EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Fragmenter]

 

[Cloggy]

Cloggy and Boult... I'm a sensitive man and I'm worse than Dick Vermeil at press conferences but I admit that I wasted 25 years raging against logic.

I go where my heart is.

*edit*

My logic was an illusion of the propaganda I grew up in and I find it extremely ironic that I'm a mirror image of a small percentage who grew up orally.

Sensitive...
.......I guess you'll be a wreck when you start talking with your son... talk about emotional!!

 

[Cloggy]

How true....

Why is it that a lot of people here are assuming I said things I never said? Methinks they don't read my posts.

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[gnulinuxman]

I really don't understand your problem with the use of devices to address challenges. Using your logic I could say to a person in a wheelchair that by using a wheelchair they are sidestepping the challenges and wanting to be "normal". A CI or hearing aid is merely a tool to help us address the challenges in a better way. For someone who has emphasized that a CI doesn't make a deaf person hearing you seem to also argue that having a CI "changes" you. This is contradictory.

No, it changes the way most hearing people look at you. They look at you like you are a hearing person. Seriously. "Normal" people have an idea of what a wheelchair allows you to do and what you can't do if you're confined to one. But these same "Normals" think CI's are the magic cure for deafness and make deaf people hearing. So they treat them like hearing people. But faced with a deaf person who doesn't have an implant, they think "Deaf can't do this; deaf can't do that; no way will I hire a deaf person...." so these thoughts cloud their judgement.

Anyway Gnu I really don't know why this issue is so personal to you for someone who is hearing and unlikely to get a CI. Every time I visit this forum I see your name at the bottom - you must be spending hours here. I think it has become an obsession. Just go and relax and spend time with your fiancee down by the lake, mountain or wherever that is nice where you live.

Because most of my best friends are deaf and we care about people's rights.

 

[gnulinuxman]

So hearing aids provides a way of walking around obstacles, too? Some deaf people can't benefit from hearing aids, you turd.

Name-calling won't get you anywhere.

About hearing aids: I feel the same way about hearing aids as I do about cochlear implants. Which is: I don't give a care who uses them. What bothers me is people telling me I have to have an either/or attitude because you think I'm against all users of CI's.

Let's take walking canes from the elderly to make them really overcome the obstacle of walking with their 80 year old knees. Let's pull wheelchairs out under the paralyzed. Let's smash the prescription eyeglasses so the visually impaired will overcome obstacles the good old fashioned way. You're a tool, GNU.

Cochlear implants don't bother me. You only think they bother me.

 

[gnulinuxman]

Bizarre doesn't even begin to describe you :jaw:
You. Don't. Have. A. Clue. You've officialy offended my mother and you're now in my black book.

Wondering if I care....NOPE!!!
You two have offended me very harshly in the time you have been members of this forum with very strong personal insults. I have offended you with what, um, logic??? Facts?

 

[R2D2]

No, it changes the way most hearing people look at you. They look at you like you are a hearing person. Seriously. "Normal" people have an idea of what a wheelchair allows you to do and what you can't do if you're confined to one. But these same "Normals" think CI's are the magic cure for deafness and make deaf people hearing. So they treat them like hearing people. But faced with a deaf person who doesn't have an implant, they think "Deaf can't do this; deaf can't do that; no way will I hire a deaf person...." so these thoughts cloud their judgement.
Because most of my best friends are deaf and we care about people's rights.

To be honest when contemplating whether to get a CI or not the subject of what hearing people think of me never came into it. If they are inclined to think I'm "normal" because I use a device so what? It's their problem not mine. I'm getting a CI for my own needs only. If I have trouble hearing or communicating I let the hearing people know and for the most part they have been very happy to accommodate me. I do not often have a "Huh? are you deaf or something?" reaction.

I think that spurning a device just so you can avoid being "normal" (whatever that is) is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It is so 1968 radical studenty - "let's protest against the system" etc.

For the rest of us it's real life. We just do what is best for us and our circumstances. It's not about trying to be "normal" (whatever that is) it's about making use of tools and solutions that make our day to day lives easier.

