end times and rapture and hurricanes????

[Maria]

Check my previous post
http://www.alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=399563&postcount=62

I don't beleive it's God or Jesus's speaking over Hell... If it's true what you claim then show me scriptures.

Read previous post at http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=21344&page=3&pp=20 ( # 59 )

I already explained about Hell. Here's the scripture you may find it in YOUR bible.

Read these scriptures:
Luke 16:19-31 "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

 

[Askjo]

Is this what you mean? If yes, then you got it WRONG![/COLOR]

If you do not believe in the Bible, you contradict yourself when you said you believe in the Scripture. Is the Bible the Scripture?

Because we never say that we don't beleive or reject God & Jesus but different belief as you. Nobody here reject God & Jesus but accept them in our heart.I would like to tell you that I'm a neutral person who respect people with kind of religions like Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, Catholic, Jehovah Witness, Momon, Baptist, Christians, evolution or whatever) - no matter what. .

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Buddhist Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Muslim Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Hindu Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Catholic Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Jehovah Witness Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Momon Scripture?

And so on. Which Scripture do you believe?

If you know God & Jesus, Which God? Which Jesus?

Would we go to hell when we die because we have different belief than you?

If your belief and my belief agree each other, I would agree with you. If your belief and my belief disagree each other, there is a problem because of SOME MAJOR FALSE DOCTRINES THAT ARE A DANGER TO BIBLE-BELIEVING CHURCHES.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If God gave me a good reason to do it.

Example?

I would NOT just "walk thru fire"

This is an exactly what I mean is YOU, ME and ANYONE know it´s impossible to walk thru fire because we were taught to not do that.

You know that you CAN'T because you have no faith in God; you have faith only in yourself. I have already trusted God with my immortal soul; I can trust Him for everything else, too. I also trust God to not do foolish things.

What should I understand this? I CAN´t go thru fire BECAUSE I was taught that the fire is HOT. I also was taught that I could be burnt if I go thru fire. Got it?
I had been touch fire out of curious when I was a little girl and know what is this and then learn my lesson for not touch fire even again. I beleive it´s your parents who taught you to not touch fire, not God, right? If yes, why you said that I have no faith in God? He is not there for us, that´s why we do something to protect ourselves like what you mentioned in other threads that you have some guns to protect yourself... Right?

 

[Askjo]

I don't beleive it's God or Jesus's speaking over Hell... If it's true what you claim then show me scriptures.

Look at CyberRed's response to you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

God IS there for us. The world situation would be much, much worse without the influence of the Holy Spirit and the providence of God. God does expect us to do the right things and use common sense. No matter what though, God is in control.

*sigh* - look at innoncent people who want to protect their life but they killed unexpectly by terrorist... example 11/9...

Hobbies? I don't understand.

You mentioned "skyscraper" which it mean is hobby... something like that bungy jump, climb up to high cliff, skyjumper, diving from high cliff, mountain, tower, or balloon etc. That´s what you mean... ? Am I mistake or what?

You say that "God don't like it" but you also say "God is not there." Which is it? Are you saying that God doesn't like evil to happen but He just ignores it?

I thought you know that Jesus is peacemaker? The reason God send Jesus to earth to make peace, not war. Remember, the war is a murder. Weapons are also too...

War is a terrible thing! War is always the result of sin (Romans 3:10-18).

Ex 20:13—“You shall not murder.” The intention of all of the Ten Commandments is to foster peace.

Isa 9:6—God gave His son as the “Prince of Peace,”

Mt 5:9—“Blessed are the peacemakers.” Jesus said, Why? Because God values peace.

War is a reality among us, because there is war within us. James 4:1 says, “What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from desires that battle within you?”

Love of enemies and the willingness to accept, rather than inflict suffering is an essential sign of the presence of the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9-17; 12; 2 Corinthians 5: 16-6: 10; Ephesians 2:11-18; Philippians 2:5-1 1; 3:17-21; 1 Peter 4:12-19).
When Jesus was arrested, Peter started to defend him, but Jesus said, “Put your sword away!” (John 18:1 1).

I'm sorry, I guess I was not clear. I wasn't talking about hobbies or jobs. I was trying to explain living in God's will. Obeying God is the safest way to live. Disobeying God is the most dangerous way to live. It doesn't matter what the job is. Obeying God in the middle of a war zone is safer than disobeying God in the middle of a cozy family room.

