EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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R2D2 said:
You know, I'm really seeing a pattern here. Not just here but on other boards that I frequent. Many of those with very strong views often come from an abusive or extreme background of some sort.
I didn't have an abusive mom. My fiancee did.

R2D2 said:
I wonder whether their background makes them react the way they do? Do they recognise that it's a lack of balance in their perspective? They seem to view the method of communication they were raised with as being the first basic problem rather than the fact that they had abusive parents, who probably would have still been abusive anyway either way.
The problem here is that people seem to misunderstand my point. I am against parents choosing cochlear implants and/or oral-only education just because they don't want to learn to sign. My mom says she would have made the implant MY decision and she would have considered it her obligation as a parent to bring me up in a signing environment. But I was born hearing and still am....

R2D2 said:
I don't mean to criticise them for their views, it's their choice. But it would be dangerous if their views became policy for everyone else because many of us came from loving homes and had no issue with the way we were raised. Or if they did have issue they simply move on and get on with the life they want to lead, rather than constantly being angry and looking for somewhere to place the blame.
I am not blaming it on you guys here. I am just sick of selfish parents, corporate advertising, and deaf children who hate being deaf only because their parents didn't respect their deafness. (over half of my deaf friends have felt this way).
 
^Angel^ said:
What about these people who had knee or brain injured and doctors sometimes put those metal caps/plate in their bodies or brains to help them somehow, what if there's was no used of it anymore and have to leave it in forever. have you thought about that?
Your question doesn't make any sense. What do you mean? :confused: :dunno:
 
gnulinuxman said:
I am just sick of selfish parents, corporate advertising, and deaf children who hate being deaf only because their parents didn't respect their deafness.


I haven't heard parents not respecting their children's deafness and I also don't find these parents to be quite selfish either when they only want what best for their children as well as you and I would do for our own right?... :)


If their deaf child had a problem with it, then it would be between the parents and the child ...


Am I correct? :dunno:
 
gnulinuxman said:
I didn't have an abusive mom. My fiancee did.

The problem here is that people seem to misunderstand my point. I am against parents choosing cochlear implants and/or oral-only education just because they don't want to learn to sign. My mom says she would have made the implant MY decision and she would have considered it her obligation as a parent to bring me up in a signing environment. But I was born hearing and still am....

I am not blaming it on you guys here. I am just sick of selfish parents, corporate advertising, and deaf children who hate being deaf only because their parents didn't respect their deafness. (over half of my deaf friends have felt this way).


You keep on tweaking your argument against parents who implants their children. Now it's selfish parents who doesn't want their deaf child to learn sign language. You obviously did not read what I told you to read yesterday. So here is the post I wanted you to read...

My wife brought up a great point. She said the Deaf people often gives a bad impression on the hearing people... when these people gives birth to a deaf child, they automatically remember the experience. They then want to raise their deaf child 100% in a hearing world because they weren't impressed with what happened in the past. I don't blame them.

I've observed (and chided away in embarassment) situations where the Deaf people put a bad taste in the hearing people too many times.


I'm curious, now, how long have you been with the Deaf 24/7 and lived in our culture? I don't think you really understand how obnoxious some Deaf people may come across in the eyes of the hearing people.

I believe that part of your deaf friends' frustration stems from not being able to communicate with their family efficiently. If they could at least hear and talk some, they probably wouldn't have a hard time dealing with their deafness.

BTW, I find it very ironic in your signature that normalcy is overrated. CI isn't normal in the Deaf community... see where this is going? Better take it down before I pull the ownage flag out of my pocket ;)
 
gnulinuxman said:
Your question doesn't make any sense. What do you mean? :confused: :dunno:


It wasn't a question, I was pointing out there are several or many people that may have some sort of metal object implanted, metal plates, pins, screws or surgical staples etc. in their bodies or brains, but I only see that some people are complaining about the CI implants in their head when it no longer help them or whatever reason it may applied, but I don't see a difference, if there are things that are out there that may help some people in a way, or may not but the bottom line is, whether it may still be in their head, bodies, or brains, it won't do no harm or serve any damaged, so why worry?.. :dunno:
 
gnulinuxman said:
Oh, I'm sorry, but in my English class I was taught that "?" means the sentence is a question. :roll: :dunno:

The Deaf people you happen to be defending to the death for has far worse grasp on the English language. This isn't a one-way street, y'know?
 
