Does anyone else feel like their life was ruined by mainstream school

DeafTim said:
should seen the look on her face when she saw my middle finger...I would do it again all over...her face was purple. :lol: her jaw dropped.. :lol: ...her eyes were big :lol: PRICELESS!!!
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I'm sorry but that was a major lol
 
DeafTim said:
I remember I was mainstreamed part-time in elementary and I hated it so much b/c I couldnt understand the teachers and hearin students were ahead of me. I was behind. That's all I remember. I know I cried...

In junior high, things were very bad. There was only one deaf program teacher and I made her cry several times. Me and my buddy were talkin about that on facebook several months ago. One day, this fuckin bitch who was in charge of the deaf program came in the classroom. I gave the bitch the finger and was suspended for five days. She even called my parents. She ruled us...she died last yr and on my facebook I said I wasnt sorry to hear her death. I absolutely fuckin hated that bitch...should seen the look on her face when she saw my middle finger...I would do it again all over...her face was purple. :lol: her jaw dropped.. :lol: ...her eyes were big :lol: PRICELESS!!!

In highschool, things were even worst...failed all of my classes beside gym..the teachers werent patient with me..one day, female teacher unplugged my computer in very rude manner and students burst out laughin...it was embarassin. I remember one teacher got fed up with me and never wore the microphone again. I didnt even got a D..all F's..no one cared about my report cards... I told this teacher I was quittin school as soon as I turn 18 and she laughed at me. She enjoyed seein me suffer for no damn reason. Audism is downright evil..I know some of you know Im dealin with very bad audism. I just know that. After I quit school for good is the best decision I've ever made..I was happier, didnt have panic attacks, no more anxiety.. it was greatest feelin in the world. I got over it very quick. The only regret I have after I dropped out of school is I left my deaf friends..I never looked back b/c I was desperately wanted out of there.. I learned this summer, my junior high school was demolished and that was a good feelin..dont have to ever see that school again...my highschool was already demolished 3 or 4 yrs ago. It seems like audists doesnt want us to be happy...can someone tell us why we were forced mainstream? that would be great! When I got my GED, only one person was excited for me.. :aw:

My schools was 40-50 miles away and on Fridays were the hardest days to wake up and dress for school...I'd wake up at 5am everyday...so fuckin wrong...maybe it's the reason why Im not married and have no kids..very understandable I guess.

My last yr in highschool, I had 5 study hall classes..and what did I do? I slept and slept..one day I had a wet dream.. :lol: should have seen all the looks on virgin chicks faces.. I'll never forget that. :) They blushed and stared at each others in disbelief..it was funny...sorry girls...even the male teacher was laughin with the guys.

The avatar reminds me of me when I gave the bitch the finger..we all know she deserved it. In my avatar is Mike Ditka, former Bears coach gave fans the finger. :lol:
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OMG deaftim!!!!!!! I know... middle and high school are awful. That's why going off to deaf school for middle and high school, should be an option for even orally sucessful or mainstreamed kids...I mean go ou were in a deaf program,but it was an oral one right?
 
deafdyke said:
OMG deaftim!!!!!!! I know... middle and high school are awful. That's why going off to deaf school for middle and high school, should be an option for even orally sucessful or mainstreamed kids...I mean go ou were in a deaf program,but it was an oral one right?
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You know how I felt when I was in junior high and highschool. I felt so hopeless. Those days were very hard on me and no reasons for me to go through that at all. :aw: Only one deaf program class in junior high and two deaf classes in highschool. Several deaf-mute students in classes so no just not oral...oral and asl..that's why I only know some asl. I suffered from emotional abuse b/c I was mainstreamed..just makes me so mad when I think about it..just aint right. I was shocked when I learned a lot of deaf kids were mainstreamed. Im sure more deaf kids failed than passed. :dunno:

I remember in junior high, me and my female friend went to math class together..she had more hearin than me and we cheated all the time. We copied answers from teacher's math book and took the answers with us. The math book was in our deaf class..thats how we got the answers.

No, I dont have anger problem, I was just a bad kid. I've been suspended several times and that was a huge relief for me b/c I know I wouldnt miss hearin classes...and a break from very long bus rides.

