EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Boult]

Boult, loml: what about the "school within a school" model (my term - I don't know if there's a canonical term for this) - where you have classes in ASL and an educational system aimed at deaf students (whether oral, cueing or signing) within a mainstream school? There's a district near me that does that, and I've always thought that seems like the best of both worlds. You get the deaf-oriented education, socializing with other deaf students, good models of ASL; and you also get mainstream classes for students that acheive at that level, socializing with hearing students (which benefits both deaf and hearing students), and access to the kind of resources that are only available with a larger school.

Yeah that's "self-contained classroom for deaf" in mainstreaming setting yeah.. but I am not in favor of this.. but mainstreaming approaches is what I would favor. There are several level of mainstreaming types. from self-Contained classrooms to full inclusions.

I posted this on DN years ago;

There are more than one type of "mainstream"

<50% mainstream
>=50% mainstream
100% mainstream


there are way to place deaf kids based on skills and language abilities.
That is from state school to mainstream

State School-Residential
State School-Day
Self Contained class
<50% Mainstream
>=50% Mainstream
100% Mainstream

State School-Residential = separate school; residential option
State School-Day = separate school
Self Contained class = Special class, teacher of the deaf; regular school building
<50% Mainstream = regular class much of day; special class room with teacher of the deaf; individual services.
>=50% Mainstream = regular class; support services; teacher of the deaf
100% Mainstream (Inclusion) = regular class; related services; supplementary aids and services.

 

[Cloggy]

Before NTID was established, there are alot of ASLers graduated from RIT college.. I know one of those people, Jane Cole who is a Deaf professional at Boston University. She is very strong ASLers with no device. It s proven.

Sweetmind... Your "It s proven" statement.... does that mean anything.
What is to be proven. Or what needed to be proven.

It sounds as if you have proven something, but you are just passing information. You're not proving anything.
"It's proven"....

heh.... I can do it as well!

 

[Fragmenter]

According to your categories; I went through <50% mainstream from pre-school to 1st grade. Then I went through >50% mainstream from 2nd grade through 4th grade and 110% mainstream from 5th grade through 8th grade (only deaf student with an interpreter on leash in at public school). In high school, it was more like 95-99% mainstream but with a deaf program in place with interpreters as faculty members. There were a total of around 30 deaf students at a 2A sized high school and we had either 1 or 2 resource class periods incorporated into our schedules depending on our needs. Pretty pimp? It was until Bush signed the no child left behind law.

This high school has deaf children on a waiting list. Can you imagine that? Huge demand for those kinds of systems.

 

[Bear]

That is where you are just being absurd.

Can you work as a bank teller? Can you work the cash register at Wal-Mart? Can you take orders up front at McDonald's?

The above are simple jobs that doesn't require extensive education yet we deaf people CANNOT have these jobs simply because they can't communicate orally with hearing people. Heck, even with all the tricks I learned all my life, I CAN'T do those types of work.

When you become honest with yourself and accept that deafness is a handicap AND we can't do anything except hear. That's the truth I'm trying to preach.

Wanna bet? Sorry to say Fragmenter this is where you are wrong. I have worked the cash registers and I have worked at McDonalds taking orders. In fact cash-handling was my job before I had to quit to take care of mom. I also used to be a nurse but am not any longer cause I let my LPN license slip.

So therefore a little more research on that topic needs to be done. And yes, I myself do believe that us deafies can do anything we want to except be hearing. It is in fact the hearing world that keeps us down by saying *oh, you're deaf so therefore you CANT do this job. It's in fact just an example of hearing not wanting to have to deal with hiring the interpreters and aides that we would need to be successful in SOME jobs.

You have to be hearing in the STATE OF OHIO, I do not know about other states but I do know in mine, that you have to be hearing to be a truck driver. I find this strange. We can drive a car, we can drive the small vans, but for an OTR CDL cant do unless your hearing.

There are many other jobs, that do this as well and I do not understand their reasons for this. But, until more deafies speak up and start fighting for our rights it will always be that way.

