doctors cannot ask about guns

[Jiro]

No. I don't need to take a shit. I just don't see why the Chief of Police would have access to your medical records.

oh boy...... here I go again.... explaining again.... we're going to do this one step at a time.

when I apply for firearm license or for everytime I apply for handgun permit... I have to fill this out - http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/sp-066.pdf

Take a look at that form and then get back to me.

 

[KristinaB]

oh boy...... here I go again.... explaining again.... we're going to do this one step at a time.

when I apply for firearm license or for everytime I apply for handgun permit... I have to fill this out - http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/sp-066.pdf

Take a look at that form and then get back to me.

Wow!! Never seen anything like that for a firearm permit. Is NJ the only state that has this policy that you know of?

 

[Jiro]

Wow!! Never seen anything like that for a firearm permit. Is NJ the only state that has this policy that you know of?

I'm sure rest of blue states follow same suit. Stupid.

Now you understand why I said the threat is very real.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

oh boy...... here I go again.... explaining again.... we're going to do this one step at a time.

when I apply for firearm license or for everytime I apply for handgun permit... I have to fill this out - http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/sp-066.pdf

Take a look at that form and then get back to me.

I did read the form. You fail at reading. It's requesting permission for "Admission, Commitment or Treatment." Have you been committed to a mental ward? No? They cannot run a background check on you unless it's already been proven you have been COMMITTED. Then why the heck are you afraid of a little note in a file?

The PAL form we have up here is much more complicated, and it's easy as heck to get a permit.

 

[Jiro]

I did read the form. You fail at reading. It's requesting permission for "Admission, Commitment or Treatment." Have you been committed to a mental ward? No? They cannot run a background check on you unless it's already been proven you have been COMMITTED. Then why the heck are you afraid of a little note in a file?

The PAL form we have up here is much more complicated, and it's easy as heck to get a permit.

1. You fail to understand the culture in NJ toward guns.
2. You fail to understand that NJ is doing everything it can to prevent law-abiding citizens from owning guns because police officers should suffice for them.
3. You fail to understand that a little note in a file is more than enough for Police Chief to deny me of gun rights.

and btw - easy as heck for you to get a permit? Good for you. and me? it's hard as heck to get a permit in here. and I had to fill out few more applications too.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

1. You fail to understand the culture in NJ toward guns.
2. You fail to understand that NJ is doing everything it can to prevent law-abiding citizens from owning guns because police officers should suffice for them.
3. You fail to understand that a little note in a file is more than enough for Police Chief to deny me of gun rights.

and btw - easy as heck for you to get a permit? Good for you. and me? it's hard as heck to get a permit in here. and I had to fill out few more applications too.

This is what happen when someone is self-educated with legalise language.

Jiro: Epic fail.

 

[jillio]

and how many times did I tell you that they do once I signed a consent form?

Exactly. You have to sign a consent form. That puts all the control in your hands. Don't want your medical records accessed? Don't sign a consent.

But your fear is sooooo out of proportion. I deal with police officers on a daily basis, including evaluating clients that are incarcerated. I have yet to have any of them ask for records on the client. They don't want to deal with that...that is why they call in professionals. Duh.

 

[jillio]

1. You fail to understand the culture in NJ toward guns.
2. You fail to understand that NJ is doing everything it can to prevent law-abiding citizens from owning guns because police officers should suffice for them.
3. You fail to understand that a little note in a file is more than enough for Police Chief to deny me of gun rights.

and btw - easy as heck for you to get a permit? Good for you. and me? it's hard as heck to get a permit in here. and I had to fill out few more applications too.

What, the Badda-badda-bing! culture of NJ?

 

[Jiro]

Exactly. You have to sign a consent form. That puts all the control in your hands. Don't want your medical records accessed? Don't sign a consent.

then how am I supposed to get a gun? This is why lawsuit will be filed against NJ in near future. It's blatantly illegal and unconstitutional.

But your fear is sooooo out of proportion. I deal with police officers on a daily basis, including evaluating clients that are incarcerated. I have yet to have any of them ask for records on the client. They don't want to deal with that...that is why they call in professionals. Duh.

um... you deal with felons. we're not felons... we're law-abiding citizens. and what NJ doing to us is illegal.