What about you deafdyke? Did you get any Fs? :lol:
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry but that was a major lol
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The lady was sittin across the table from me. I put my middle finger on my forehead when I got her attention. After she left, I thought I got away. Almost at the end of day, I was sent to principal's office. He bitched at me and I told him I dont know what he was talkin about.. he slapped me with 5 days suspension slip. I was like YES!!. I never saw the lady again. :lol: Man, that was fun...even the principal didnt like me..laughed in his face with a deaf buddy of mine...we gave him hell!
 
Reading some of these stories can bring tears to anyone's eyes.....

Fortunately, it wasn't that bad for me (in the 60's)....which is surprisingly, since most of the stories happend in the 80's-90's and up....Unbelievable things of this nature have been allowed to continue!

As for me, my hearing had dropped to 60/40...always had been a good student (public school), and wore no HA...Started having problems in reading class, then sitting in the middle or the back of the class...my grades did a nose-dive.....But, luckily...my Math teacher became so concerned over my grades, and he realized that I was not able to "hear"...so he had me sit right beside his desk. My grades came up, but not for reading class or Music....He then asked for a hearing test on me (at school), and that started the process....Seeing a doctor, then having a surgery on both ears, then becoming totally deaf.....

I was made fun of in Music class, by the Teacher.... not being able to hear the notes, etc., so I was happy not to have to attend that class anymore.

As for teachers in public school being bad, there are some at deaf schools who do the same....as I had a Homeroom teacher at NCSD who did not like me for some reason....to find out it was because I scored the highest on all the Tests we had...and she had a "teacher's pet" that scored below me...She gave me an extremely hard time....

But here is no amonisty (hard feelings or hatred) at all...hurt feelings perhaps at the time...And there are 2 Teachers that I remember as if were "yesterday" that made a huge difference in my Life...One was my Math teacher, Mr. Barrett, (public school) and one at NCSD (deaf school), Mrs. Chapman, my English teacher.

So, DeafTim, (or Tim), my advise to you would be to free ur mind and heart of all this "hate" you have...forgive...perhaps never forgetting, but "forgive"...it will only make you more bitter...
 
rockin'robin said:
Reading some of these stories can bring tears to anyone's eyes.....

Fortunately, it wasn't that bad for me (in the 60's)....which is surprisingly, since most of the stories happend in the 80's-90's and up....Unbelievable things of this nature have been allowed to continue!

As for me, my hearing had dropped to 60/40...always had been a good student (public school), and wore no HA...Started having problems in reading class, then sitting in the middle or the back of the class...my grades did a nose-dive.....But, luckily...my Math teacher became so concerned over my grades, and he realized that I was not able to "hear"...so he had me sit right beside his desk. My grades came up, but not for reading class or Music....He then asked for a hearing test on me (at school), and that started the process....Seeing a doctor, then having a surgery on both ears, then becoming totally deaf.....

I was made fun of in Music class, by the Teacher.... not being able to hear the notes, etc., so I was happy not to have to attend that class anymore.

As for teachers in public school being bad, there are some at deaf schools who do the same....as I had a Homeroom teacher at NCSD who did not like me for some reason....to find out it was because I scored the highest on all the Tests we had...and she had a "teacher's pet" that scored below me...She gave me an extremely hard time....

But here is no amonisty (hard feelings or hatred) at all...hurt feelings perhaps at the time...And there are 2 Teachers that I remember as if were "yesterday" that made a huge difference in my Life...One was my Math teacher, Mr. Barrett, (public school) and one at NCSD (deaf school), Mrs. Chapman, my English teacher.

So, DeafTim, (or Tim), my advise to you would be to free ur mind and heart of all this "hate" you have...forgive...perhaps never forgetting, but "forgive"...it will only make you more bitter...
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My mind is free...I let it go long time ago..I just want all of you to know what I went through..of all deaf students, I was mainstreamed the most..felt like I was bein punished for havin bad ears..picked on, bullied, bein teased to death...Today, Im cool..not a criminal..You're right, Ill never forget what I went through..I remember one of deaf students was in same class with me(forget the name of class room, something like wood-workin class)in highschool) he was cryin sayin to me I dont understand the test..I told him just circle the answers to the questions. Now, He works at Walmart where I shop.. He doesnt even understand why he is not married and no kids...like me, we didnt grow up in our communities.
 