 

[R2D2]

from my experience, you are wrong. It's not a way of walking around them.

Will you ask the Artinians Family the question "Did CI help you overcome the obstacles?" Will their answer be "no, it is a way of walking around them?"

Wait till you see the new documentary!

Having a CI is a way to overcome the obstacle not to walk around them.

Having a interpreter is not a way to overcome the obstacle but walk around them. because with interpreter, you don't go from a to b, you have to go from a to interpreter then finally to b and back.

Having some training in oral deaf education under my belt, it does help me overcome some obstacles now coupled with CI. It lowered lots of obstacles for me but not completely.

NOW you still don't know what you are talking about. It is safe to say that my ASSUMPTION is that you have been hearing alot about deaf culture from your finance and this board. Now there are plenty of us, ci users on this board who is telling you directly what we already experienced as a ci users. we look at what you said over the time and shake our head in disbelief. Also we have told you what have experienced as what oral deaf education have given us in the past. Like for example fragmenter telling what his wife can do then you dismiss his story.

I am sure you will dismiss my stories too like for example before I had CI, I had to use pen and paper to from time to time to converse with my brother, the oldest one in his 50's. I don't write but he does. now after I got my CI, he only write the word that I don't know the pronunciation to it that's it so I would say 95% of time, no paper and pen at all even in noisy setting.

Seeing is believing and hearing is believing..

I suggest you stick to your own world and enjoy your life with finance and she will know that you will be the only to save her from harm if she fail to hear something dangerous because you are hearing.

My family is overjoyed that I could chat with them without pestering them "what did he or she or you say" that I did with HA (because it wasn't powerful enough to put me in the 0-40dB range)

Now that with CI, it put me in 30-40dB ranges, I could hear all those lings sound that I haven't with HA. that's overcoming the obstacles!

I suggest you step back and leave us alone and let others ask me question without you stepping in and rile us up with false assumptions about CI or Oral approaches. Unless you learn more about them by researching and meet more CI users or mainstreamed folks. I don't mean those who are negative like sweetmind is. I mean those who think positive more often than sweetmind does.

From all the post I see of yours, you are negative person except in area of deaf culture. that's all.


Wow, I am rambling.. sorry folks, I'll let you have your turns on this thread. **stepping down the soapbox**

Moderators, lock this threads. We need a fresh threads full of positive than this one because sweetmind fails to reply to one of moderator's question to see if she want this thread locked. I'll second it.

Excellent post Boult!

 

[R2D2]

*DISCLAIMER*
If you haven't read all my posts here, don't waste time replying to me.

My family and I had a wonderful talk on VP tonight. I told them that I've decided to receive a cochlear implant only if I'm able to benefit from it. It is for reasons I shouldn't even have to explain but if you must know: I yearn to dance lovingly with my wife to beautiful music. I want to be a true knight in shining armor to my wife. I want to hear my wife and our children's voices as well as the world's many voices. Those reasons are only the tip of the iceberg.

We also agreed that Sweetmind and the others do have good intentions but they are misguided.

Wow - what a big decision! I wish you well with the testing. Wanting to dance with your wife is a lovely reason and I guess also that if they did find that you might get some benefit from a CI it would be nice for your son as well, being able to identify with his daddy in one more way.

 

[Bear]

Yeah, I've worked as a busboy at a bar & grill, dishwasher at Denny's, cleaner at Six Flags, assembled food at Taco Bell, delivered pizzas for Papa John's and so forth. I know what I can and can't do.

I feel that I get along with the hearing people as well as any deaf person without oral skills. I know I can't work as a server at the bar & grill and at Denny's. I defintinely know I'm not allowed to man rides controls at Six Flags. I know I can't take orders at the register at Taco Bell unless the customers were deaf. I don't understand how hearing people can explain clearly their food orders to a non-oral deaf person at the cash register. Can you elaborate on that for me, please?

I also wonder about the non-oral deaf person selling alchol -- were he/she a bartender? How do they know what kind of cocktail drink was ordered? I mean, there are thousands of different drinks sold each night at a bar.