Fragmenter said:
You keep on tweaking your argument against parents who implants their children. Now it's selfish parents who doesn't want their deaf child to learn sign language. You obviously did not read what I told you to read yesterday. So here is the post I wanted you to read...

My wife brought up a great point. She said the Deaf people often gives a bad impression on the hearing people... when these people gives birth to a deaf child, they automatically remember the experience. They then want to raise their deaf child 100% in a hearing world because they weren't impressed with what happened in the past. I don't blame them.

I've observed (and chided away in embarassment) situations where the Deaf people put a bad taste in the hearing people too many times.


I'm curious, now, how long have you been with the Deaf 24/7 and lived in our culture? I don't think you really understand how obnoxious some Deaf people may come across in the eyes of the hearing people.
In case you haven't noticed, I am a hearing person. Deaf people never seemed annoying to me. I actually would agree with them (even though I grew up around almost entirely hearing people). I never became part of Deaf Culture until a last year in January, but I had deaf friends for 6-7 years before that.

Fragmenter said:
I believe that part of your deaf friends' frustration stems from not being able to communicate with their family efficiently. If they could at least hear and talk some, they probably wouldn't have a hard time dealing with their deafness.
It could be, but I would like to ask why you are telling them "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" instead of "Fight for your rights".

Fragmenter said:
BTW, I find it very ironic in your signature that normalcy is overrated. CI isn't normal in the Deaf community... see where this is going? Better take it down before I pull the ownage flag out of my pocket ;)
I am not normal in the hearing culture, but I am not normal in the Deaf culture either (I'm HEARING, remember?) I am a bicultural-trilingual hearing person.

You must be :Owned: by the hearing world....
 
Fragmenter said:
The Deaf people you happen to be defending to the death for has far worse grasp on the English language. This isn't a one-way street, y'know?
:topic: Perfect English does not equal intelligence, and poor English does not equal poor intelligence... :ugh:
 

YOU see nothing since we shared our feelings with CIers or Ex CIers who wasnt happy because their parents were forced them to have CI if you mind. Dont be so narrowmind , Cloggy.. No wonder you ignored everything what Deaf people here said from their hearts. MIND YOU!

Open up your eyes , Please!! Not [all] good parents. All they do is force and force them to speak only in their home. What s that supposed to be???? Forbid sign language or meet other deafies because of their hearing world rules. SCOFFS! Audsim people didnt change for a better if you mind. It 's their negative view about our deafness and deaf people or deaf community after all they have not seen the fact yet.. JEEZ!!!

Dont you see in many other topics that many deafies had mentioned about it.. Then you lied again since you already saw their comments about it. Jeez!!! For heaven s sake!!!

Grow up!! CLOGGY Stop being so self centered, Sighs!

You know what I respect Rockdrummer because he wants to learn why or how or what or who that relates to our true Deaf experiences that he never knew. He is learning and asking the questions that I have a lot of respect for him. He wants the best interest for his CI failure son because he is completely deaf if you mind. Sighs!

He understood me that it was not intention to point that out to anyone in here. Thanks Rockdrummer for your openmind. I know it s hard on you because you are hearing.. Dont you worry! Rockdrummer. ;)

I m grateful for those people who want to learn and understand us better so that way we can have a UNITY in a diversity world NOT hearing world only.

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
 
Open YOUR eyes, Sweetmind. CI is just a device that helps hear SOME. It enables to hear more or less, depending on many factors.
Certainly a child exposed to both deaf and hearing world won't complain as adult of being separated from deaf culture because of CI - because it won't be.

CLOGGY SIGNS too TO HIS DAUGHTER ! how come you misses this over and over?

he is LEARNING abour deaf culture, deaf needs, by BEIGN here, maybe he participate in deaf events too, or will.

So what's your point?


Certainly being oral helps, as you said so yourself - and hearing a little does too, otherwise all deaf pple would just throw their HAs away.