DeafTim said:
My mind is free...I let it go long time ago..I just want all of you to know what I went through..of all deaf students, I was mainstreamed the most..felt like I was bein punished for havin bad ears..picked on, bullied, bein teased to death...Today, Im cool..not a criminal..You're right, Ill never forget what I went through..I remember one of deaf students was in same class with me(forget the name of class room, something like wood-workin class)in highschool) he was cryin sayin to me I dont understand the test..I told him just circle the answers to the questions. Now, He works at Walmart where I shop.. He doesnt even understand why he is not married and no kids...like me, we didnt grow up in our communities.
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*nods* Well even thou yu've got a free mind, it's still a lot like having PSTD right? It's horrible.......and I would LOVE for those inclusion/mainstream advocates to spend a week or so as a mainstreamed dhh kid in middle and hig school! Why is it, that promainstreamers seem to think that kids will reap the benifits, and none of the downsides?
 
Fortunately, it wasn't that bad for me (in the 60's)....which is surprisingly, since most of the stories happend in the 80's-90's and up....Unbelievable things of this nature have been allowed to continue!
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It was a different world......it really was. I mean obviously, back then the manstreamed kids were seen as the "smart ones" They weren't bagged down by being lumped in with the special ed kids.
 
deafdyke said:
*nods* Well even thou yu've got a free mind, it's still a lot like having PSTD right? It's horrible.......and I would LOVE for those inclusion/mainstream advocates to spend a week or so as a mainstreamed dhh kid in middle and hig school! Why is it, that promainstreamers seem to think that kids will reap the benifits, and none of the downsides?
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They dont care about the downsides. They wanted us to blend in with the hearies. The schools failed me, the city failed me, my parents failed me. The teachers failed me. I should sue them besides my parents. :P Mainstream advocates are shady people. They know how to manipulate parents with deaf kids. They're master manipulators.

Im sure I suffered a lot from PSTD... You're right, it's horrible!! I failed classes before I got to highschool and was forced to continue attend hearin classes. Every yr, I was failin. I remember I was distractin students in typewriting class and the teacher walked over and turned my typewriter off. One day, I skipped the class and got caught. Yes, one day suspension. I was emotional abused and maybe thats why Im not a sensitive person today. What I went thru, just toughened me up. Im emotion scarred for good. :aw: The advocates got what they wanted from me. They're just cruel,cruel people.

EDIT: Im glad I got to share my horrible experience with you people. :)
 
DeafTim said:
They dont care about the downsides. They wanted us to blend in with the hearies. The schools failed me, the city failed me, my parents failed me. The teachers failed me. I should sue them besides my parents. :P Mainstream advocates are shady people. They know how to manipulate parents with deaf kids. They're master manipulators.

Im sure I suffered a lot from PSTD... You're right, it's horrible!! I failed classes before I got to highschool and was forced to continue attend hearin classes. Every yr, I was failin. I remember I was distractin students in typewriting class and the teacher walked over and turned my typewriter off. One day, I skipped the class and got caught. Yes, one day suspension. I was emotional abused and maybe thats why Im not a sensitive person today. What I went thru, just toughened me up. Im emotion scarred for good. :aw: The advocates got what they wanted from me. They're just cruel,cruel people.

EDIT: Im glad I got to share my horrible experience with you people. :)
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Dude, I wish you were nearby.......at least you got to attend a deaf program. I did things SOLO!!!! And in a district that was filled with REALLY nasty kids, who thought I was mentally disabled, even thou my ONLY remedial level class was math, and I took two foriegn languages. It was awful.....not to mention that the school district acted like I was one of those kids whose parents had shopped around, so their kid could get extra time on tests. Still angers me. If I'd gotten the proper accomondations in high school, prolly would have gone to Smith or another highly competive college......and, ugh......I still feel very emotionally stunted b/c I had NO friends, and not even a boyfriend or a girlfriend......ugh...........:(
 
I did a little research and contacted most of the schools I went to when growing up. At the time I went to them, I was the only hoh student. They never had any kind of speech program or special classes for the deaf/hoh until the 90's. I was in them during the late 60's and then 70's.
 