I'm not asking you these questions in jest, I just want to learn something new if it's really new.

Anyway, yes, most jobs should be open to the deaf but unfortunately there are deaf people who makes a bad impression on the employers that they unconsiciously don't hire the next deaf applicant. I know this for a fact.

Ok let me tackle these questions one at a time. First of all, I worked at Cedar Point as well and yes there were deaf people working as cashiers and taking food orders. Ever hear of pointing to the menu for exactly what you want?

There are ways around every obstacle. And no I have yet to see a deaf bartender. I am talking about a cashier selling alcohol at a grocery store. But, if I were to see a deaf person selling drinks at a bar it wouldnt be hard to do. You make up a menu of the different drinks and have the people point to the drinks they want. It was done at Cedar Point and I am sure it would be doable there too. As for the ride attendants yes there were deaf working those too, although they did not *control* the ride all they did was check safety harnessess. Like I did say there were some jobs I agree that a deaf person should not be doing due to safety issues. But, in fact there are WAY WAY too many jobs we can do that are simply closed to us because a hearing person decided we couldnt. Hate to say this but wtf is up with that?


Lol there were deaf waiters around here for Cedar Point season and they do quite well. You would be suprised at how open the hearing communitity is on working with us if only more *hiring* bosses would be willing to give us a chance. The hearing communitity at large generally doesnt care if we can hear them or not. They will do anything to help us understand what it is they want.

One night I was working and my hearing aid broke. Well needless to say, by this time all my customers knew I was deaf, so if they were ordering cigarrettes, they simply showed me a pack of their brand and that was that, no problems.

There are ways around things and most of the people I have ever met in the hearing communitity was only too happy to *accomodate* our deafness. Even for those that couldnt speak were treated with respect.

Instead of the I cant attitude us deafies tend to get, we need to get an I can attitude and maybe then more doors will open for all of us.

Thanks,
Bear

 

[gnulinuxman]

Er...what does your statement have to do with the price of eggs?

If you imply that Greema is too old to understand deafness, you look quite ridiculous (that was a safer word than another I had in mind) as she is deaf and has been all her life. If you are not implying that, do you care to explain your "faux pas".

No, the point was that age does not necessarily equal wisdom. She tried using her age to prove she was smart enough about something, but age and intelligence are unrelated.

 

[gnulinuxman]

Cloggy and Boult... I'm a sensitive man and I'm worse than Dick Vermeil at press conferences but I admit that I wasted 25 years raging against logic.

By name-calling?

 

[gnulinuxman]

To be honest when contemplating whether to get a CI or not the subject of what hearing people think of me never came into it. If they are inclined to think I'm "normal" because I use a device so what? It's their problem not mine. I'm getting a CI for my own needs only. If I have trouble hearing or communicating I let the hearing people know and for the most part they have been very happy to accommodate me. I do not often have a "Huh? are you deaf or something?" reaction.

I think that spurning a device just so you can avoid being "normal" (whatever that is) is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It is so 1968 radical studenty - "let's protest against the system" etc.

For the rest of us it's real life. We just do what is best for us and our circumstances. It's not about trying to be "normal" (whatever that is) it's about making use of tools and solutions that make our day to day lives easier.

TOTALLY missed my point again. It isn't about using that to decide whether to get implanted.

 

[R2D2]

TOTALLY missed my point again. It isn't about using that to decide whether to get implanted.

Your original point was that having a CI changes you because it changes the reaction of hearing people to deaf people with a CI. My point is that I could care less about the reaction of hearing people to me since the CI is for my benefit not theirs.

And if I or anyone else changes - so what?

 

[R2D2]

Bear,

I do understand the point you are trying to make. I agree that if there were no devices in the world that deaf people could get by and improvise. It's nothing to do with our ability or intelligence. However they would be somewhat much restricted to the type of roles that you mentioned in your examples because the reality is that the hearing world demands good communication skills for more skilled work. In my field of training, accounting I just would not survive if I didn't have a device. And yet I love that work. If I had to work in a store I would feel that I wasn't reaching my personal potential. I hope this doesn't come across rude or condescending in any way to others here that work in a store.

