EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Fragmenter]

Well, I must admit that I was born and hearing for a major part of my teen years, so therefore I am very good at oral speech. So, I can speak in the language required.

However, I have seen many deaf who do not speak work the registers as well and did just fine. All it takes is a little understanding on both parts. The deaf can't attitude just definitely needs to go out the window.

When I saw those that werent oral working the registers or those that couldnt hear working the registers, they simply had something stated on their name tag that they were deaf or mute. If someone ordered something, I seen the hearing make sure that the deaf cashier was looking at them before ordering whatever it was they wanted. If the deaf person was selling alcohol and needed to see a license, they would simply sign *drive* like a card sign and they always understood, if the person asked for an item and they didnt understand they would simply get the cashier next to them and get them to answer the question, if they did understand they would *lock* the register and take them to the item.

If there were questions about the item then another cashier would simply handle the questions.

A deaf person can work as a bank teller per se. There are inside tellers that do not work the drive through. Most transactions are handled through paperwork. For example, most deposits have deposit slips, bill paying is usually done by an officer in the bank, and then there is lip-reading what the person wants.

IMO MOST jobs should be open to the deaf. And they simply aren't. There are a few jobs that I do agree that a totally deaf person should not be doing as a safety issue.

Hope this helps Fragmenter. And by the way I was a manager too in that same store where I was a cashier. I had a good boss who believed the deaf can.

Thanks,

Bear

Yeah, I've worked as a busboy at a bar & grill, dishwasher at Denny's, cleaner at Six Flags, assembled food at Taco Bell, delivered pizzas for Papa John's and so forth. I know what I can and can't do.

I feel that I get along with the hearing people as well as any deaf person without oral skills. I know I can't work as a server at the bar & grill and at Denny's. I defintinely know I'm not allowed to man rides controls at Six Flags. I know I can't take orders at the register at Taco Bell unless the customers were deaf. I don't understand how hearing people can explain clearly their food orders to a non-oral deaf person at the cash register. Can you elaborate on that for me, please?

I also wonder about the non-oral deaf person selling alchol -- were he/she a bartender? How do they know what kind of cocktail drink was ordered? I mean, there are thousands of different drinks sold each night at a bar.

I'm not asking you these questions in jest, I just want to learn something new if it's really new.

Anyway, yes, most jobs should be open to the deaf but unfortunately there are deaf people who makes a bad impression on the employers that they unconsiciously don't hire the next deaf applicant. I know this for a fact.

 

[sr171soars]

I know plenty of old people who don't have a clue about deafness.

Er...what does your statement have to do with the price of eggs?

If you imply that Greema is too old to understand deafness, you look quite ridiculous (that was a safer word than another I had in mind) as she is deaf and has been all her life. If you are not implying that, do you care to explain your "faux pas".

 

[Fragmenter]

I know plenty of old people who don't have a clue about deafness.

Bizarre doesn't even begin to describe you :jaw:
You. Don't. Have. A. Clue. You've officialy offended my mother and you're now in my black book.

 

[Fragmenter]

Using your logic I could say to a person in a wheelchair that by using a wheelchair they are sidestepping the challenges and wanting to be "normal". This is contradictory.

Anyway Gnu I really don't know why this issue is so personal to you for someone who is hearing and unlikely to get a CI.

GNU, read this VEWY VEWY CAREFULLY.

Is there a word that is more descriptive than "bizarre"???

 

[Cheri]

The hearing parents are reasonable, too. They understand that a deaf child will never be able to hear as well as them.

And about pressuring a deaf child to learn English? If it's pressure for us, then it's the same pressure for a hearing child. Deafness doesn't mean you must belong to the deaf world.

How is it the same pressure for a hearing child and a deaf child? You're talking about two different people, a total hearing loss nor a partial hearing loss (same needs as totally deaf) versus a person that can hear without devices to aide. to me it is, being deaf does mean you do belong in the deaf world as much as a deaf person can belong in a hearing world also. You cannot bring up a deaf child the same way as you can bring up a hearing child, That make it sounds like you're trying to make your deaf child to be a hearing child. If a hearing parent want to cut off other strategies of communication such as sign language, cued speech, lipreading (speechreading), and just stick with oral method, it make it sounds like hearing parents don't have no patience in meeting half way in learning sign language too.

