Do you have a contingency plan?

Jiro said:
I view myself as a versatile, capable mountain man with sound mind. I have already done camping/hiking stuff for several years. My valuable source of knowledge is my best friend because he is ex-Rangers. He is trained in this stuff. He's a medic as well. He has taught me some stuff. and I have taught him some stuff because I'm a deep-thinking strategican. Together - we're a formidable team. We did a lot of things together. We abused the crap out of gear we bought. We know what works and what doesn't work.

What's for sure is that everything you learn in US Army Survival Manual or from survivalists works very well... which is why the humanity survived... because it works for our ancestors and cavemen and Medieval Age and Amish people and Bushmen and etc. They all survived without these fancy gear we have now. They made tools & weapons from nature. The sad part is.... these fancy modern gear we have now like tent, flashlight, GPS, water purifier pump, stove, etc. are not reliable and trustworthy. The only trustworthy thing is your knife and duct tape :)

Point is - learn as much as you can. PRACTICE as much as you can with what you learn. I'm no MacGyver or Rambo. I have a lot to learn. and a lot to practice especially with identifying food source and emergency medicine. One thing for sure - brain first. then gear.
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That's some good advice. I have family in Special Forces, grew up having discussions like this. I also have a close friend (82nd Airborne Ranger) who knows a few tips.

Your bug out kit may sit in your garage, unused, for the remainder of your life. In fact, it should be hoped that you would never need it.
 
Jiro said:
here's why I'm :zzz: about it -

May 2009 - Nasa Warns Of Super Solar Storm 2012
Sept 2005 - NOAA Issues Another Space Weather Warning: Powerful Solar Flare Erupts
April 2004 - Solar storm warning: You have a year to prepare
April 2000 - Solar Storm Warning

and dozens more warnings. I hope you see where I'm getting at :)
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Yes, I know what you mean. But there were 62 years between very heavy solar storms.

NASA also predicted a meteor the size of a football field was going to hit us in 2017. Then they said they were mistaken when people panicked.

All I am saying is that if the SHTF, and the S can HTF in numerous ways, it would just be a good idea to be prepared.

I have no doubt that this stuff may never happen. But the fact that it is probable, and likely, that it could, is reason to give it some consideration.

I am sure if you were able to go back a couple of months, and tell people in Chile that they needed to prepare for an earthquake, they would look at you funny.
 
Steinhauer said:
I am sure if you were able to go back a couple of months, and tell people in Chile that they needed to prepare for an earthquake, they would look at you funny.
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Screw you.

Chile is a well-known earthquake-prone region. That's why the causality was so low, because they knew that they were living on the "Rim of Fire."
 
souggy said:
Screw you.

Chile is a well-known earthquake-prone region. That's why the causality was so low, because they knew that they were living on the "Rim of Fire."
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I didn't mean any offense, I apologize if it came out that way. I was simply using it as an example that nobody really expects the worst to happen.
 
Reba said:
I notice that most of you will be escaping to the wilderness either by yourselves or with buddies.

I haven't seen what you will do if you have a wife, kids, or elderly parents to take care of. What if they can't all hike with 70-lb backpacks?
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That was running through the back of my mind thru these posts and I can only say, I most likely would be staying put. :sadwave:
 
Most survivalist field guides are designed for individuals in covert military or paramilitary operations. They aren't designed for families.

We can be prepared to a certain, common-sense level but the truth is, most people aren't going to abandon their children, the handicapped, and the elderly. I can't imagine hiking off to the woods without my daughter, son-in-law, and grandsons. I can't imagine leaving my elderly neighbors to fend for themselves in an emergency.

When Hurricane Hugo devastated our community, we all helped each other. We didn't need to barricade ourselves in or head for the hills. We shared resources and worked together.

The National Guard did show up to enforce curfews and direct traffic (because all traffic lights were gone).

There were some scoundrels who took advantage of the situation, yes. But for the most part, people patiently helped each other.
 
Reba said:
Most survivalist field guides are designed for individuals in covert military or paramilitary operations. They aren't designed for families.

We can be prepared to a certain, common-sense level but the truth is, most people aren't going to abandon their children, the handicapped, and the elderly. I can't imagine hiking off to the woods without my daughter, son-in-law, and grandsons. I can't imagine leaving my elderly neighbors to fend for themselves in an emergency.

