Explosions at Boston Marathon finish line

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Thats one way, how many kids are cop? That is how black market monster using them... They don't like deal with adult if they don't know who they really are but kids. LOL no problem.

Jiro said:
it's Boston. give a kid $20 and he'll hook you up :lol:
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Jiro said:
right but not in this case. a lot has changed since then from the first case.
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I see your point.

But, people also thought a lot had changed when it was ruled putting Japanese Americans in camps was illegal too. Many of those Japanese men served with distinction during that war and are only now getting due credit for it. It can certainly happen again, if not with camps then monitoring bracelets.

I think, in every case, now and in the future, protection of society will always trump individual and collective rights, it always has and always will.
 
diehardbiker said:
He is right, its part of miranda rights.

The only exemption I could think of is if he was in military system which I highly doubt it.
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in this case - the federal government had invoked "public safety exemption" which I've never heard of and I'm sure just about all Americans have never heard of it either.

What are the Boston suspect's legal rights? - CNN.com
Does a suspect have to be read Miranda rights?
Law enforcement officials only have to Mirandize a suspect if they intend to use his statements at trial. In the Tsarnaev case, however, the federal government is invoking the public safety exception, a Justice Department official told CNN on condition of anonymity. It's a designation that allows investigators to question a suspect before apprising him of his rights when they believe there is an imminent public safety threat.

The public safety exception dates back to a 1984 case, New York v. Quarles. Its most recent interpretation dates back to a 2010 memo by the Obama Justice Department, and it was explained in a 2011 FBI bulletin.

"When police officers are confronted by a concern for public safety, Miranda warnings need not be provided prior to asking questions directed at neutralizing an imminent threat, and voluntary statements made in response to such narrowly tailored questions can be admitted at trial," the bulletin read.
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this case will be a very interesting legal study because of martial law, public safety exemption, and the role of federal government in terms of legality. I'm sure we will find several incidents where the government (local, state, federal) has broken the laws and at the same time - the government will improve on it and establish new laws/protocols with a clearer view. I pray that the government will not pass some secret laws that would circumvent the law.
 
Police officer involved in Boston manhunt expected to survive after doctors replenish his entire blood supply
Published April 22, 2013
| FoxNews.com

A Boston police officer involved in the manhunt for the Boston marathon bombing suspects was shot and wounded so badly that his heart stopped for 45 minutes, and he lost his entire blood supply, the Los Angeles Times reported. Fortunately, he was fully resuscitated and transfused with entirely new blood, and doctors said Sunday that he is coming out of sedation and expected to recover.

Richard “Dick” Donohue Jr., a 33-year-old police officer for the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority, responded to a call Friday morning asking for assistance at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, where officers had reported a shooting. When Donohue got out of his car, he exchanged gunfire with the suspects before a bullet hit his right thigh – severing his femoral vein and artery.

Donohue then began to bleed out, and his pulse was lost for more than 45 minutes.

“CPR was started in the field, and he required a prolonged resuscitation that started at the scene and at our emergency room,” Dr. David Miller, a critical care doctor at Mount Auburn Hospital in Cambridge, said during a hospital briefing.

As Donohue bled, doctors were able to replenish him with units of donor blood simultaneously – allowing for a nearly equal exchange of blood. Miller said doctors were eventually able to stop the bleeding and save the officer’s right leg. By the time the bleeding had stopped, Donohue had lost his entire blood supply and had been transfused with entirely new blood.

Donohue remained in the hospital’s ICU Sunday in stable but critical condition. Currently, he cannot speak but he is able to wiggle his toes and squeeze fingers, the Los Angeles Times said.

Doctors remain “cautiously optimistic” that Donohue will fully recover.

Donohue’s younger brother Edward Donohue, a patrolman with the Winchester, Mass., police department, said he has been waiting by his brother’s bedside with the rest of his family – including Richard’s wife, Kim, and their 6-month-old son, Richie.

“As a brother, fellow officer and American, I cannot describe the pride I felt in what Dick and other officers did that Friday morning,” Edward said during the hospital briefing.
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Read more: Police officer involved in Boston manhunt expected to survive after doctors replenish his entire blood supply | Fox News
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I see your point.

But, people also thought a lot had changed when it was ruled putting Japanese Americans in camps was illegal too. Many of those Japanese men served with distinction during that war and are only now getting due credit for it. It can certainly happen again, if not with camps then monitoring bracelets.
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that would be silly and impractical if we can't even do that well with our own prisoners.

VacationGuy234 said:
I think, in every case, now and in the future, protection of society will always trump individual and collective rights, it always has and always will.
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yes and that's why we will improve on it to ensure that it will not happen again like New Orleans gun confiscation.