 

[Fragmenter]

You cannot bring up a deaf child the same way as you can bring up a hearing child, That make it sounds like you're trying to make your deaf child to be a hearing child.

That is what I disagree with. The parents may view deafness as a disability that can be beat with hearing aids and cochlear implants. It's a lot like having prescription eyeglasses to beat loss of vision.

I don't know why that is not acceptable to the extreme deaf crowd.

 

[Cheri]

That is what I disagree with. The parents may view deafness as a disability that can be beat with hearing aids and cochlear implants

*scratching my head* Wearing those devices doesn't make it a cure, or equally to hearies.

 

[neecy]

*scratching my head* Wearing those devices doesn't make it a cure, or equally to hearies.

You see - THIS is what I don't understand. Why does it have to be a cure? If using something helps you function in both worlds, then it should be accepted as such. I keep seeing "it doesn't cure deafness" popup in nearly every single debate on this board - but NOBODY ever says it does. Just as eyeglasses don't cure sight problems, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be a tool that can be used to make a difference in somebody's life.

From a biological standpoint, NOTHING cures deafness. Its simple fact. Why does it keep being brought up. There's a difference between being cured and being able to FUNCTION as a hearing person in the hearing world. Ad besides - not even "hearies" are equal to each other- they all have their own variations and some have better hearing than the other.

 

[Cheri]

neecy,

You don't understand why I said what I said, Why don't you take the time to read everything before replying to just one post? Thank-you.

 

[Sweetmind]

That is what I disagree with. The parents may view deafness as a disability that can be beat with hearing aids and cochlear implants. It's a lot like having prescription eyeglasses to beat loss of vision.

I DISAGREE!!!!!!! You cannot compare between the sound and sight because sight is not a sound for us to hear.. MIND YOU! We usually can see with every new prescriptions while Devices doesnt do anything that makes you hear everything. It s wasting of time to have your audist attitude to compare the sounds and the rest of the body parts. It is very poor excuse that u have to say it again and again.

Device is not the answer to make us hear everything that s what it s so bothersome. That is a big lie from CI corporation. What a sucker for the parents to believe everything what CI radicals saying. I feel sorry for those Deaf children who have been tolerating with their parents' audist attitude and force them like a hearing child..THAT S A CHILD ABUSE.

CI is for latened deaf people. PERIOD!

JEEZ!!
Sweetmind

 

[neecy]

neecy,

You don't understand why I said what I said, Why don't you take the time to read everything before replying to just one post? Thank-you.

Cherie I DID read everything you said - thats why I replied - never mind...I just wanted to state that CI's and hearing aid's DON'T cure deafness - and I don't know anybody who thinks they do.

sorry for throwing my 2 cents in.

 

[Sweetmind]

I know plenty of old people who don't have a clue about deafness.

I agree with his quote because my mom is 84 years old who thinks that I can hear everything with my HA but it snt helping me to understand everything that she expected me to hear everything what she said. JEEZ!

No wonder I am always getting into trouble because of god damn DEVICE that people are getting the wrong idea about us deaf people who tried to tell the truth.. YOU dont know a shyte since you havent dealing with what I had done for years.. especially with a stranger who do not believe me and called me a liar about my hearing aid device. Then you believe CI radicals, Cloggy, and your wife who are not honest with you and many others all along.. SCOFFS! I am so glad I know what I went through the stages from HOH to Deaf. You cannot fool me that easily. Your follower is not helping people at all but turn them off the way you behave toward us Deaf people with ASL.

Thats why I QUIT wearing device for that reason because I am so tired to have those nasty treatment toward me as an Deaf adult. I dont give a hoot about device anymore because you refused to change the attitude thats what I m wishing for many people out there.

