EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

[Cloggy]

Hmmm...do I see inconsistency and failure to read other people's posts???

Hmmm.... do you?

 

[Fragmenter]

:roll: :Owned:

:Owned:

 

[Sweetmind]

IT is not for CI issue only all the time if you mind.. Thank you! Thats what it turns me off when it comes with a bigotry attitude from you and your followers. I like to add this .. You couldnt handle with us very well so it s easy way out for you to bash me all long for 8 years. I m still alive and strong as hellva. I have my reason for doing it this.

Also you dont give a chance to Deaf people with a very positive attitude who wants to make the difference and have their freedom to speak it out. Thats where I got this impression since I was a kid that couldnt say anything.

Thats power and control over us that I will not let you get away with it..


Thank you!
Sweetmind

 

[Sweetmind]

http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?p=525619#post525619

PURFFFECT example . I have told the truth again and again.. You couldnt handle with me and my honest approach for 8 years..

 

[neecy]

CI corporation is the one of Hilter s attitude to make a big $$$$$$$$$

Tell me, if the only thing CI corporations are out for is more money, can you explain to me why Cochlear paid for my Freedom? ( surgery, processor, spare processor and a full box of extra parts plus 2 years worth of batteries, and other goodies, plus all the followup visits for activation and remapping with the audies) If all they are interested in is getting money from deaf - then theoretically they would have made me (or my health insurance) pay for my CI. But they didn't do that - my CI - from surgery to activation and onward, was paid for 100% by Cochlear.

Sounds like a contradiction to your claim, if you ask me.

 

[Sweetmind]

NICE TRY to protect CI corportation who hurt many Deaf children with all kind of muitiplies disabilities that has been failed on them after all they knew.. Thats a real evil thing they did to the Deaf chlidren.

GOOD FOR YOU! LATENED DEAF Some latened deaf failed with their CI as well. So no use for me to explain cuz you dont listen that we gave many valid points. So you are wasting my time since it s too much self centered that I dont appreciate. YOu dont have any respect my requestion not to bring up CI issue as well as CLOGGY/BOULT/ and few others who kept on and on .. That s very selfish and cruel for not allowing me to share with anybody in this topic post.. People need to realize what they are getting into by audism people who tried to destroy everything what we have especially True identity, Self acceptance, ASL, our Deaf schools and many more. They were so blind and overlooked the Deaf reality has been going thru HELL. PERIOD!

End of the story. Guess what I dont go to Cloggy s topic post and destroy his story about his daughter with CI. And it s no difference how the parent did to those children thats why I just let it go and the truth will come out itself. I felt offend and disrespect from you both because you were a former hearing and he is a hearing father who speaks for himself not for his daughter s words and your audism followers.

Some of you are RUINING everything in here that doesnt related to my post topic. Scoffs! YOu want to keep everything so secretive that I had to open it up and tell the whole truth whats going in this society..

It shows me that YOU DONT GIVE A DAMN about it but pushing too far abaout CI itself .. Thats turns me off and gives me a goose bump.

 

[gnulinuxman]

Hmmm.... do you?

Yes, I do. You can't keep saying the CI is so perfect and then deny saying it.

 

[Fragmenter]

Yes, I do. You can't keep saying the CI is so perfect and then deny saying it.

Quote that then you can make that claim. I see a big difference on both sides: the oral deaf members are consistent with their argument and the Deaf members seems to twist words around and quote sentences taken out of context.

 

[gnulinuxman]

Tell me, if the only thing CI corporations are out for is more money, can you explain to me why Cochlear paid for my Freedom? ( surgery, processor, spare processor and a full box of extra parts plus 2 years worth of batteries, and other goodies, plus all the followup visits for activation and remapping with the audies) If all they are interested in is getting money from deaf - then theoretically they would have made me (or my health insurance) pay for my CI. But they didn't do that - my CI - from surgery to activation and onward, was paid for 100% by Cochlear.

Sounds like a contradiction to your claim, if you ask me.

You were part of a clinical trial. They weren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts--they were doing it to sell the CI to others and because they needed to test it. You make it look like they were so kind and generous to you, when in fact they were treating you like a human lab rat so they could sell it.

 

[Sweetmind]

Tell me, if the only thing CI corporations are out for is more money, can you explain to me why Cochlear paid for my Freedom? ( surgery, processor, spare processor and a full box of extra parts plus 2 years worth of batteries, and other goodies, plus all the followup visits for activation and remapping with the audies) If all they are interested in is getting money from deaf - then theoretically they would have made me (or my health insurance) pay for my CI. But they didn't do that - my CI - from surgery to activation and onward, was paid for 100% by Cochlear.