Thanks,

Bear

 

[Bear]

Let me tell you something here, Some deaf people who wants hearing people to learn only ASL, When some of them have no children of their own even deaf children, Why do they are require to learn ASL just to communicate to the deaf? It's more of the saying, it's my way or the highway, that's what type of input I'm getting from some deaf people about hearing people. Isn't it time to stop being locked into their (deaf people) lingual ghettos.

Doesn't it go both ways, Learn their language, ( face-to-face communication, spoken-english speech) They'll learn ours? We have to come half way, The hearies will come half way, But I don't see that coming from some deaf people who think that hearies don't have any respect for the deaf, but the way I see it, Respect is to earn both ways.

That is a fight that i have been fighting for years. Cheri I have seen too many times including when I first became deaf YOU learn OUR language cause we arent learning YOURS. I was like geez that sounds so spolied to me. Good luck on swaying the opinion on that one. I have been beating my head against that proverbial brick wall for years.

Bear

 

[Fragmenter]

Wanna bet? Sorry to say Fragmenter this is where you are wrong. I have worked the cash registers and I have worked at McDonalds taking orders. In fact cash-handling was my job before I had to quit to take care of mom. I also used to be a nurse but am not any longer cause I let my LPN license slip.

So therefore a little more research on that topic needs to be done. And yes, I myself do believe that us deafies can do anything we want to except be hearing. It is in fact the hearing world that keeps us down by saying *oh, you're deaf so therefore you CANT do this job. It's in fact just an example of hearing not wanting to have to deal with hiring the interpreters and aides that we would need to be successful in SOME jobs.

You have to be hearing in the STATE OF OHIO, I do not know about other states but I do know in mine, that you have to be hearing to be a truck driver. I find this strange. We can drive a car, we can drive the small vans, but for an OTR CDL cant do unless your hearing.

There are many other jobs, that do this as well and I do not understand their reasons for this. But, until more deafies speak up and start fighting for our rights it will always be that way.

Thanks,

Bear

My post was created in haste because I was at work and Boult spoke privately with me. I somewhat agree with your post.

When you worked the cash registers, how did you communicate with customers? You are taking this topic to a debatable level so I'm interested again.

I gotta get plenty of for work tomorrow so I'm looking forward your reply in the morning!

 

[gnulinuxman]

moo__oon, haven't you read his postings very carefully? his written English is most excellent! and have you read s.m.'s posts? it is not her fault that her english isn't very good and if you think oh, wow her looooonnnngggg posts show good English, then you are wrong -- s.m. has been copying and pasting quoted articles that were written by others.

i have lived a long time; therefore i know a LOT of Deaf, deaf, hoh, and so forth and the majority of them have poor written English because of their use of ASL (i know s.m. -- you're gonna yell oralist! audist!) and if they choose to read a lot of books, they would have better writing skills

I know plenty of old people who don't have a clue about deafness.

 

[Sweetmind]

Sighs! I was there in the past and few years ago in RIT if you mind.. It is all my eyes that is my real witness. .Why would I bullshyte about it for? I know the truth that I was being discriminated by audism people in RIT for not getting my Deaf rights.. MIND YOU CLOGGY! I have nothing to be ashamed to say it aloud.. I know the truth. Guess what audism people tend to violate our ADA laws. NO wonder many of you dont want to work together because of your damn self centered and very unthoughtful.. I dont have any respect for you audism people. JEEZ!

The reason is that they only have 100 interpreters with 700 deaf students. So they decided to have many SEE interpreters because of HIGH RATIO of deaf oralist without ASL. And they rejected me as a Deaf person with ASL and my Deaf rights.. And also they tell me go to Gallaudet University that is very insulting toward me.

NOTHING NEW they rejected Deaf people with ASL out of Deaf community and Hearing Community that has not changed a bit. SCOFFS!

YOu are taking granted out those ignorant audism deaf oralist people as I can see it very much. I thank you for your showing true colors that you dont have any respect for Deaf people in Deaf community. It s kinda sad that you are not respecting your own deaf child who is deaf as always.