Bizarre doesn't even begin to describe you
You. Don't. Have. A. Clue. You've officialy offended my mother and you're now in my black book.

You dont have a clue about old people like my mom/ grandma/ my older sister and many people in your age. He is not here to insult your gremma (audist attitude). Stop using your damn excuse to turn against a hearing guy gnulinuxman who knows what he talked about.

Thats how I can see audism people have nothing else to talk about and attacked somebody who tried to say something in a very honest approach or post something good resources that people with audist attitude is trying to make it mess and dont allow people to read the good resource that I provided for them NOT FOR people (audist attitude) who have no respect and love to destroy the fact on the table. I m so sick of your rude and bigotry comments that is not doing any good. YOUR JUDGEMENTAL IS VERY POOOR.


Guess what I dont have any respect for your dear gemma because she acts out like a childish that doesnt belong to the Deaf community as well.

Quit bickering for a very wrong and stupid reasons. Also your gemma and you have a serious reading problem. NO wonder it s ASL and Oralism extremists s behavior as well.

For pete s sake!

Sweetmind

 

[greema]

bear, i may not agree with some of your posts but wow! this one

i totally agree with you about your "it's my way or the highway" from some deaf -- i have seen some hearing parents of deaf children (my children's classmates) being totally turned off by certain deaf parents and sadly one of their teachers started attending my church but eventually quit coming due to the antics of those parents AND this teacher is SO dedicated to her deaf kids that she gave up her free summer time to be a girl scout leader to my daughter and her deaf friends/classmates --

Let me tell you something here, Some deaf people who wants hearing people to learn only ASL, When some of them have no children of their own even deaf children, Why do they are require to learn ASL just to communicate to the deaf? It's more of the saying, it's my way or the highway, that's what type of input I'm getting from some deaf people about hearing people. Isn't it time to stop being locked into their (deaf people) lingual ghettos.

Doesn't it go both ways, Learn their language, ( face-to-face communication, spoken-english speech) They'll learn ours? We have to come half way, The hearies will come half way, But I don't see that coming from some deaf people who think that hearies don't have any respect for the deaf, but the way I see it, Respect is to earn both ways.

That is a fight that i have been fighting for years. Cheri I have seen too many times including when I first became deaf YOU learn OUR language cause we arent learning YOURS. I was like geez that sounds so spolied to me. Good luck on swaying the opinion on that one. I have been beating my head against that proverbial brick wall for years.

Bear

 

[Fragmenter]

neecy,

You don't understand why I said what I said, Why don't you take the time to read everything before replying to just one post? Thank-you.

I'm sorry but I don't think you understand what I said. I understood exactly what YOU and Neency meant.

And Sweetmind, don't you ever stop and think outside the box? My magic 8-ball says, "never" when I asked it

 

[greema]

i reread your post and boult's statement that you were referring to and i am sorry i off that reply in haste and not thinking first -- that was exactly what i was cautioning certain people to read carefully and think first before posting! shame on me as i didn't listen to my own advice -- beets? (meaning "peace" -- that is what my hearing daughter said one of frag's friends used to pronounce "beets" when he meant "peace" and i LOVE using that word!)
oh, and i somewhat agree with boult's theory -- we all have own "perfect" opinions of schooling -- i'm a product of the John Tracy Clinic (john is the son of movie star Spencer Tracy) which my mom corresponded with and took up working with me at home, then i went to Sunshine Cottage (a very small deaf school in Texas -- i don't even know if it's still in existence) and then attended CID in St. Louis until my parents decided they were advancing me too rapidly (i had skipped 3 grade levels in 2 years and my classmates were 3 or 4 years older than me but they "forgot" that i really needed to take each grade level of math which i really sucked at) and they pulled me out and placed me in a public school starting at the 6th grade up to graduation from high school -- whew! i know everyone is at different levels of deafness, education, and all that so i understand that we all have different opinions on how to teach deaf children
ok, ok i'll shut up -- i just realized i'm babbling and everyone have a wonderful and safe Memorial Day weekend!

