doctors cannot ask about guns

[jillio]

Do you realize that NJ Gun Law is that tricky to the point where it doesn't even make sense?

No wonder ya'all can't understand

What the hell does that have to do with legislation in TX tying doctor's hands?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I think Jiro's idea of his importance in the grand scheme of things is, shall I say, a bit exaggerated?

Especially since Canada is more of a gun Nazi than New Jersey is.

 

[jillio]

to keep guns out of our hands, silly.


Law Enforcement is not thinking about Little Jiro. Entire NJ government and police are thinking about keeping guns out of law-abiding citizens and they're good at it.

vvvvveeeeeeerrrrryyyyyyy good at it.

Why is it very hard for you to grasp how it is in NJ-NY? Do you not know what the ulterior motive of Mayor Bloomberg's "Mayors Against Illegals Guns" is?


It's really of no concern to me. That's why your job is to deal with them and my job is to deal with my Constitutional rights

Never say never. Those state police might access your records and have you in jail tomorrow!

I've never seen anyone repeatedly miss the point so consistently. I have to give you credit. You are certainly single minded.

 

[Jiro]

Again, Jiro, how are they going to discover that until the kid gets ahold of it and kills himself or another. Do you always have so much trouble sequencing?

other parent, neighbor, friend, bystander, whoever.

and it's something extra for police to charge them with along with other unrelated charges.

 

[Jiro]

Agreed. But it is an unfortunate fact that many parents don't act with the forethought that your father showed. I was raised with guns in the house as well, and was taught to shoot and use safety procedures from the time I was big enough to shoot pop cans off a fence post. But My father was extremely safe with firearms, and I did not use a gun without his supervision until I was an adult. I am grateful for that.

Unfortunately, just because we had parents that realized the importance of gun safety, doesn't mean every household with children does the same. I never shot myself or my brother because gun safety was practiced and inforced in my home. But there are plenty of dead children who did not have the same experience. I believe that preventing the deaths of any more children from firearms should be an utmost priority in a civilized society.

I'm wondering what states have high rate of accidental firearm discharges regarding children.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, WTF are you doing on this monsterous thread? Come to some other threads and play now.

heyyyy this is my playground

 

[Jiro]

No, you're just grasping at the straws.

why's that? Are you very familiar with NJ-NY Gun Laws then?

 

[sallylou]

Yea, I can see that! Just saying hello!

 

[jillio]

other parent, neighbor, friend, bystander, whoever.

and it's something extra for police to charge them with along with other unrelated charges.

Riiiiight. That happens alot. Not.

 

[Banjo]

why's that? Are you very familiar with NJ-NY Gun Laws then?

No, it's just pretty obvious.

 

[jillio]

I'm wondering what states have high rate of accidental firearm discharges regarding children.

If one state has one child it is one too many. Hey, take 2911 deaths alone in the year 2001 and divide by 50. No matter how you twist it, it is too many childhood deaths from a cause that is so readily preventable.

 

[naisho]

This is why gun ownership is good. It just saved a 50 year old lady's life today.
Woman kills attacker in Gwinnett home  | ajc.com

 

[deafskeptic]

I'm wondering what states have high rate of accidental firearm discharges regarding children.

Prolly the red ones though I think it would happen more often in the cities than out in the country.

 

[jillio]

This is why gun ownership is good. It just saved a 50 year old lady's life today.
Woman kills attacker in Gwinnett home *| ajc.com

No one says gun ownership is not good. That idea is just some strange form of mass hysteria occurring in a few individuals and the NRA.

 

[jillio]

Prolly the red ones though I think it would happen more often in the cities than out in the country.

Actually, more rural and urban areas are a lot the same. The biggest difference is the type of gun.

 

[Jiro]

Stop idolizing Hitler: saying the same thing over and over again will not make it true. In fact, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Instead, follow Albert Einstein's advice: "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."

Where did I pull Godwin's Law?

Unless you can convince me the State police can access more than your history of commitments to a mental ward, then HPIAA protects your right to medical privacy.

Here's the PAL form:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/921-eng.pdf

*looking at your form* wow... and you call that MUCH MORE complicated???

that's nothing!!!!

Here - New Jersey State Police - Forms To Download and I also have to fill out more forms from my local police station (forms available only in person). And show up during its scheduled hour for photos, fingerprint, and notarization. and $$$$ fees.

 

[Banjo]

If one state has one child it is one too many. Hey, take 2911 deaths alone in the year 2001 and divide my 50. No matter how you twist it, it is too many childhood deaths from a cause that is so readily preventable.

Just to re-quote one of my posts...

According to the National Safety Council, in 2007, the total firearms-related deaths among the children and teenagers was 3,067. Keep in mind that the number is for at or on home premises. 85 in the age range of 0 to 5, 313 in the age range of 5 to 14, 2,669 of them were teens and young adults in the range of 15 to 19.

Frequently Asked Questions

 

[deafskeptic]

Actually, more rural and urban areas are a lot the same. The biggest difference is the type of gun.

That's of interest. I would assume those out in the country would be harmed more often with rifles and those in cities would be more likely to be harmed with handguns.

 

[Jiro]

If one state has one child it is one too many. Hey, take 2911 deaths alone in the year 2001 and divide by 50. No matter how you twist it, it is too many childhood deaths from a cause that is so readily preventable.

That's not what I asked for.

I'm asking what states have high childhood deaths resulting from firearms. It's important to recognize a symptom and then use appropriate treatment for it.

 

[jillio]

Just to re-quote one of my posts...

Thanks, I just didn't take time to search your stats. I had the 2001 ones on the top of my head.

So, I will amend my post: take Banjo's stats and divide by 50. Still too many kids killed by guns.