I can see the big difference between past and nowadays. La la la

Boult did not graduate with BS or BA or MA degree. I know all about him. I m not gonna to share with you because you believe in him first before me.. Thats okay however it s your loss and screwed up for Deaf children 's alternative needs that should comes first in a big time. Your spoken language itself only or make them stay in Hearing world only that will hurt many deaf chidren s self esteem as I know it so.. You are isolated those Deaf children like old days that u want it back.. Thats very unrealistic!


That s very self centered of yours , Cloggy since you couldnt accept or handle the Deaf reality.

YOu dont give a hoot while I do care for all Deaf children s alternative needs with all my heart.

Scoffs!
Sweetmind

 

[Cloggy]

Sighs! .......... MIND YOU CLOGGY!

YOu are taking granted out those ignorant audism deaf oralist people as I can see it very much. I thank you for your showing true colors that you dont have any respect for Deaf people in Deaf community. It s kinda sad that you are not respecting your own deaf child who is deaf as always.......... La la la

Tell me Sweety, how is it that when I learn sign, have my daughter learn sign am still "disrespectfull"

Really - rest of the forum is interested as well

 

[Boult]

ASK boult if he graduated with BA or BS or MA degree. Did ya?? Boult

What's your answer?

It's up to them to ask me what degree I got.


UPDATE: OK I see that SM said I didn't get one of those 3 degree. I never claimed I got one of those three. So what? I still did graduate with a degree from NTID at RIT. SO big frakking deal! While I entered NTID from 11th grade level! I never graduated from high school with dipolma while many NTID student were shocked at me because they all got one since they thought they were required and even completed SAT test to qualify. That's because they failed to look at NTID's criteria for admission!

Both NTID and Gallaudet are in special education category.

If my mother never knew about NTID Gallaudet SWICD or CSUN, then I probably would have gone to Brewton Parker college in Mt. Vernon, Ga where my mother teaches there back in 80's or I may have gone to Univ. of Ga. or GaTech or fulfill my dream of going back to Arizona and go to Univ of Az or whatever.. that would be different story!

But still you know nothing about my life that I grew up because I never told you.

NTOICE: before you all criticize me for misspelling of "frakking" I am using the word from BattleStar Galatica tv series as a nice way of saying instead of using the real 4 letters w/ing word which is offensive.

If you want to know what degree I got.. all you have to look at my post in this page of this thread!
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=27504&page=3&pp=20 find my post there!

 

[Sweetmind]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.. Bear I agree with you completely. Cheri is a pretty cool and very understandable person as much as I can see. I respect her all the way.

 

[Bear]

My post was created in haste because I was at work and Boult spoke privately with me. I somewhat agree with your post.

When you worked the cash registers, how did you communicate with customers? You are taking this topic to a debatable level so I'm interested again.

I gotta get plenty of for work tomorrow so I'm looking forward your reply in the morning!

Well, I must admit that I was born and hearing for a major part of my teen years, so therefore I am very good at oral speech. So, I can speak in the language required.

However, I have seen many deaf who do not speak work the registers as well and did just fine. All it takes is a little understanding on both parts. The deaf can't attitude just definitely needs to go out the window.

When I saw those that werent oral working the registers or those that couldnt hear working the registers, they simply had something stated on their name tag that they were deaf or mute. If someone ordered something, I seen the hearing make sure that the deaf cashier was looking at them before ordering whatever it was they wanted. If the deaf person was selling alcohol and needed to see a license, they would simply sign *drive* like a card sign and they always understood, if the person asked for an item and they didnt understand they would simply get the cashier next to them and get them to answer the question, if they did understand they would *lock* the register and take them to the item.

If there were questions about the item then another cashier would simply handle the questions.

A deaf person can work as a bank teller per se. There are inside tellers that do not work the drive through. Most transactions are handled through paperwork. For example, most deposits have deposit slips, bill paying is usually done by an officer in the bank, and then there is lip-reading what the person wants.

