military helicopters firing machine-gun blanks while flying over highways and buildings. This YouTube video shows helicopters strafing highways with blank rounds near the Adrian Arts center. There are reports of similar actions in Houston From the Houston article: 'if you see the helicopters or hear gunfire, it's only a drill.'"

Machine Gun Fire From Military Helicopters Flying Over Downtown Miami - Slashdot

 

[Jiro]

You tell me. Why did the police hold them at gunpoint and remove them from their homes? For what nefarious reason did the police do that?

we will know much later.... just like illegal gun confiscation in New Orleans.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Transcript of Boston terror suspect's first hearing

 

[VacationGuy234]

Transcript of Boston terror suspect's first hearing

Thank you, for posting this.

 

[VacationGuy234]

Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes - YouTube

Thanks, I'll view it when I get home. I know several people who were in Watertown for the search. As far as the people I know, nobody complained about it.

Also, you should look at the video's of people celebrating the police later in the evening, it went on for quite a while.