Fuzzy
 
Bear,
Thanks for your post. Enjoyed reading it. I'll reply inside your quote.
Bear said:
Good posting there Cloggy, glad to see you got the idea that I am trying to put out there. I do wanna hear the positive sides, but not ALL the time ya know? Because then, when that happens, I truly think the message gets lost.
I agree. This is the case for both sides. In a way it's become a balancing act. Too much negativity is counteracted with too much positive. Both sides lose focus because they do not believe the other side.
So, meeting in the middle is ofcourse the way to go. There will still be a balance.


What I meant by that was, people are like well I wanted to give my child a chance to hear. Which is fine, I respect that. I may not agree with implantation of a child, but I respect that it wasn't my decision to make.

But, at the same time my point was what if a deaf mother, said make my child deaf, so my child can grow up knowing what it is like to be deaf.
YOu have to realise that in general terms, we are speaking of hearing parents of deaf children, since most deaf children are born from hearing parents. The situation will be different when the family is deaf...........

Sure it will never happen because who wants that?

My concern is, are some of these parents doing it for their own selfish reasons?

Cloggy, I am in no way saying that anyone here has done that. But, you and I both know that this has more than likely happened.

I am saying I worry that some of these parents out there say oh, I did it to help my child to be able to hear and experience sound. But, deep down inside they know their true motive was not to have to deal with a deaf child.

Some parents are great, but sadly, there are some that aren't.
Of course there are. And I am reacting to treating parents like they do not love their child, like they do not accept deafness, like they hate ASL etc. Most parents (hearing) have no clue about deafness. Put them in your place and read some of the ideas in some of the topics and imagine them reading this. The negativity and assumptions made are enough to put anyone off. So, I am trying to provide another insite. That of the parent with a deaf child...........

I do realize they say the younger they are implanted the better their chances are. But, trying to think of a way to say this without offending anyone. Because it is a concern of mine with a CHILD of mine.

If I had a deaf child and decided for implant and that child died on the operating table due to unknown circumstances before operating. Such as allergic reaction to the anethesia, maybe heart failure. I realize the chances are slim to almost none, but there still is that chance. That alone would scare me away from doing so.

I must say you are definitely braver than me. Because the only way I would put my child on an operating table is for a lifesaving procedure. They wanted to put tubes in my son's ears and I told them hell no! I know for a fact there is medications out there to try FIRST! The doctor then refused to work with us and told me he would no longer be my son's doctor. I said fine, no problem and went to another specialist who agreed surgery is a last resort for that condition and put him on medications which cleared it up right away.

I fear putting my child on the operating table unless it is absolutely necessary.

SO, like I said you are braver than me.
It's not braver, it's having a different view on risks. When a simple operation can help my child, great. Medicine can have sideeffects that are much harder to counteract. The body is extremely well equipped to heal mechanical damage like a cut. Syntetic damage or polution like medicine are sometimes very tough on a body. They might cure one thing and start something else.
So for us, the operation was an acceptble risk. Sure there are fears, but that's part of the territory of having children......


Whereas, with the CI itself I am very very undereducated. I know very little about them.
That's fine. This is the place to ask. Me about CI in children, Neecy about CI after wearing a HA for 20+ years, Drummer about how it didn't work for his son, and there many others.. There are lots of experts here..........

I will answer the other questions later if needed. I'm sure other will explain as well.

C U later,
Cloggy
 
gnulinuxman said:
In case you haven't noticed, I am a hearing person. Deaf people never seemed annoying to me. I actually would agree with them (even though I grew up around almost entirely hearing people). I never became part of Deaf Culture until a last year in January, but I had deaf friends for 6-7 years before that.

It could be, but I would like to ask why you are telling them "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" instead of "Fight for your rights".

I am not normal in the hearing culture, but I am not normal in the Deaf culture either (I'm HEARING, remember?) I am a bicultural-trilingual hearing person.

You must be :Owned: by the hearing world....

LOL. Exactly. I knew you were hearing and you've only been in the culture for a year compared to me and all of my 25 years. I know and you do not. End of argument.

You do not understand my point. I am not saying for the Deaf to join them -- they just need to realize that this world is theirs and they are never going to cater to us. Just learn how to get along with them on a daily basis without being a hermit.