It's not just deaf people who are affected by the nature of our work society. My nephew is autistic and he loves computer programming (no not Gnu) but he has difficulty in communicating with people and while he would be an excellent programmer most jobs will demand that he has good communication skills as well. It's nothing to do with his abilities but everything to do with the level at which he can relate to others.

Again this begs the question of should we be conforming to the status quo. I myself prefer to be pragmatic and rather than trying to start a revolution just quietly get on with things and provide for my family.

 

[greema]

A lot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because a lot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because alot of times you explain to us what Sweetmind means..... So you actually said things you never said. So that's why you perceive that a lot of people assume you said things that you never said because a

EXACTLY!!!! gnukid is just parroting what s.m. says over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and.....

good post!

 

[Fragmenter]

Name-calling won't get you anywhere.

About hearing aids: I feel the same way about hearing aids as I do about cochlear implants. Which is: I don't give a care who uses them. What bothers me is people telling me I have to have an either/or attitude because you think I'm against all users of CI's.Cochlear implants don't bother me. You only think they bother me.

OK, you are smoking something exotic.

As I see it, the CI is not a way of "overcoming obstacles". It's a way of walking around them.

That is how I know you are so full of it. You can run but you can't hide. Why don't you snatch your grandma's walking cane away from her and tell her to walk on her bum knees? And fling her eyeglasses away and tell her to read her newspaper because that is how she should overcome her handicaps? You don't realize how much you are talking out of your ass.

And the name calling? You are just offended that nobody agrees with you then on top of that, I called you a few names that I used when I was in elementary school. I can't imagine how it will be for you when you are forced to live on your own. I feel sorry for your parents. Scratch that, I feel sorry for you when Rude Awakening comes calling soon enough in the future.

As for my mom, she knows better to not waste a second on you because she is wise about her time management. She's only here to learn information and play the devil's advocate if you haven't noticed it (I know, you obviously haven't).

 

[ismi]

"Normal" people have an idea of what a wheelchair allows you to do and what you can't do if you're confined to one. But these same "Normals" think CI's are the magic cure for deafness and make deaf people hearing.

As a wheelchair user, this is a load of crap. Able-bodied people have zero idea of what a wheelchair allows your or doesn't allow you to do - they get it wrong all the time, with reactions ranging from "you can't do anything" to "uh, elevator? Why do I need that?" Heck, as a wheelchair user I can't always tell what another person in a wheelchair can and can't do; there's just too much variance from individual to individual.

Still, that doesn't stop me from using my chair. If I did reject it for that reason, I'd be stuck, unable to get around.

 

[Fragmenter]

No, it changes the way most hearing people look at you. They look at you like you are a hearing person. Seriously. "Normal" people have an idea of what a wheelchair allows you to do and what you can't do if you're confined to one. But these same "Normals" think CI's are the magic cure for deafness and make deaf people hearing. So they treat them like hearing people.

You're a riot. They know what hearing aids are and they are starting to be more educated about cochlear implants. And what's wrong with educating them about cochlear implants?

Samantha Manson would say all people with hearing loss are unique no matter what they do about it. What do you think about your idol, now?

And what's so funny about this war between deaf and "hearing" worlds? The hearing people doesn't even realize they're hearing!!!!!! They live their lives in a groove when most deaf people keep obsessing over themselves.

 

[Fragmenter]

As a wheelchair user, this is a load of crap. Able-bodied people have zero idea of what a wheelchair allows your or doesn't allow you to do - they get it wrong all the time, with reactions ranging from "you can't do anything" to "uh, elevator? Why do I need that?" Heck, as a wheelchair user I can't always tell what another person in a wheelchair can and can't do; there's just too much variance from individual to individual.

Still, that doesn't stop me from using my chair. If I did reject it for that reason, I'd be stuck, unable to get around.

It's official: GNU, you have been so :Owned:

Thank you ismi!