 

[Jiro]

This is what happen when someone is self-educated with legalise language.

Jiro: Epic fail.

Again - see Post #644.

 

[Banjo]

Again - see Post #644.

Again - see Post #686.

 

[jillio]

then how am I supposed to get a gun? This is why lawsuit will be filed against NJ in near future. It's blatantly illegal and unconstitutional.


um... you deal with felons. we're not felons... we're law-abiding citizens. and what NJ doing to us is illegal.

So....jiro....think clearly now. If they don't want access to a felon's medical record, why the hell would they want the medical record of law abiding citizens?

Trust me, dude, law enforcement has their hands full. Little jiro in NJ is not even a passing thought for them.

And, how dare you assume that all people who are incarcerated are felons.

 

[jillio]

Um, okay.

I did not know there's a government conspiracy of the State police collaborating with your private doctor.

Tell me, do you have an obsession with Catcher in the Rye as well?

I think Jiro's idea of his importance in the grand scheme of things is, shall I say, a bit exaggerated?

 

[jillio]

actually no. There are few ways to get a felony charge.

example of Illinois gun law


NJ - Child Access Prevention and Safe Storage Law


I'm in support of this strict gun safety law regarding children.

Again, Jiro, how are they going to discover that until the kid gets ahold of it and kills himself or another. Do you always have so much trouble sequencing?

 

[jillio]

Seems to me, that if a parent has a gun in the house, then there should be some way to secure the gun from the child. I know my father used to keep a gun in our house and we always kept the gun (before safety locks) locked in one chest and the bullets in another chest in a different room. That was mainly due to my father's and my brother's explosive tempers. After my father died, we took the 357 magnum and ammunition to the police station for a weapons drop off. In my house, guns are not allowed for any reason. My son never even had any toy guns or water guns. Currently, son prefers knives and swords. He wants to build a collection. He has time as he will be 16 next week.

Agreed. But it is an unfortunate fact that many parents don't act with the forethought that your father showed. I was raised with guns in the house as well, and was taught to shoot and use safety procedures from the time I was big enough to shoot pop cans off a fence post. But My father was extremely safe with firearms, and I did not use a gun without his supervision until I was an adult. I am grateful for that.

Unfortunately, just because we had parents that realized the importance of gun safety, doesn't mean every household with children does the same. I never shot myself or my brother because gun safety was practiced and inforced in my home. But there are plenty of dead children who did not have the same experience. I believe that preventing the deaths of any more children from firearms should be an utmost priority in a civilized society.

 

[sallylou]

Jiro, WTF are you doing on this monsterous thread? Come to some other threads and play now.

 

[Jiro]

Again - see Post #686.

Do you realize that NJ Gun Law is that tricky to the point where it doesn't even make sense?

No wonder ya'all can't understand

 

[Banjo]

No wonder ya'all can't understand

No, you're just grasping at the straws.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Again - see Post #644.

Stop idolizing Hitler: saying the same thing over and over again will not make it true. In fact, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Instead, follow Albert Einstein's advice: "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."

Unless you can convince me the State police can access more than your history of commitments to a mental ward, then HPIAA protects your right to medical privacy.

Here's the PAL form:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/921-eng.pdf

 

[Jiro]

So....jiro....think clearly now. If they don't want access to a felon's medical record, why the hell would they want the medical record of law abiding citizens?

to keep guns out of our hands, silly.

Trust me, dude, law enforcement has their hands full. Little jiro in NJ is not even a passing thought for them.

Law Enforcement is not thinking about Little Jiro. Entire NJ government and police are thinking about keeping guns out of law-abiding citizens and they're good at it.

vvvvveeeeeeerrrrryyyyyyy good at it.

Why is it very hard for you to grasp how it is in NJ-NY? Do you not know what the ulterior motive of Mayor Bloomberg's "Mayors Against Illegals Guns" is?

And, how dare you assume that all people who are incarcerated are felons.

It's really of no concern to me. That's why your job is to deal with them and my job is to deal with my Constitutional rights