Graame, you misunderstood. I refer only to Boult's statement #689.

I do not have any problem with Fregmenter's written and yours.

The question is Boult's statement #689? Do you support Boult’s theory:

 

[Sweetmind]

Originally Posted by greema
moo__oon, haven't you read his postings very carefully? his written English is most excellent! and have you read s.m.'s posts? it is not her fault that her english isn't very good and if you think oh, wow her looooonnnngggg posts show good English, then you are wrong -- s.m. has been copying and pasting quoted articles that were written by others.

This is a real NONSENSE. I have done it right thing to do that puts the quotes on those resources. It shows that I did not write it if you mind. What makes you think I DID it on purpose to steal their books to pretend that I wrote it!

Whew! I am so glad I dont have to meet her while she has her negative audist attitude that puts me down about my writings that I worked so hard and was told by some great attitude people who thinks my writing has so much improved from the day one until now.. I did it and have nothing to be ashamed of my writings without having my hearing aid device.

Many of you understood me and fight against me that is not making any sense.. You challenged me as far as I did it . People with audist attitude doesnt want me to confront the truth so it s easy way for you to beat me up in front of people. I thanked you for it.

Have a nice life!
Sweetmind

 

[Fragmenter]

That is where you lose credibility, SM. We are not audists. Period. We are just open minded and thinking outside the box.

Go out and see the world outside of the small world we are in.

 

[ismi]

This is a real NONSENSE. I have done it right thing to do that puts the quotes on those resources. It shows that I did not write it if you mind. What makes you think I DID it on purpose to steal their books to pretend that I wrote it!

It may not be plagiarism, but it doesn't help your argument any, and it is blatant copyright infringement. Besides which, there's evidence that you're not reading everything you're posting (viz. our discussion of the American School in London).

 

[Sweetmind]

Use your common sense that is different between hearing and deaf issues that I wrote with black bolds.. ISMI

 

[Sweetmind]

That is where you lose credibility, SM. We are not audists. Period. We are just open minded and thinking outside the box.

Same old shtye behavior that you are sticking with for years and years. It s not new to me. MIND YOU! Thats where you lose your credibility, Fragmenter. You are not openminded as much as I can see after all of your negative attitude toward me and others. It s proven in black and white (paper) here.

Go out and see the world outside of the small world we are in.

Believe it or not! I was in hearing world for 11 years without having deafies around me or attending any Deaf events because I want to see for myself how people treats me. It s tough and very lonely because many people doesnt want to take their time to talk with me.. It s always limited and doesnt change a bit. No wonder they think I can hear with device but NOT!

So I went back Deaf community and shocked how audism people treats Deaf people with ASL that is how I stood up for Deaf people with ASL all the way. We did make the difference and have those hearing people in our Deaf community that they respect and use their hands to speak with us all the way. Thats the way of two streets.

I raised my hearing children alone and deal with my childrens hearing friends / parents.. Most hearing parents dont bother to call me after all I tried to communicate with them on the phone through relay service.. or Principal at the school that my children attended.. Guess what he did not communicate or let me know whats going on with my children.. I just found out in a conversation with my daughter about things that happened in their school, as far as the principal and teachers procedures. There was one occasion where another student was harassing my daughter in the classroom and she told him to back off numerous times...after unsuccessful attempts, she started getting louder, then the teacher sent her out of the class to the principal office...even after hearing the situation. Every single day, my daughter was sitting in principal s office while she wants to go home or call me. EVEN he knew it wasnt my daughter s fault and didnt do anything about it. Principal says NO and Never mind about me. Just to name one instance. That makes me angry for what they did to me and my children. I am so grateful my children had more time to share with me recently that I never knew about it. My children did not want me to stand up for them because it s not gonna to work after all the school faculty dont care about me as being a Deaf mother. SO I did not barrier them but they did. SCoffs!

Dont tell me that I dont know nothing about hearing world if you mind. So there! I am not afraid of anything to confront or fight for a very good reason. MIND YOU!

Sweetmind