deafdyke said:
Dude, I wish you were nearby.......at least you got to attend a deaf program. I did things SOLO!!!! And in a district that was filled with REALLY nasty kids, who thought I was mentally disabled, even thou my ONLY remedial level class was math, and I took two foriegn languages. It was awful.....not to mention that the school district acted like I was one of those kids whose parents had shopped around, so their kid could get extra time on tests. Still angers me. If I'd gotten the proper accomondations in high school, prolly would have gone to Smith or another highly competive college......and, ugh......I still feel very emotionally stunted b/c I had NO friends, and not even a boyfriend or a girlfriend......ugh...........:(
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Well, yes there was deaf program for me. I had to wake up 4:30 am and be out of door at 5am every single day. Then travel 50 miles one way. It was just hard to do all that. The only regret is that I didnt attend all deaf school. The reason I didnt in Columbus,OH is b/c I wouldnt be allow to go home after school.(very stupid rule) Im really sorry what you went through. The only friends I had were deaf students b/c I started school in elementary with them. I didnt have a gf in highschool just b/c I was a stranger. I went to big city schools. I dont dwell what I went through anymore b/c it's all over and will not ever go through it again. It was very hard and lonely times,for sure.
 
DeafTim said:
Well, yes there was deaf program for me. I had to wake up 4:30 am and be out of door at 5am every single day. Then travel 50 miles one way. It was just hard to do all that. The only regret is that I didnt attend all deaf school. The reason I didnt in Columbus,OH is b/c I wouldnt be allow to go home after school.(very stupid rule) Im really sorry what you went through. The only friends I had were deaf students b/c I started school in elementary with them. I didnt have a gf in highschool just b/c I was a stranger. I went to big city schools. I dont dwell what I went through anymore b/c it's all over and will not ever go through it again. It was very hard and lonely times,for sure.
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You are not alone like back then when we were kids in different schools and different cities. We all go through the same dang way all through North America. Yes, it is a cruel way to get us to be like them. That was not fair what we had to suffered under them all those years. Now they want to put CIs on babies to make them more suffer and they will not have a happy childhood if they have to be train to listen and to speak properly, even if their speech may not be perfect. But trying to understand in the hearing classroom is more brutal and forceful that we are not comfortable about this kind of environment or methods. :(
 
It's weird. Somedays, I think about the mainstreaming I had in the past and feel angry about it. I wasn't angry about it then, because I didn't know any better. I didn't know there were other options. But now, I know there are schools for deaf kids and I look at their pictures and see that they had a normal student experience, sports, academics, hanging out with friends, understanding everything, etc. Even today, many students from deaf schools still hang out and support each other. I simply didn't have any of that, being mainstreamed. Just seems kind of messed up when you think about it. How is that normal?

Actually, being back in a hearing college (done in May, hopefully!) brings back a lot of bad memories about it. I'm just trying to get through and get it done. I have a lot of anxiety in the classes, actually, and I'm just trying to get through. I really want it over with.

It doesn't help when one grows up surrounded by apparently well meaning professionals and parents, who seem to lack the ability to put themselves in the shoes of the deaf/hoh student. It was hard for me to understand how a deaf/hoh student could pass through so many hands in a mainstream environment without anyone picking up on how problematic it is.

My conclusion is that, education, like any other field, is mostly staffed by averages. People who are average in ability, imagination, empathy, skills, and so on, who are simply filling a role in an institution. They just clock in and do their jobs. Their jobs are predefined and they are not trained to step outside those predefined limits. In a mainstream environment, for a teacher to recognize that a deaf/hoh student is not being served by that environment would be a very un-average thing to do. The school institution does not reward the un-average, so it's very rare. That's how I think of it anyway.

That explains every single other field/job market you can think of, too.

I watched the movie, The Hammer, the other day, and it was really interesting how much of his experience was similar to mine (aside from wrestling and RIT). He's only a year older than I am. He has turned out better than I have, so far, at our respective ages.
 
I remember sitting through high school classes where the intercom would come on and mumble a bunch of words that I couldn't understand. Every day, there would be announcements. I was told they were announcing that day's lunch menu and stuff like that. Well, my senior year, I read in the student paper that Science Olympiad was doing stuff. So I went to where the Science Olympiad meeting was held, because I wanted to join. I was told that I couldn't join because the deadline to join was past. "Well, I didn't know there was a deadline." "It was announced on the intercom."

See the problem??

Just stupid stuff.
 
In sixth grade, I was apparently in a depressive funk or something. I wrote a Last Will and presented it to my parents (Which made them quite worried, naturally. What 12-year old kid writes a Last Will?) and I was apparently moping around the house depressed and hugging the dog.

They brought me to a psychologist who talked to me and said I was just fine. One visit, clean bill of health, and back to school I went.