When Hurricane Hugo devastated our community, we all helped each other. We didn't need to barricade ourselves in or head for the hills. We shared resources and worked together.

The National Guard did show up to enforce curfews and direct traffic (because all traffic lights were gone).

There were some scoundrels who took advantage of the situation, yes. But for the most part, people patiently helped each other.
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Even the government is making recommendations for family survivalist kits:

Ready.gov: Get A Kit

and from FEMA:

FEMA: Are You Ready?

I did a quick search on manuals or guides for families, but did not find anything useful.
 
Tousi said:
So your'e not married or have someone who is dependent on you to some extent?
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Separated in process of total divorce (been going on for 4 years now) no kids. - But, I do consider dependents to be nieces, nephews, and elderly family members.

Travel would be a tough issue. Communication would even be that much harder.

Getting all of us in the same safe place .... would be difficult indeed. However, I live in an area where people would generally help each other out.
 
Reba said:
Most survivalist field guides are designed for individuals in covert military or paramilitary operations. They aren't designed for families.
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I agree. But it's a very basic skill that can be adapted to just about anything. At least you would be able to make fire or shelter out of anything in concrete world.

Reba said:
We can be prepared to a certain, common-sense level but the truth is, most people aren't going to abandon their children, the handicapped, and the elderly. I can't imagine hiking off to the woods without my daughter, son-in-law, and grandsons. I can't imagine leaving my elderly neighbors to fend for themselves in an emergency.

When Hurricane Hugo devastated our community, we all helped each other. We didn't need to barricade ourselves in or head for the hills. We shared resources and worked together.

The National Guard did show up to enforce curfews and direct traffic (because all traffic lights were gone).

There were some scoundrels who took advantage of the situation, yes. But for the most part, people patiently helped each other.
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that.... is precisely a very realistic scenario that I expect to happen after EMP strike. The entire world has already gone thru all kinds of disasters - tsunamis, flood, hurricane, earthquake, volcano, wars, etc. They all did same thing - community coming together and helping each other out. Think human conveyor belt :)

I believe ya'all have recalled a few threads about this.

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/64207-eight-days-bridge.html
http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/63712-floods-fargo-nd-moorhead-mn.html#post1290910

that's why I'm not too worried about living out in the forest :)
 
Steinhauer said:
Even the government is making recommendations for family survivalist kits:

Ready.gov: Get A Kit

and from FEMA:

FEMA: Are You Ready?

I did a quick search on manuals or guides for families, but did not find anything useful.
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Steinhauer said:
Separated in process of total divorce (been going on for 4 years now) no kids. - But, I do consider dependents to be nieces, nephews, and elderly family members.

Travel would be a tough issue. Communication would even be that much harder.

Getting all of us in the same safe place .... would be difficult indeed. However, I live in an area where people would generally help each other out.
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the reason why those survival guides may seem mediocre to you is because the government knows we would bond together as a community to overcome handful of SHTF situations. There will be organized relief effort by governments but it will take time - most likely up to a week or even a month at most. That's why they're asking us to be prepared for duration of disruption.
 
Jiro said:
the reason why those survival guides may seem mediocre to you is because the government knows we would bond together as a community to overcome handful of SHTF situations. There will be organized relief effort by governments but it will take time - most likely up to a week or even a month at most. That's why they're asking us to be prepared for duration of disruption.
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I agree with you there - as it applies to where I live. I know people would help each other out - here.

However, I would not stay put if I lived in certain parts of Atlanta.
 
Reba said:
I notice that most of you will be escaping to the wilderness either by yourselves or with buddies.

I haven't seen what you will do if you have a wife, kids, or elderly parents to take care of. What if they can't all hike with 70-lb backpacks?
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My wife has passed on and my daughter is at school in California.....I am pretty sure they have already been taken over:lol:
 
If you live in a place that isn't safe during bad times, then it probably isn't truly safe during the good times either.
 
Reba said:
Most survivalist field guides are designed for individuals in covert military or paramilitary operations. They aren't designed for families.

We can be prepared to a certain, common-sense level but the truth is, most people aren't going to abandon their children, the handicapped, and the elderly. I can't imagine hiking off to the woods without my daughter, son-in-law, and grandsons. I can't imagine leaving my elderly neighbors to fend for themselves in an emergency.