The hearing world is a huge mixing bowl to have any kind of normalcy so even your whole family tree is not normal in this world. The only way you may not be normal in this world is if you aren't psychologically healthy.

I only interact with the hearing people whenever I'm at work and with a select few hearing friends after work. I have hearing in-laws and so forth. These people are the only ones I interact with outside of the deaf community. The effort I spend to interact with the hearing saps my energy and seeing how easy my oral deaf wife gets through these situations is more than enough for me to see the big picture.

Knowledge owns you here, my friend ;)
 
gnulinuxman said:
:topic: Perfect English does not equal intelligence, and poor English does not equal poor intelligence... :ugh:

To each his own but I'm not going to let you attack somebody's English when the people you defend has the same difficulties. That is double standards, y'know?
 
Open YOUR eyes, Sweetmind. CI is just a device that helps hear SOME. It enables to hear more or less, depending on many factors.
Certainly a child exposed to both deaf and hearing world won't complain as adult of being separated from deaf culture because of CI - because it won't be.

NO I didnt have to open eyes until CLOGGY has to accept that his daughter is deaf with CI or HA. He spoke for himself not his daughter. Thats why I resisted it from him. I was a deaf child myself and knew whats it alike to process to learn how to speak and listen with my HA. JEEZ! I bet he s still pretend that she is NOT hearing so he lied to make himself look good.

And he thinks many of deafies are trapped into Deaf community. For heaven s sake we all did mingle both sides so what makes him saying that? Thats a big lie.. I m so sick of people who thinks that I am living in Deaf community. JEEZ! All they do degrade me for my being deaf and love Deaf community because they allowed me for who I am whlie Hearing people doesnt know or have their attitude about us and our hands to communicate. Scoffs!

It doesnt matter to me anymore since CI doctor or Audiologist professional is very clever and sleazy that too many children do not hear with their HA that is impossible. I appreciated those CIers or ex CIers shared with me in a very honest approach about CI device. Now I know i have told the truth that CI is not gonna to make you hear everything just like Hearing aid if you mind.. Why destroy those kids's Residual Hearing, who are very innocent???

Since I can hear the bird with HA when everything is calm down and quiet if you mind after I realized that. NICE excuses that we couldnt hear with the bird s singing with HA whoever said it .. That is a big lie. I know the difference between Deaf and HOH.

Oh yea!! tell me why a ex CI kid who failed with CI itself and continually to use SEE while his writing is not so great since age two in mainstream. SO tell me how to solve the problem?? Ignore this CI failure s needs in mainstream school.. UMMPPHH. Something wrong here!

And I dont appreciate for anyone to destroy their residual hearings while they still can hear with their HA. Scoffs! Thats why I am against it.

Thats why it s important to have ASL from the start that many parents dont give their kids to have ASL because parent did not know any better and uneducated. After all, they get the wrong idea about ASL so why is that?

Now u can see why I dont agree with SEE itself. Thanks!

Yea why dont you open your eyes as well?

Thank you! ;)

Sweetmind
 
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Cloggy has repeatedly said (directed at YOU!) that his daughter is deaf without the CI, and that she can hear with it. He's said she is learning ASL and will learn about deaf culture. You choose to ignore everything he tells you in favor of whining the same thing over and over again.

You wouldn't listen to him then. You won't listen to him now - is it any wonder he's stopped replying to your rants?

Sweetmind said:
NO I didnt have to open eyes until CLOGGY has to accept that his daughter is deaf with CI or HA. He spoke for himself not his daughter. Thats why I resisted it from him. I was a deaf child myself and knew whats it alike to process to learn how to speak and listen with my HA. JEEZ! I bet he s still pretend that she is NOT hearing so he lied to make himself look good.

And he thinks many of deafies are trapped into Deaf community. For heaven s sake we all did mingle both sides so what makes him saying that? Thats a big lie.. I m so sick of people who thinks that I am living in Deaf community. JEEZ! All they do degrade me for my being deaf and love Deaf community because they allowed me for who I am whlie Hearing people doesnt know or have their attitude about us and our hands to communicate. Scoffs!