Sounds like a contradiction to your claim, if you ask me.

OH yea! You and Govt ( medicare or medicaid) are cheating since your insurance paid for you not your own pockets. We deafies pay from our own pockets for all those Deaf accessories while we are still suffering. ATTITUDE hasnt changed a bit.

Audism people with or without CI who have been so negative about VIDEO PHONE issue that I think it s s wonderful tool to have because I can share with many Deaf and Hearing people. So what is your damn problem for being so negative?? JEEZ!

If it was not for insurance then I doubt you will get CI devices unless you are the fifthy rich. Thats the difference. Thats how they got all kind of money that was a real waste money from insurance to cover the CI expenses.

Believe it or not! I dont have everything that I would love to have those many accessories that helps me a lot that is nothing to do with my deaf ears. I couldnt afford it anymore. Oh well thats the way it goes.. However, I felt so good I am more independent and dont have to wear HA device anymore. I m glad I dont waste my money on Hearing people with a very negative attitude toward deafies. I do not support them however I will support Deaf business if they have a great attitude.

Deaf people can do anything except hear.. So be it!

 

[Cloggy]

Yes, I do. You can't keep saying the CI is so perfect and then deny saying it.

Well Dan, do I now?

 

[gnulinuxman]

Quote that then you can make that claim. I see a big difference on both sides: the oral deaf members are consistent with their argument and the Deaf members seems to twist words around and quote sentences taken out of context.

I did here: http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=525565&postcount=356

I have some here, too:

I like this example better than the "let's make a hearing child deaf in order to integrate her with her deaf parents" example.

It's a good example. The only problem is the "but didn't work fully" which as an example in itself is fine, but with the technology NOWADAYS it does work.

So, it's fine if you decide NOT to take it as long as it is not based on OLD information.

People here that are defending CI are not telling anyone to take it. They are explaining the current status, technology so that people that are interested get the correct, current information.

This way a choice can be made on good information. Not OLD and INCORRECT information

And, of course, we keep getting this stuff from others:

How many times can we repeat WE DON'T THINK DEVICES ENABLE TO HEAR EVERYTHING?

HEARING DEVICES, including COCHLEAR IMPLANTS, do not restore hearing 100%. they do not restore it at all! they just assist with hearing and the success of this assist varies from minimal to optimal!!

and I am no audist.

Got it now?

Fuzzy

Well the gist of the arguement being debated, is because Sweetmind said "you audists think CI's is a cure."

Its been repeatedly said by those here who have CI's and have children with CI's that it isn't. When that was pointed out, gnulinuxman said that its CI professionals who say that. But yet I've never seen an article or heard a CI professional say that.

You can't keep grasping at straws. She said "us audists".... we replied, and proved her wrong.

My point is that the Deaf Culture community is more consistent in their arguments about cochlear implants than you "audists" are.

 

[gnulinuxman]

OH yea! You and Govt ( medicare or medicaid) are cheating since your insurance paid for you not your own pockets. We deafies pay from our own pockets for all those Deaf accessories while we are still suffering. ATTITUDE hasnt changed a bit.

That is unfair. Insurance pays for CI's yet Deafies need to pay for flashers, vibrators, and TTY's, flashing or vibrating alarm clocks (I want one because I hate audible alarm clocks.) (EDIT: Sweetmind told me video phones are free for deaf people but you still need to pay for the high-speed Internet.)

Audism people with or without CI who have been so negative about VIDEO PHONE issue that I think it s s wonderful tool to have because I can share with many Deaf and Hearing people. So what is your damn problem for being so negative?? JEEZ!

Agreed. Video phones are nice. You don't need a CI to talk on the phone--just use a video phone or TTY!

If it was not for insurance then I doubt you will get CI devices unless you are the fifthy rich. Thats the difference. Thats how they got all kind of money that was a real waste money from insurance to cover the CI expenses.

for bringing up that important point.

Believe it or not! I dont have everything that I would love to have those many accessories that helps me a lot that is nothing to do with my deaf ears. I couldnt afford it anymore. Oh well thats the way it goes.. However, I felt so good I am more independent and dont have to wear HA device anymore. I m glad I dont waste my money on Hearing people with a very negative attitude toward deafies. I do not support them however I will support Deaf business if they have a great attitude.

