Ex. Prez Carter Says Racism Factor In Opposition To Obama.

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shel90 said:
If people feel that they have to tiptoe around him because he is black, then they must be racist themselves. Otherwise, why the need to walk on eggshells?
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They reason critics of the President have to "walk on eggshells" is because when they do criticize something Obama does they get accused of being racist.
 
darkdog said:
Jimmy Carter said an "overwhelming portion" of the animosity is based on racism. That's not exactly in agreement with President Obama's statements.

By the way, I agree with the president that there are some people out there who don't like having a black man in the White House. The white supremacist groups probably aren't too happy about it. Some of them may be responsible for a few of the uncouth signs at the protests. In any large gathering, it's inevitable to have at least a few people with racial animus, but at least they're so marginalized and insignificant that they have no sway over the movement as a whole. On the other hand, the people I listed have a national stage on which they make their unfounded exaggerations to exploit racial sensitivities in an attempt to punish opponents of their agenda. Thankfully, their attempts are failing miserably because, well, most people just aren't as dumb as they are.
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I don't think the overt ones are the people that Cater was referring to. It is the more covert and unconscious form.

I keep asking the same questions, but have yet to receive an answer from anyone. When Clinton was campaigning toward health care reform in past years, did you see anyone parading around with signs of her dressed as a witch doctor or sporting a Hitler-esque mustache? When Bush spoke to school children, when Regan spoke to school children, do you remember public outcries of "indoctination" from parents, and people keeping their children home from school as a result? When FDR campaigned for social security, did people take to the streets shouting "Marxist!" and "Socialist!"

The vast majority of what Obama has done in office is not so very different from the very things done by past presidents. It is the intensity of the reaction that is so different. It is the deliberate lies being perpetrated that is so different. It is the selfishness and greed that is so apparent that is different. It is the ad hominem attacks that are so different. Even during Nixon's presidency, and all of his sordid history and lack of public support, it did not get this ugly.

That is not to say that all of the intensity and the outright hatred we are seeing is solely based on racism. But it most certainly is a variable that has added explosiveness to the situations.
 
Maria said:
Well, that's because SOME people don't believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. Some people think that his birth certificate could be a fake. It's possible that Obama paid the hospital to use a fake birth certificate to protect his identity/birthplace.

Is it true that he is an actually American ? If, yes then why did he screw our country ? He screwed economy, health care, GMC, banks, mortages (houses), and everything. People complaint about him. More and more protesters are against him, because they don't believe him that he will make our country improve and better. More people die due to no health insurance, because of him changin' health care. People can't afford. Obama should leave people's health care alone as it was before he became President... why screw now ??
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Oh, GAWD! Not another birther. :roll: How many times does something have to be proven to be a lie?

How did he screw the economy after being in office for only 9 months. The economy was already screwed before he ever got elected. And according to the most recent figures, it is on the upswing.

Yes, people die because of no health insurance. That is what he is trying to change. Make sure that everyone has health insurance so no more people have to go without needed medical care. Your remarks make no sense at all.
 
Wow.......
agreed jillio
Goes to show how people blaming Obama for everything. The economy started melting Oct. 2008.....elections Nov. 2008......so how is it his fault.......this administration is the one which tried to save GM, etc....tried to stop a major depression and run on the banks.
Every pres has it's protesters.....we just have alot of problems and they want to blame him as though a president has a magic wand.
Hospital taking a bribe? Putting itself at risk like that?
That is quite a stretch.
someone feeding this lady sillyness info. geez.
it shows the desperation.

jillio said:
Oh, GAWD! Not another birther. :roll: How many times does something have to be proven to be a lie?

How did he screw the economy after being in office for only 9 months. The economy was already screwed before he ever got elected. And according to the most recent figures, it is on the upswing.

Yes, people die because of no health insurance. That is what he is trying to change. Make sure that everyone has health insurance so no more people have to go without needed medical care. Your remarks make no sense at all.
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Cowpuppy said:
Wow.......
agreed jillio
Goes to show how people blaming Obama for everything. The economy started melting Oct. 2008.....elections Nov. 2008......so how is it his fault.......this administration is the one which tried to save GM, etc....tried to stop a major depression and run on the banks.
Every pres has it's protesters.....we just have alot of problems and they want to blame him as though a president has a magic wand.
Hospital taking a bribe? Putting itself at risk like that?
That is quite a stretch.
someone feeding this lady sillyness info. geez.
it shows the desperation.
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FYI, no body feeds me sillyness information. I am just sayin' that SOME people doubt about him (Obama). That's all.
 
If people feel they don't need insurance they get fined for not having health insurance which is a tax in of itself. Talk about making a classic but dumb move after making promises not to raise taxes on middle and lower income groups. What a nice lie.
 