I want to convince you that theré´re people who have kind of life like this everyday with no get protection from God. We were taught to protect ourselves from evil world. We were not born at Jesus time... It would be great if we were there at Jesus time... After Jesus died for our sins, we people began to learn how to protect ourselves with our own strength without God´s help.

I understand what you mean about living in God´s will. Yes we respect and accept God & Jesus in our hearts because we beleive them. It´s God who give us strength to protect our lives and know thru our knowledge what kind of life what we wants. It doesn´t mean that we disobey God, that´s because we have to protect ourselves.

And who originally taught the people who taught the people? It was God!

Remember that we are not at God & Jesus time... We were born thousand years later after Earth were creation. I only say that I was taught by people, not God.
Yes, we were taught by people... Eve and Adam are first people who were taught by God... then Eve & Adam taught their children.... .... ... ....

Who said, "Thou shalt not kill"?

Who said, "Thou shalt not steal"?

etc.

Again, we were not born at God & Jesus time.

It´s God who taught Eve & Adam not to do that.... Eve disobey God for eat fruit from special tree.
I was taught by people, not God to not do that... We were learn by people to lead negative and positive life.

God never said to "let the children whatever they wants". God told children to honor and obey their fathers and mothers.

This is about respect. Yes. You talked in previous post about the God who protect us... I tried to convince you that it´s not God but we who protect our life instead let children to risk their live because we know the God protect them... Noooooo... It´s us who teach them to not do that... teach them to respect...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I think ckfarbes and CyberRed can take care of their own business without your reminder.

Is it harm to remind her? Remember, this public forum is for anyone make their posts I hope people will answer ckfarbes´s questions some day because I´m interesting to know about this.

I can't speak for CyberRed, but for myself I sometimes don't reply to ckfarbes because he uses bad language and curses, and tries to lead every religious topic down the racist rabbit trail. He makes personal attacks and insults. That is not part of a reasonable debate. When he is calm and reasonable, I reply. When he calls names or takes the racist route, I tune him out.

I tried to re-read ckfarbes´s posts here & see no insult and bashing in his response posts on you or others. I see nothing wrong to have him to disagree with us here because he has different belief than us. The worst is some of Christian people here tell us to go hell because we have different belief than them. Is it okay to have them to tell me to go hell that´s because I have different opinion for beleive God and Jesus? But I STILL debate with them in polite & general way instead being offensive because they use word "hell" to offend me. I felt it´s Christians who continue to push and push us and think they are right and we are wrong. I think it´s shame to judge people to live wrong and tell them to go hell...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ok, I got it clear what you mean. It's why God was tryin' to warn people about the authors who altered ( changed ) the Word of God. Let me show the scriptures where it stated:

Revelation 22:18-19
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

See above what God says about the authors who altered ( changed ) His Word and He will judge them for leadin' people away from God. If, the authors took God's Word away ( omit )from the HOLY BIBLE, God will take the authors' life out of the book of life, out of the holy city, and from the things which ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK ( Holy Bible ). If, the authors add their own words in God's Word in the Holy Bible, God will ADD into the authors the PLAGUES that ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK ( Holy Bible ). It's NOT funny to play with God.

I recalled readin' one book about one man ( author ) who wrote a different version of bible. He omitted more than ONE verse from the Holy Bible and ADD his own words in the Holy Bible ( changed from God's Word to man's word ). You know what happened to this author ? God plagued this man and that man was sent to the aslyum ( mental ) hospital for the rest of his life... and, that cut his life short.

It's not people's fault. It's the authors' responsibility for million and million of people that the authors caused. God will judge for that cause.

It´s an exactly what I thought so. That´s why I beleive only God and Jesus and true scriptures.

I ask to myself many times either the bible is the word of God or not because I dont know either author wrote correct or not because many authors who have different opinions to use God & Jesus´s scriptures.

Thank you for give me scripture Revelation 22:18-19. I will check those scripture in my bible to compare with your bible.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Read previous post at http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=21344&page=3&pp=20 ( # 59 )

I already explained about Hell. Here's the scripture you may find it in YOUR bible.

Read these scriptures:
Luke 16:19-31 "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Yes I answered my post with link after read your and Askjo´s post. My link is number 62, your is 59... That´s why I remind Askjo with my link with number 62 to response you and his post.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If you do not believe in the Bible, you contradict yourself when you said you believe in the Scripture. Is the Bible the Scripture? Scripture?