I don't blame you. This is one problem I have with the argument "Being hearing will give you more opportunity." Why would you want to do business with someone who doesn't respect you for who you are?

Deaf people can do anything except hear.. So be it!

 

[Eve]

Eve is a special teacher and has no point here..

Again, I ask…what does this have to do with the price of tea in china?

Whew! I couldnt believe it she has no responsibility for her own actions as it s the same thing for Cloggy s behavior. Wow this is real childish audism people. People have not changed at all ever since.

What am I supposed to be taking responsibility for? My opinion? You got it. I take full responsibility for every statement previous made by me. Happy?

And I cannot believe they are allowed to call me sourmind and get away with it.. How *258*!!! That 's very good example some of you got banned from other forums that the owner has a very good reason. You cannot blamed him for taking his own action to stop people bash people.

The only place I am banned from is DC. Go figure.

CI corporation is the one of Hilter s attitude to make a big $$$$$$$$$ and also people who is the representative for CI corporation and come into our DeafNotes to push people too hard.

Of course, the CI industry is in BUSINESS and all businesses want to make money. Tis the nature of the beast. But have you ever stopped to consider that maybe some people actually WANT a CI and feel they may benefit from a CI? Who are you to try and deny them of that? Nobody is forcing you to be implanted. Think about it.

GUESS what Boult abused my freedom of speech after he removed some post replies without the owner s authorization while he was out of town.. Thats dishonest as well. You dont care however I DO CARE if you mind.

Does this discussion really belong here in AD? After all, didn’t this supposedly take place on another forum?

There's no need for name-calling here. She does have valid points, though.

Please explain to me how my statement (“SM, you haven't proven a thing. Until you have been implanted with a CI, you have no base of knowlege for what you are commenting on.”)
could possibly be misinterpreted as “name-calling”????

She does have valid points, though.

Yup, two right on the top of her head.

By the way, SM, have you ever bothered to read AD forum rules? You may wish to take a gander at

4.) Members may not scroll unnecessarily. Scrolling can refer to the following: d.) Anything that is repetitious

Cuz you are like a broken record.

Some of you are RUINING everything in here that doesnt related to my post topic. Scoffs! YOu want to keep everything so secretive that I had to open it up and tell the whole truth whats going in this society..

LMAO getting a taste of your own medicine for a change?

My point is that the Deaf Culture community is more consistent in their arguments about cochlear implants than you "audists" are.

ROFLMAO This coming from a hearie???? Hahahahahahahaha that is like a white boy calling a black boy “cracka”!

 

[gnulinuxman]

Please explain to me how my statement (“SM, you haven't proven a thing. Until you have been implanted with a CI, you have no base of knowlege for what you are commenting on.”)
could possibly be misinterpreted as “name-calling”????

You called her "Sourmind".

ROFLMAO This coming from a hearie???? Hahahahahahahaha that is like a white boy calling a black boy “cracka”!

You need to quit this stereotyping. I am not a normal hearing person and do not wish to act like one. (That's why I call myself a DEVIANT.) Not all hearing people have to be pro-CI just because we're hearing. Are you saying that because I'm hearing I am required by some law to automatically agree with the pro-CIers? Are you saying I can't make up my mind on this and that I MUST have been bought and paid for because no hearing person could possibly feel this on their own?

As for the pro-CIers, their arguments are circular. They say the CI makes people able to function in the hearing world like a hearing person, and then deny saying so (look back for quotes--I'm sick of reposting them).

 

[deafmedicalpoet]

sterotyping is out

You called her "Sourmind".

You need to quit this stereotyping. I am not a normal hearing person and do not wish to act like one. (That's why I call myself a DEVIANT.) Not all hearing people have to be pro-CI just because we're hearing. Are you saying that because I'm hearing I am required by some law to automatically agree with the pro-CIers? Are you saying I can't make up my mind on this and that I MUST have been bought and paid for because no hearing person could possibly feel this on their own?

As for the pro-CIers, their arguments are circular. They say the CI makes people able to function in the hearing world like a hearing person, and then deny saying so (look back for quotes--I'm sick of reposting them).

Stop sterotyping!!!! this has gone on long enough. when you sterotype its like you are scapegoating a person :Owned: << under your sterotyping (I believe we all need a good apology needed too) I don't believe its anyone truly but we all need to learn no sterotyping.

Deaflinuxgeek

 

[Eve]

You need to quit this stereotyping.