When Hurricane Hugo devastated our community, we all helped each other. We didn't need to barricade ourselves in or head for the hills. We shared resources and worked together.

The National Guard did show up to enforce curfews and direct traffic (because all traffic lights were gone).

There were some scoundrels who took advantage of the situation, yes. But for the most part, people patiently helped each other.
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My posts have been more about if we were under attack. I made my living traveling to Hurricanes (among other things)

I did kid about my daughter earlier but your posr got me thinking.....What would I do with her 1800 miles away:hmm:
 
Steinhauer said:
That's some good advice. I have family in Special Forces, grew up having discussions like this. I also have a close friend (82nd Airborne Ranger) who knows a few tips.

Your bug out kit may sit in your garage, unused, for the remainder of your life. In fact, it should be hoped that you would never need it.
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awesome. now that's a good source of info and training you can get right there. don't talk about it. Learn it. Do it. Practice it. With survival skill you learn from them, you can easily adapt it to most situations.

My motto - "Less Talk, More Action". We have done extreme winter camping/hiking with nearly no gear at all for overnite... not even a tent. no stove. nothing. Just the winter clothes we wear, sleeping bag, headlamp, water bottles and kukri. It was so cold that I had a water spill because the plastic water bag froze & broke and it was leaking from my backpack to my pants. It froze in just a few minutes. That's how I found out that I had a water leak. Back of my pants got hard and crunchy. We have done extreme summer camping/hiking as well. We got to the point where we were dangerously dehydrated and violent. We nearly killed each other over one yucky bottle of water we found because he spilled the entire thing by accident. He was so dehydrated that his hand was shaking.. which was why he spilled it. oh - we had a water pump with us so we were gonna purify it via pump.

It was a shitty situation but it was an outstanding learning experience for both of us. It's interesting because in a desperate situation like severe dehydration, "friends" or "family" doesn't mean jack. Your usual "cool guy" personality is gone. That was.... a true moment of primal survival instinct. Now imagine what would happen to normal urban people? Most have weak wills and untrained minds. The previous associations (colleague, friend, etc) don't mean jack shit anymore :(

If you want to see what it's like - watch THE PIANIST. What happened in that movie is pretty much identical to what happened in real world if there is no help for a long period of time. Example: Darfur and Somalia
 
Steinhauer said:
I agree with you there - as it applies to where I live. I know people would help each other out - here.

However, I would not stay put if I lived in certain parts of Atlanta.
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I was in Atlanta for a few months in 2003.....crazy place. I was there when Maynard Jackson and the old governor (name escapes) passed away.....Crazy time
 
Jiro said:
awesome. now that's a good source of info and training you can get right there. don't talk about it. Learn it. Do it. Practice it. With survival skill you learn from them, you can easily adapt it to most situations.

My motto - "Less Talk, More Action". We have done extreme winter camping/hiking with nearly no gear at all for overnite... not even a tent. no stove. nothing. Just the winter clothes we wear, sleeping bag, headlamp, water bottles and kukri. It was so cold that I had a water spill because the plastic water bag froze & broke and it was leaking from my backpack to my pants. It froze in just a few minutes. That's how I found out that I had a water leak. Back of my pants got hard and crunchy. We have done extreme summer camping/hiking as well. We got to the point where we were dangerously dehydrated and violent. We nearly killed each other over one yucky bottle of water we found because he spilled the entire thing by accident. He was so dehydrated that his hand was shaking.. which was why he spilled it. oh - we had a water pump with us so we were gonna purify it via pump.

It was a shitty situation but it was an outstanding learning experience for both of us. It's interesting because in a desperate situation like severe dehydration, "friends" or "family" doesn't mean jack. Your usual "cool guy" personality is gone. That was.... a true moment of primal survival instinct. Now imagine what would happen to normal urban people? Most have weak wills and untrained minds. The previous associations (colleague, friend, etc) don't mean jack shit anymore :(

If you want to see what it's like - watch THE PIANIST. What happened in that movie is pretty much identical to what happened in real world if there is no help for a long period of time. Example: Darfur and Somalia
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All deaf survival trip anyone?
 
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