Is the Bible the Word of God? I don´t know.
Is the Scripture Word of God? Yes, I beleive.

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Buddhist

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Muslim Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Hindu Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Catholic Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Jehovah Witness Scripture?

If you believe in the Scripture, do you believe in Momon Scripture?

Well, all of Scriptures are same... Yes. (I compared bibles with jehovah withness, baptist and catholic - I saw all the scriptures are same but opinion to use scriptures are different.) I haven´t try to learn what kind of bible Buddish, Hindu, Momon, or any religons have... to compare with my bibles. I would say what I know if I have all of them. I would love to learn about them.
All what I do is RESPECT people who have different belief than us. This is about respect. Of course I collect their beliefs because I respect them which it´s good that they did not push me to beleive them but show their respect on me.

And so on. Which Scripture do you believe?

Like what I say before that I´m a neutral person who accept every belief. No matter what. I don´t beleive to worship kind of religons but God and Jesus, period. I don´t go to church to pray but pray EVERYWHERE whatever I like because Jesus pray everywhere, not church. I´m interesting to learn more scriptures to find out what they try to tell us. Sometimes I´m agree with author who wrote kind of bibles. Depend what I agree or not... Sometimes I doubt either those bible is the God´s word?

If you know God & Jesus, Which God? Which Jesus? If your belief and my belief agree each other, I would agree with you. If your belief and my belief disagree each other, there is a problem because of SOME MAJOR FALSE DOCTRINES THAT ARE A DANGER TO BIBLE-BELIEVING CHURCHES.

I´m afraid yes, I see the problem is we have different belief but I respect your belief but why can´t you do the same with me instead of tell me go hell?

Its fine with me if you worship only Christian bibles and beleive they are correct than other belief´s bibles. I´m a neutral person who accept every beliefs because I respect them.

 

[darkflare83]

that s true there s tons of scripture if you dont know which is real then why not ask god y ourself?

 

[Reba]

Don't twist it... I said in my previous posts that I beleive only Scriptures and doubt bibles.

The Holy Scriptures of Jews are the Old Testament of the Holy Bible.
The Holy Scriptures of Christians are the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

Please explain how you can believe "only Scriptures" but not the Bible.

 

[Reba]

I tried to re-read ckfarbes´s posts here & see no insult and bashing in his response posts on you or others. ...

These are not rude statements?

:roll: simply says "what the B*LL!!" ::: *SIGH* :::

askjo and crybered did ruining the thread and they already gave me bad headache big time!! UGHHHHHhhhhhh...

.. END OF DISCUSSION PERIOD! walk away from KJV people who stupidly argue against KJV people...

I aint damn NEW KING JAMES BIBLE, HELLO! get it!?

Apparently you haven't read all of ckfarbes' responses to me and others in other threads, or else you would understand what I am talking about.

Sometimes he and I have rational discussions together but also sometimes he uses very nasty language. Those are the times it is better just to stay cool and step back.

That is the best way to douse the flaming.

 

[Reba]

Originally Posted by Reba
If God gave me a good reason to do it.

Example?

Suppose the government told me that I must publicly deny Jesus Christ as my Savior. They tell me if I don't do that, they will force me to walk thru a fire. I can't deny my Savior, so I would have to walk thru the fire.

Or, suppose God sends me to a dangerous place to spread His Gospel; that is a good reason to risk death.

Many people have been martyrs for God. They have died for their faith. It is not unusual. Jews killed early Christians, Romans killed Christians during the reign of the Caesars, the Catholic Church tortured and killed Christians during the Inquisition, Communists tortured, killed and imprisoned Christians in Russia, China, Korea, and other countries, etc. Many Christian missionaries have been killed in many countries.

I would NOT just "walk thru fire"

This is an exactly what I mean is YOU, ME and ANYONE know it´s impossible to walk thru fire because we were taught to not do that.

It is not "impossible"--if God wants to save someone thru a fire, He CAN do it. God proved that He can do it in the verses I showed you about the three Hebrew boys. ONLY God can do it. We can't do it in our own power.

You know that you CAN'T because you have no faith in God; you have faith only in yourself. I have already trusted God with my immortal soul; I can trust Him for everything else, too. I also trust God to not do foolish things.

What should I understand this? I CAN´t go thru fire BECAUSE I was taught that the fire is HOT. I also was taught that I could be burnt if I go thru fire. Got it?

You are right; you can't understand because it requires faith.