It doesnt matter to me anymore since CI doctor or Audiologist professional is very clever and sleazy that too many children do not hear with their HA that is impossible. I appreciated those CIers or ex CIers shared with me in a very honest approach about CI device. Now I know i have told the truth that CI is not gonna to make you hear everything just like Hearing aid if you mind.. Why destroy those kids's Residual Hearing, who are very innocent???

Since I can hear the bird with HA when everything is calm down and quiet if you mind after I realized that. NICE excuses that we couldnt hear with the bird s singing with HA whoever said it .. That is a big lie. I know the difference between Deaf and HOH.

Oh yea!! tell me why a ex CI kid who failed with CI itself and continually to use SEE while his writing is not so great since age two in mainstream. SO tell me how to solve the problem?? Ignore this CI failure s needs in mainstream school.. UMMPPHH. Something wrong here!

And I dont appreciate for anyone to destroy their residual hearings while they still can hear with their HA. Scoffs! Thats why I am against it.

Thats why it s important to have ASL from the start that many parents dont give their kids to have ASL because parent did not know any better and uneducated. After all, they get the wrong idea about ASL so why is that?

Now u can see why I dont agree with SEE itself. Thanks!

Yea why dont you open your eyes as well?

Thank you! ;)

Sweetmind
 
Cloggy has repeatedly said (directed at YOU!) that his daughter is deaf without the CI, and that she can hear with it. He's said she is learning ASL and will learn about deaf culture. You choose to ignore everything he tells you in favor of whining the same thing over and over again.

You wouldn't listen to him then. You won't listen to him now - is it any wonder he's stopped replying to your rants?


YOu dont know nothing about him ever since I had dealing with him for more than 1 1/2 years after all he has no respect for all of deafies especially me and CSN ..He has no respect for me after all he namedcalled me tooo many times. Guess what he might be the representative for CI corporation that is how people pushed too far.

Why dont you back off and jumped into the ocean? Find the shark who does bite and think it knows all. Thank you!

I am so glad that I have proved that CI and HA are the same behavioral patterns that we do not hear everything. MIND YOU! Finally I got them to face the fact.

I simply dont respect and trust him after all he hasnt been telling the truth for more than a year. It goes for you too since you are latened deaf that cannot compare us and our deafness if you mind. He thinks he knows everything about our deafness. MIND YOU! I respect rockdrummer all the way.. That s different between Cloggy and Rockdrummer s attitude.

Deaf will be always deaf. Some of you wont accept or listen. So what s your problem ?

Thank you!
Sweetmind
 
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ANd you both have NOT respect my asking not to discuss in CI in my topic post but you ignored. So therefore you are asking for it. I m here to stand up for our Deaf children to protect from destroy their true identity and their hands to communicate with.

I guess you both are being so hardheaded because you ignored everything I have said in a very honest way because i feel parents should know the truth. I care about the parents and Deaf children s best interest. So I am all wrong wrong wrong as you think.. Guess what you both are wrong from the start all along. I have to laugh because you are still trying to bite my arse every single day in here. Keep it up!

I proved it already so I m not making myself fool out of it. ;)

JEEZ!
Sweetmind
 
Sweetmind said:
YOu dont know nothing about him ever since I had dealing with him for more than 1 1/2 years after all he has no respect for all of deafies especially me and CSN ..He has no respect for me after all he namedcalled me tooo many times. Guess what he might be the represenative for CI corporation that is how people pushed too far.

So thats a reason to keep saying the same things,and making the same arguements even when its refuted?

Why dont you back off and jumped into the ocean? Find the shark who does bite and think it knows all. Thank you!

This is rather amusing.

I am so glad that I have proved that CI and HA are the same behavioral patterns that we do not hear everything. MIND YOU! Finally I got them to face the fact.

Nobody here has said that CI's or HA's help people hear everything clearly, and no you didn't get them to "face the facts." They knew that all along, you just refused to see it, because you'd have to admit you were wrong, and we know you won't do that.

Deaf will be always deaf. Some of you wont accept or listen. So what s your problem ?

I know that, Cloggy knows that, so does everybody else, but it seems to me that you are the one who won't listen.
 
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