You really didn’t get what I was saying at all, did you? I was not the one labeling deafies as “audists”, THAT would be stereotypical, but YOU certainly have no place doing so, as a hearie.

I am not a normal hearing person and do not wish to act like one. (That's why I call myself a DEVIANT.)

Finally, something we can agree upon.

Are you saying that because I'm hearing I am required by some law to automatically agree with the pro-CIers? Are you saying I can't make up my mind on this and that I MUST have been bought and paid for because no hearing person could possibly feel this on their own?

Not at all. I am saying you have no right labeling someone just because you disagree with their philosophy.

As for the pro-CIers, their arguments are circular. They say the CI makes people able to function in the hearing world like a hearing person, and then deny saying so (look back for quotes--I'm sick of reposting them).

I did look back and I haven’t seen anything of the sort. And, I have been around the block a few times more than you here and I am sure I would have noticed such.

Stop sterotyping!!!! this has gone on long enough. when you sterotype its like you are scapegoating a person << under your sterotyping (I believe we all need a good apology needed too) I don't believe its anyone truly but we all need to learn no sterotyping.

I agree….I believe your fiancé should stop stereotyping against pro-CIers.

 

[neecy]

As for the pro-CIers, their arguments are circular. They say the CI makes people able to function in the hearing world like a hearing person, and then deny saying so (look back for quotes--I'm sick of reposting them).

It seems that everything has to be spelled out for you.

WE DON'T DENY WE ARE DEAF. Biologically we are deaf. The ears DON'T work. Period. There's no denying that.

FUNCTIONALLY with a CI we can hear.

there's no denial there - you're intentonally trying to take two very different concepts and make them the same.

If I take my CI off. I'm deaf.

If I put it on - I can hear, I can function as a hearing person (agreeably not perfectly - but what is "perfect" hearing anyway? I can hear better than my hearing mother in some situations because of my CI)

Clear now?

 

[gnulinuxman]

You really didn’t get what I was saying at all, did you? I was not the one labeling deafies as “audists”, THAT would be stereotypical, but YOU certainly have no place doing so, as a hearie.

You're not making sense.

Not at all. I am saying you have no right labeling someone just because you disagree with their philosophy.

I'm not. You have no right to assume I am.

I did look back and I haven’t seen anything of the sort. And, I have been around the block a few times more than you here and I am sure I would have noticed such.

From what you're telling me, you have selective vision--you see only what you want to see. I quoted it these posts:
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=525709&postcount=372
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=525565&postcount=356

I agree….I believe your fiancé should stop stereotyping against pro-CIers.

We have a friend who is.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy
How many times can we repeat WE DON'T THINK DEVICES ENABLE TO HEAR EVERYTHING?

HEARING DEVICES, including COCHLEAR IMPLANTS, do not restore hearing 100%. they do not restore it at all! they just assist with hearing and the success of this assist varies from minimal to optimal!!

and I am no audist.

Got it now?

Fuzzy

Quote:
Originally Posted by neecy
Well the gist of the arguement being debated, is because Sweetmind said "you audists think CI's is a cure."

Its been repeatedly said by those here who have CI's and have children with CI's that it isn't. When that was pointed out, gnulinuxman said that its CI professionals who say that. But yet I've never seen an article or heard a CI professional say that.

You can't keep grasping at straws. She said "us audists".... we replied, and proved her wrong. [/QUOTE]

My point is that the Deaf Culture community is more consistent in their arguments about cochlear implants than you "audists" are.

If you, after reading all the replies AND above replies can still write what you wrote,
then there IS something seriously wrong with your head.
It's like talking to the wall. Unfortunately I feel it's the same with Sweetmind. And unfortunately Deaf Culture Community is just repeating the same misconceptions over and over, not letting in any of our explanations either.

also,
Not only you never had a proof behind your statements - for example how many doctors you've been to PERSONALLY- meaning you, only YOU, not anybody else, not your GF not Sweetmind not your neighbour or Tom Cruise or Spongebob but you yourself - with how many doctors did YOU talked to, in person? about CI?
Hardly any I think, or you would reply dr X dr Y dr Z.
You never replied what did you found out on Google- CI+ efficacy. Why? because it says clearly it does not RESTORE hearing and is not a CURE?
It seem to me it's you who talk in generalisations and in circles.

Also why do you keep replying for Sweetmind to me? can't she do that herself? I guess not because I proven her wrong.

Fuzzy