If you want to make quotes on him....he also said he would work on a health care plan........
you conveniently left that out...as is your way.
so...people voted for him with this rhetoric out in the open.

kokonut said:
If people feel they don't need insurance they get fined for not having health insurance which is a tax in of itself. Talk about making a classic but dumb move after making promises not to raise taxes on middle and lower income groups. What a nice lie.
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sorry no offense...bad choice of word. yes many people have thier doubts.
the economy did start going bad before he started though.

Maria said:
FYI, no body feeds me sillyness information. I am just sayin' that SOME people doubt about him (Obama). That's all.
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jillio said:
They don't. Nor do they send insured clients overseas for surgeries. You are the one that made the claim. I am simply pointing out that your article does not support your claim in any way.:roll:
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That's entirely incorrect. More and more insurance companies are considering doing this while a few insurances do pay for flights and other associated costs as an incentive for the insured to go abroad for medical surgeries. Surgeries or procedures done outside of the United States are markedly cheaper in many countries.

Paying Workers to Go Abroad for Health Care - WSJ.com

Medical Tourism - one answer to rising health care costs?

http://www.patientsbeyondborders.com/downloads/barrons090709.pdf

For big surgery, Delhi is dealing: Medical tourism soars as Americans seek major savings on health care in hospitals abroad

Southern Medical Journal


Yizuman was and still is correct. :cool2:
 
Cowpuppy said:
If you want to make quotes on him....he also said he would work on a health care plan........
you conveniently left that out...as is your way.
so...people voted for him with this rhetoric out in the open.
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Well, chaos started last year when the campaign started before Obama was elected to become a President. I remember very well about Vice President Biden mentioned somethin' about Obama that there was goin' to be a major change... umm, somethin' about Obama that he will be put on a test. How would Vice President know about all this ?? Sounds like Biden already knew that it will happen BEFORE Obama became a President. :hmm: And, also it sounds like every higher-up leader created their own plan for all this to cause, because this is WHAT they want and Obama is keepin' their plans AFTER he became a President. Obama already KNEW waaaay before all this happen. He knows. He was a Mayor in Chicago before and had all this experience what it was like. And, now he is a President to change everything like their plans were. What Constitution is gonna do for American citizens ? Some of Amendments aren't workin' anymore. American citizens gave away their freedoms way too much for "protection and safety" -- American citizens are already conditionin'.

I believe that the mandatory will increase for almost everythin'. American citizens MUST do this or that ...fine/jail them, if they refuse. I think it is insane. Obama wants to gain more power.
 
What he 'knew' before he was president??? If he wasn't president yet then he did not have powerto do anything.
Also...the comment...'Obamawill be tested' I think was referring to he will be tested in foriegn policy. Wars etc. Or tested on a racist issue.

Maria said:
Well, chaos started last year when the campaign started before Obama was elected to become a President. I remember very well about Vice President Biden mentioned somethin' about Obama that there was goin' to be a major change... umm, somethin' about Obama that he will be put on a test. How would Vice President know about all this ?? Sounds like Biden already knew that it will happen BEFORE Obama became a President. :hmm: And, also it sounds like every higher-up leader created their own plan for all this to cause, because this is WHAT they want and Obama is keepin' their plans AFTER he became a President. Obama already KNEW waaaay before all this happen. He knows. He was a Mayor in Chicago before and had all this experience what it was like. And, now he is a President to change everything like their plans were. What Constitution is gonna do for American citizens ? Some of Amendments aren't workin' anymore. American citizens gave away their freedoms way too much for "protection and safety" -- American citizens are already conditionin'.

I believe that the mandatory will increase for almost everythin'. American citizens MUST do this or that ...fine/jail them, if they refuse. I think it is insane. Obama wants to gain more power.
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jillio said:
I don't think the overt ones are the people that Cater was referring to. It is the more covert and unconscious form.
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jillio said:
I keep asking the same questions, but have yet to receive an answer from anyone. When Clinton was campaigning toward health care reform in past years, did you see anyone parading around with signs of her dressed as a witch doctor or sporting a Hitler-esque mustache? When Bush spoke to school children, when Regan spoke to school children, do you remember public outcries of "indoctination" from parents, and people keeping their children home from school as a result? When FDR campaigned for social security, did people take to the streets shouting "Marxist!" and "Socialist!"

The vast majority of what Obama has done in office is not so very different from the very things done by past presidents. It is the intensity of the reaction that is so different. It is the deliberate lies being perpetrated that is so different. It is the selfishness and greed that is so apparent that is different. It is the ad hominem attacks that are so different. Even during Nixon's presidency, and all of his sordid history and lack of public support, it did not get this ugly.

