doctors cannot ask about guns

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Banjo said:
But can you prove her wrong?
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that's not how it works. When someone says my assumption is wrong, one has to prove me wrong. Not other way around.
 
Jiro said:
:confused: Where did I pull Godwin's Law?
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An insidious reference to the Big Lie quote is not Nazism.

*looking at your form* wow... and you call that MUCH MORE complicated??? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

that's nothing!!!!

Here - New Jersey State Police - Forms To Download and I also have to fill out more forms from my local police station (forms available only in person). And show up during its scheduled hour for photos, fingerprint, and notarization. and $$$$ fees.
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Tit for tat, eh?

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Jiro said:
that's not how it works. When someone says my assumption is wrong, one has to prove me wrong. Not other way around.
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You just said it was an assumption.
 
Jiro said:
What I don't get is that you have a medical knowledge and you should know that one treatment is not a cure for all. Every case is different.

so what states?
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So, let's just throw out penicillin then. Your logic sucks. Rediuction is the goal. Saving one child beats the hell out of saving none or seeing an increase. And certain treatments has been proven to be the most effacious for the majority. That is why medical science has been able to treat so many illnesses that caused death not so long distant.
 
Banjo said:
Deaths cannot be treated. It can be prevented though.
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Symptom: 50 child deaths by firearm.
Cause: Toddlers playing with guns easily accessible
Treatment: Enact a law requiring a household to have a gun safe
 
jillio said:
So, let's just throw out penicillin then. Your logic sucks. Rediuction is the goal. Saving one child beats the hell out of saving none or seeing an increase. And certain treatments has been proven to be the most effacious for the majority. That is why medical science has been able to treat so many illnesses that caused death not so long distant.
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You don't just apply penicillin for everything. You have to find the symptom first then you use appropriate treatment for it.
 
Jiro said:
Symptom: 50 child deaths by firearm.
Cause: Toddlers playing with guns easily accessible
Treatment: Enact a law requiring a household to have a gun safe
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We have a law that requires drivers to have insurance. Does every driver have insurance? No.

We have a law that sets speed limits. Does every driver obey the speed limit? No.

That is the most naive solution I have ever seen. And again, how you gonna enforce it until a kid get ahold of a gun and the investigation shows there is no safe? Or, would you agree to monthly inspections of all gun owners homes to make sure there is a safe present?
 
jillio said:
So, let's just throw out penicillin then. Your logic sucks. Rediuction is the goal. Saving one child beats the hell out of saving none or seeing an increase. And certain treatments has been proven to be the most effacious for the majority. That is why medical science has been able to treat so many illnesses that caused death not so long distant.
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btw - reduction is the goal? so you do support anti-gun laws, I see.
 
Jiro said:
btw - reduction is the goal? so you do support anti-gun laws, I see.
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How do you come up with that? Put on your thinking cap, Jiro. I was referring to reduction in the number of childhood deaths from firearms. Duh.
 
jillio said:
We have a law that requires drivers to have insurance. Does every driver have insurance? No.

We have a law that sets speed limits. Does every driver obey the speed limit? No.

That is the most naive solution I have ever seen. And again, how you gonna enforce it until a kid get ahold of a gun and the investigation shows there is no safe? Or, would you agree to monthly inspections of all gun owners homes to make sure there is a safe present?
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I'm having a great difficulty in understanding your position. You're ok with doctors asking them if they have guns and then discussing about gun safety. But you're not ok with mandatory purchase of gun vault?

You do realize that gun vault can prevent children from accessing guns? and that it's a more effective solution than a "talk"?
 
Jiro said:
I'm having a great difficulty in understanding your position. You're ok with doctors asking them if they have guns and then discussing about gun safety. But you're not ok with mandatory purchase of gun vault?

You do realize that gun vault can prevent children from accessing guns? and that it's a more effective solution than a "talk"?
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Because it is an unenforceable law, you dim wit. Are you willing to allow the authorities to conduct a search of your home every 30 days to make sure you have a gun safe and are using it? If not, it is a law that gives a false sense of safety because it cannot be enforced until damage has already been done, just like all the other bullshit laws that are supposed to insure gun safety like making a felony not to have the gun where a kid can't get to it. It does not reduce the rates of death of children just to make some bullshit law you cannot enforce. You have to educate people to do something other than what they are doing.
 
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