This Boston Marathon Bombing is a testing ground for us all.
 
Both that officer and the one who died graduated from the Acadamy with my nephew.

Krystal Campell, was the manager of the restaurant where I usually eat dinner. Her funeral is today in Medford.

It's going to be a long road back for a lot of people.
 
Has anyone found out more about the Mercedes driver? I've heard some things that I can't confirm yet.
 
What the bomber's classmates say about him:

Bombing suspect attended UMass Dartmouth, prompting school closure; college friend shocked by charge he is Boston Marathon bomber - Metro - The Boston Globe

For Jiro:

"...Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had done well academically in high school, but The New York Times reported that he was failing many of his courses at UMass Dartmouth. The Times said a school transcript showed seven failing grades over two semesters in 2012 and 2013, including Fs in Principles of Modern Chemistry, Intro American Politics, and Chemistry and the Environment. According to the transcript, Tsarnaev got a B in Critical Writing and a D and D-plus in two other courses...."

Not exactly a pre-med genius.
 
diehardbiker said:
Another evidence why gun control isn't going to help much.

Where he got it from? One thing for sure.... Black Market.
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Did he passed the background check? If so, he could get from other state, without background check, it could be private arm deal (or private online).

or from their families.
 
good thing he failed the chemistry test. If he had done very well with chemistry, then his bomb will even more lethal. Those who excel in physics and chemistry are likely to know how to build better bombs.

One of ADers thinks all fertilizers are explosive, not necessarily true. I have fertilizer here but it was not graded as explosive. I was only interest in quick rot the tree stump faster without blowing it up and kill baby tree. Some of fertilizers needs to mix with few other chemicals to make it explosive.

Reba said:
What the bomber's classmates say about him:

Bombing suspect attended UMass Dartmouth, prompting school closure; college friend shocked by charge he is Boston Marathon bomber - Metro - The Boston Globe

For Jiro:

"...Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had done well academically in high school, but The New York Times reported that he was failing many of his courses at UMass Dartmouth. The Times said a school transcript showed seven failing grades over two semesters in 2012 and 2013, including Fs in Principles of Modern Chemistry, Intro American Politics, and Chemistry and the Environment. According to the transcript, Tsarnaev got a B in Critical Writing and a D and D-plus in two other courses...."

Not exactly a pre-med genius.
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diehardbiker said:
good thing he failed the chemistry test. If he had done very well with chemistry, then his bomb will even more lethal. Those who excel in physics and chemistry are likely to know how to build better bombs.

One of ADers thinks all fertilizers are explosive, not necessarily true. I have fertilizer here but it was not graded as explosive. I was only interest in quick rot the tree stump faster without blowing it up and kill baby tree. Some of fertilizers needs to mix with few other chemicals to make it explosive.
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indeed :Ohno:

however - you don't really need to do well in those courses since you can simply google it to find instructional manual on bomb-making. if you can easily follow thru an IKEA manual, then you can easily build yourself a pressure-cooker bomb.

but yes - knowing chemistry and physics well would definitely increase and maximize casualty rates and destructive power. :Ohno:
 
Reba said:
What the bomber's classmates say about him:

Bombing suspect attended UMass Dartmouth, prompting school closure; college friend shocked by charge he is Boston Marathon bomber - Metro - The Boston Globe

For Jiro:

"...Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had done well academically in high school, but The New York Times reported that he was failing many of his courses at UMass Dartmouth. The Times said a school transcript showed seven failing grades over two semesters in 2012 and 2013, including Fs in Principles of Modern Chemistry, Intro American Politics, and Chemistry and the Environment. According to the transcript, Tsarnaev got a B in Critical Writing and a D and D-plus in two other courses...."

Not exactly a pre-med genius.
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B in critical writing? lol, I'm doing much better than him - I got 100 A on critical writing in sociology course.
 
diehardbiker said:
good thing he failed the chemistry test. If he had done very well with chemistry, then his bomb will even more lethal. Those who excel in physics and chemistry are likely to know how to build better bombs.

One of ADers thinks all fertilizers are explosive, not necessarily true. I have fertilizer here but it was not graded as explosive. I was only interest in quick rot the tree stump faster without blowing it up and kill baby tree. Some of fertilizers needs to mix with few other chemicals to make it explosive.
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We don't know the reason for his low grades. Maybe he just didn't turn in assignments or show up for class. :dunno:
 
Understand that, and I do not know real story behind, or whether he is really guilty or not. Only time will tell.

Reba said:
We don't know the reason for his low grades. Maybe he just didn't turn in assignments or show up for class. :dunno:
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