IMO MOST jobs should be open to the deaf. And they simply aren't. There are a few jobs that I do agree that a totally deaf person should not be doing as a safety issue.

Hope this helps Fragmenter. And by the way I was a manager too in that same store where I was a cashier. I had a good boss who believed the deaf can.

Thanks,

Bear

 

[Sweetmind]

BRAGGING is no good that turns me off in a big time. I dont have to answer your question because I have asked you a question. Can you read my question? Boult!

 

[gnulinuxman]

A very inspirational story, Bear, much more so than any of the cochlear implant ones. Why? Your story focuses on you doing things that most people just said you couldn't do WITHOUT changing yourself and WITHOUT sidestepping the challenge.

On the other hand, the CI success stories judge on being "normal". They focus on how well the implantees can hear and "become" hearing so they don't have the battles you do. How well they avoid the battles, in other words.

So, the point is I think your story and others like it are more touching and inspirational because you've taken the obstacles head-on rather than sidestepping them with a machine.

Thanks for sharing it!

 

[Sweetmind]

You betcha, gnulinuxman Thats why I like Bear since she is latened deaf that I respect her all the way, too.

 

[gnulinuxman]

You betcha, gnulinuxman Thats why I like Bear since she is latened deaf that I respect her all the way, too.

Read this post VERY CAREFULLY. She is agreeing with a late-deafened and a hearing person in it.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

lol you sound like Elmer Fudd. well almost- be vewy vewy quiet ..

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Hey guess what.
because of my two HAs that help me hear a lot I applied for new HBC card at The Bay two days ago.
(HBC is reward card where you collect points and The Bay is sort like Macy's)
Today it turned out I applied for The Bay credit card not HBC rewards. grrrr
creadit card - reward card pronounced by chinese salesperson sounds and looks (lipreading) the same. of course it was not my fault
more cc -more bills to pay in future.. grrrrrrrrrrrr

Fuzzy

 

[R2D2]

A very inspirational story, Bear, much more so than any of the cochlear implant ones. Why? Your story focuses on you doing things that most people just said you couldn't do WITHOUT changing yourself and WITHOUT sidestepping the challenge.

On the other hand, the CI success stories judge on being "normal". They focus on how well the implantees can hear and "become" hearing so they don't have the battles you do. How well they avoid the battles, in other words.

So, the point is I think your story and others like it are more touching and inspirational because you've taken the obstacles head-on rather than sidestepping them with a machine.

Thanks for sharing it!

I really don't understand your problem with the use of devices to address challenges. Using your logic I could say to a person in a wheelchair that by using a wheelchair they are sidestepping the challenges and wanting to be "normal". A CI or hearing aid is merely a tool to help us address the challenges in a better way. For someone who has emphasized that a CI doesn't make a deaf person hearing you seem to also argue that having a CI "changes" you. This is contradictory.

Anyway Gnu I really don't know why this issue is so personal to you for someone who is hearing and unlikely to get a CI. Every time I visit this forum I see your name at the bottom - you must be spending hours here. I think it has become an obsession. Just go and relax and spend time with your fiancee down by the lake, mountain or wherever that is nice where you live.

 

[Mookie]

moo__oon, haven't you read his postings very carefully? his written English is most excellent! and have you read s.m.'s posts? it is not her fault that her english isn't very good and if you think oh, wow her looooonnnngggg posts show good English, then you are wrong -- s.m. has been copying and pasting quoted articles that were written by others.

i have lived a long time; therefore i know a LOT of Deaf, deaf, hoh, and so forth and the majority of them have poor written English because of their use of ASL (i know s.m. -- you're gonna yell oralist! audist!) and if they choose to read a lot of books, they would have better writing skills

Graame, you misunderstood. I refer only to Boult's statement #689.

I do not have any problem with Fregmenter's written and yours.

The question is Boult's statement #689? Do you support Boult’s theory:

Bi-Bi Education for the deaf is not worth it