That is not to say that all of the intensity and the outright hatred we are seeing is solely based on racism. But it most certainly is a variable that has added explosiveness to the situations.
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I remember people calling Hillary Clinton a socialist. I doubt there were any witch doctor signs, but I thought we were talking about the covert racism that Jimmy Carter knows must be there. The sign is wrong and probably the result of the few outright racists or some morons who lack any good taste, but it's hardly proof of widespread unconscious racism. The Hitler mustache Obama signs are from LaRouche Democrats who are upset because they want single-payer now. The Democrats did criticize Bush's speech to school children to the point of demanding a GAO investigation into its legality after the fact. I don't know if any of FDR's critics painted him as a Marxist or a socialist. I can't blame anyone for thinking Obama might have socialist tendencies. After all, his voting record was to the left of a self-avowed socialist in the Senate, Bernie Sanders. Personally, I don't think he fits the definition of a socialist. I think he believes government is the answer to all problems and he wants to centralize as much power in Washington as possible using whatever means is most politically expedient. As such, I think a more general word- statist- is a good description.

Now that I've answered your questions, I should point out that they aren't all that relevant. Yes, you can pick out things where the opposition's reactions are different than they've been in the past (or only perceived as such). However, at the same time, I can point out numerous conditions that are unique and different from the past that would lead to the reactions we see today. Sure, the Clintons proposed similar legislation in the 90s (with similar unpopularity), but today, we have TARP, historically high deficits, majority government ownership of GM and Chrysler, a non-stimulating $787 billion stimulus, already existing entitlement programs going bankrupt, economy-crushing cap and trade, etc.. Health care reform is happening with all these other things in the backdrop. Did Bush send out a study guide with the creepy suggestion that teachers have kids write letters about how they can help the President (something which concerned my sister who holds no racial animus, overtly or covertly)? Did the Clintons try to push through an overhaul of a gargantuan and hugely complex sector of the economy in a matter of weeks before anyone could actually understand it? Did they repeatedly lie about it being deficit neutral? Did the political elites malign everyday Americans coming out to oppose the reform by calling them un-American, evil-mongers, brown shirts, the mob, astroturfers, etc.?

Times are different. Things change. As such, reactions to those things change and there's enough going on to reasonably explain those reactions without having to jump to racism as a significant factor (especially since much of the anger is directed towards non-black figures such as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid). Doing so ignores Occam's razor. The more relevant question is this: If Hillary Clinton were president doing the exact same things, would the reaction be the same? Although one would have to look into an alternate universe to know for sure, I think it would. I know for sure my reaction would be the same. Probably the only reaction that would be different would come from the other side- instead of yelling "Racists!!!" they'd be yelling "Sexists!!!"
 
Maria said:
Well, that's because SOME people don't believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. Some people think that his birth certificate could be a fake. It's possible that Obama paid the hospital to use a fake birth certificate to protect his identity/birthplace.

Is it true that he is an actually American ? If, yes then why did he screw our country ? He screwed economy, health care, GMC, banks, mortages (houses), and everything. People complaint about him. More and more protesters are against him, because they don't believe him that he will make our country improve and better. More people die due to no health insurance, because of him changin' health care. People can't afford. Obama should leave people's health care alone as it was before he became President... why screw now ??
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You are very incorrect about Obama being solely responsible for all of that.
 
Reba said:
They reason critics of the President have to "walk on eggshells" is because when they do criticize something Obama does they get accused of being racist.
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If these people know deep inside down that they arent racist, then why worry?
 
sallylou said:
Lighthouse, it's true that secondary public school teachers cannot teach these subjects
"in depth." They would be accused of "indoctrinating" the students. It's not that teachers don't want to teach these concepts but the system (politics) prevent it. There's a serious lack of critical thinking in our public schools.

You may be younger than I am. I got an excellent public school education. Things have changed.
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i would agree with that, the fear of teaching the wrong ideas, censoring gone amonk, but also people who owns (in power) do not wish the masses to become 'too enlightened' for the so-called democracy could become 'real democracy' is any bourgeoises' nightmare.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Thank god 1980's was over! I couldnt believe that i had a huge hairdo! I loved 1970's though.
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photo? if you too shy send me a PM lol the 80's yeah i have memorys of the late 80's and early 90's with long back hairs and a huge punk-rock spikes in the mid-90s (now thats wrong timing lol but truly rebelious)
 
Lighthouse77 said:
I guess because people have different opinions of how it happened and don't always agree with history book interpretation of it. But anyway, it seem to work for liberals because most people my age is liberal anyway.
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i agree with the first part of your quote but for the latter id be inclinded to think not, because so many likes to think they are liberal, or even if their is a slant of it, but the core is the same - they aren't always what they seem. People are social creatures, they will act on what is "generally acceptable" on social perception of a particular time or tread. Whether it is sophistication or cavalier expressions of how we dress, all the way to popular thoughts about politics. Discussing attitudes can mean to look at how we perceive social issues is shaped by some kind of "double standards" usually elected to when to be covert or overt depending on the tensions rising which is exactly what is happening about the squabble of racism and american politics at present.
 
shel90 said:
If these people know deep inside down that they arent racist, then why worry?
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Yup but just ignore full of her fantasy stories, everything isn't possible.
 
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