Thinking back, I was probably really depressed about the whole mainstreaming situation. By sixth grade, I was just about fully mainstreamed, with, I think, one class period in the HI classroom.

I had no way to really understand why I was depressed then, or to tell my parents. I'm not sure why I had such difficulty understanding it. Seems like the rest of you guys understood it pretty well in grade school. I kinda blame myself for not telling my parents straight out... maybe I could have gone to a deaf school at that point.
 
My conclusion is that, education, like any other field, is mostly staffed by averages. People who are average in ability, imagination, empathy, skills, and so on, who are simply filling a role in an institution. They just clock in and do their jobs. Their jobs are predefined and they are not trained to step outside those predefined limits. In a mainstream environment, for a teacher to recognize that a deaf/hoh student is not being served by that environment would be a very un-average thing to do. The school institution does not reward the un-average, so it's very rare. That's how I think of it anyway
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You're right actually..........Mainstream schools tend to be best at educating average kids.......did you know that gifted kids fall through the cracks too?
And the thing is, most mainstream sped programs really don't know how to educate low incidence kids.....they do educate LD kids decently, but other low incidence disabilty kids, they don't.
 
DeafBadger said:
In sixth grade, I was apparently in a depressive funk or something. I wrote a Last Will and presented it to my parents (Which made them quite worried, naturally. What 12-year old kid writes a Last Will?) and I was apparently moping around the house depressed and hugging the dog.

They brought me to a psychologist who talked to me and said I was just fine. One visit, clean bill of health, and back to school I went.

Thinking back, I was probably really depressed about the whole mainstreaming situation. By sixth grade, I was just about fully mainstreamed, with, I think, one class period in the HI classroom.

I had no way to really understand why I was depressed then, or to tell my parents. I'm not sure why I had such difficulty understanding it. Seems like the rest of you guys understood it pretty well in grade school. I kinda blame myself for not telling my parents straight out... maybe I could have gone to a deaf school at that point.
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On the bold statement, if your parents would have listen to your needs like asking them for you to go into the Deaf school where there is ASL. You might or might not go. That is the problem with hearing parents and hearing doctors and hearing audiologists who don't listen to your needs. They only think of themselves not understanding anything about deafness. They also made the excuse not to sign as they expected the deaf child to talk and read lips 100 percent. They are not deaf, but we are deaf. They don't get it. **sigh**

Now we have CI and we are starting over again just like hearing aids but still we are not getting anywhere trying to explain why we still need to go Deaf school route so that we can understand more clearly. I know that Deaf school have Deaf teachers and some hearing teachers, too. But as long as we can have ASL to understand what is being said in any schools, colleges, workplaces and other public places with the help of ASL interpreters, we will be fine. That is something we are going to have to pay the prices of being put up by the hearing people. We are living in a very ignorant society. **sigh**
 
deafdyke said:
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You're right actually..........Mainstream schools tend to be best at educating average kids.......did you know that gifted kids fall through the cracks too?
And the thing is, most mainstream sped programs really don't know how to educate low incidence kids.....they do educate LD kids decently, but other low incidence disabilty kids, they don't.
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There are so many stories, too, of teachers who tried to make a difference by trying something new. And it threatened the system and they make live hard for these special teachers. They often end up leaving teaching forever.

Education, like any field, needs people who push the envelope.
 
Bebonang said:
On the bold statement, if your parents would have listen to your needs like asking them for you to go into the Deaf school where there is ASL. You might or might not go. That is the problem with hearing parents and hearing doctors and hearing audiologists who don't listen to your needs. They only think of themselves not understanding anything about deafness. They also made the excuse not to sign as they expected the deaf child to talk and read lips 100 percent. They are not deaf, but we are deaf. They don't get it. **sigh**

Now we have CI and we are starting over again just like hearing aids but still we are not getting anywhere trying to explain why we still need to go Deaf school route so that we can understand more clearly. I know that Deaf school have Deaf teachers and some hearing teachers, too. But as long as we can have ASL to understand what is being said in any schools, colleges, workplaces and other public places with the help of ASL interpreters, we will be fine. That is something we are going to have to pay the prices of being put up by the hearing people. We are living in a very ignorant society. **sigh**
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Yep, a very ignorant society...

Somehow the right message needs to reach the parents early on. Seems like that's where it's not getting to the parents so they make the right decision.

Is there any improvement since 10 or 15 years ago for deaf kids?
 
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