I had been touch fire out of curious when I was a little girl and know what is this and then learn my lesson for not touch fire even again. I beleive it´s your parents who taught you to not touch fire, not God, right? If yes, why you said that I have no faith in God? He is not there for us, that´s why we do something to protect ourselves like what you mentioned in other threads that you have some guns to protect yourself... Right?

Yes, my parents told me not to touch fire.
God gave me the parents who taught me. God gave them the wisdom to teach me. God gave me the understanding to learn.
I say that you have no faith because you yourself said, "He is not there for us." If you have faith, you would say, "He IS there for us."
As I said before, God gives us wisdom and abilities to take care of ourselves in a reasonable way. He also gives believers faith to do things beyond normal reasoning. Yes, I have guns for reasonable protection. I also have faith in God that He will guide me in what to do. When He sends me to places where I can't take guns, that is fine with me. I obey and go. If He wants me to go somewhere with guns, fine, I go there, too.

What should I understand this? I CAN´t go thru fire BECAUSE I was taught that the fire is HOT. I also was taught that I could be burnt if I go thru fire. Got it?

I can't go thru fire either, just for myself. I can't go thru fire just to tempt God. The only way I could safely go thru a fire would be if God wanted to use that experience for His glory. That depends on His will.

 

[Maria]

Lieblin' --

I read your post # 146 about "remindin' me of CKFarbes' questions" ... Please, don't. I don't need people to remind me about CKFarbes' questions. I don't need your "reminder".

Next time, if you see other ADers who wish to know the answers from me with their questions - DON'T remind me. Ok ? Thanks......

 

[Reba]

Most christians did not pay attetion most powerful verses of Matthew 24:5, 23-24; on and on...

Matthew 24
Jesus said:

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

...keep in mind, I believe that I am HE!

So what are you saying, exactly? I don't want to put words in your mouth, or misinterpret what you are stating.

 

[Reba]

WOW! ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT YOU SAID YOU VE EXPERIENCED GOD?????????

I AM MOTIVE TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS:

I hope my questions won't get on your nerve!

Can you interpetation of Genesis 9:18-27 to me?

1) I was wondering if Canaan is jewish or the what? if you do care to example to me as long as you can?

2) people of cannan are no longer in land of canaan, then who taken land which they claim their and what happen to cannaanite people, where they are now??

3) do you believe that african-american people are actually original nation from ancient canaan?

4) who is Nimrod?

5) was not He the first black kingdom of Babel?

6) why Noah said nimrod came from ham's lineage, not jewish race, I need to know what color of the race he born within?

7) the beast is truly the black man?, since Nimrod was the beast, mighty hunter on earth, is that true??

I hope You do actually care whole things to example to me! thanks!

First of all, how are these questions relevant to the topic?

Secondly, why do you always bring up skin color in every religion topic?

Since there is interest in your topic, may I suggest some answers? I will post each one separately, to keep them short. These are just my opinions.

 

[Reba]

1. Was Canaan Jewish?

Canaan was the son of Ham, and grandson of Noah.

A Jew originally described a person who lived in Judah. It was a name commonly used by non-Jews to refer to Hebrews or descendants of Abraham. It was also used as a name for Israelites, especially in the New Testament.

A Hebrew is a descendant of Abraham. Therefore, no one was a Hebrew who lived before Abraham.

Israelites are descended from the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel.

Canaan lived before Abraham and Jacob; therefore, he was not a Jew.

 

[Reba]

2) people of cannan are no longer in land of canaan, then who taken land which they claim their and what happen to cannaanite people, where they are now??

The Canaanites descended from Ham, and lived in ancient Phoenicia, Syria, and Palestine regions.

Their history is very long and complicated. I have tried to think of a way to condense it but it is hard.

They lived in many city-state monarchies that experienced many battles and influences from outside tribes, armies, and cultures. Some Canaanites went to Egypt. Some became merchant sailors and traders, especially from the Phonecian ports.

They seem to have been absorbed into the surrounding cultures, in that there are no Canaanites anymore.

This question really requires a long report and more research.

What do you think happened to them?

 

[Reba]

3) do you believe that african-american people are actually original nation from ancient canaan?

I don't think so because the areas in which the Canaanites lived were not usually the source for African slaves that were sent to the Americas. That is just my opinion.

 

[Reba]

4) who is Nimrod?

I thought you were the expert on Nimrod.

Nimrod was the son of Cush, and lived in Babylon. He was a great hunter and warrior.