Do you have a contingency plan?

Ahh.. yes ... Quietly being the operative word. My apologies. Why not use a 44 mag or 357 with a silencer?

The crossbow would more than do the trick. I have no idea where I'd find a silencer. Along with the crossbow, I'd have a high powered rifle for sure....with a scope. Handguns, I'm not real familiar with...only handgun I've ever shot, not owned was the Colt (Westernized) 45. Oh, yeah, I got off a few rounds from a 44 Mag once...not sure it would be good in an emergency.
 
In order for you to get a silencer, you have to apply for a tax III license (I think its $200).

You then have to have an FFL gunsmith thread the barrel and purchase the silencer.

The best silencer I have ever seen worked on a revolver (yes ... a revolver). Itwas used on a Russian M1895. The cylinder moves forward and creates a gas seal between the cylinder and barrel.


Aka... the famous handgun used by Soviet secret police til like the '80s?
 
Ahh.. yes ... Quietly being the operative word. My apologies. Why not use a 44 mag or 357 with a silencer?

Shooting one of those off would tip off anyone in your area to your presence, even with silencers. Also. body armor would stop the bullets, but not arrows/bolts.
 
Shooting one of those off would tip off anyone in your area to your presence, even with silencers. Also. body armor would stop the bullets, but not arrows/bolts.
do you think that crossbows don't make any noise?
 
My list was for long term (months) mountain (which is where I would be headed) survival.... If you can't stay warm you die.

that's where brain comes in. beside - you need to acquire a specific training and skill for this kind of thing. If anybody has never done it or does it very sometimes.... then the gear they have are useless. Trust me - utterly useless. They will break. They will malfunction.

Seasoned outdoorsmen know this. They would view their gear as true luxury if they know how to build makeshift shelter out of anything or obtain water from a certain source. If you view your own gear as "SHTF survival gear"...... you're not gonna last. nope.
 
I notice that most of you will be escaping to the wilderness either by yourselves or with buddies.

I haven't seen what you will do if you have a wife, kids, or elderly parents to take care of. What if they can't all hike with 70-lb backpacks?
 
The crossbow would more than do the trick. I have no idea where I'd find a silencer. Along with the crossbow, I'd have a high powered rifle for sure....with a scope. Handguns, I'm not real familiar with...only handgun I've ever shot, not owned was the Colt (Westernized) 45. Oh, yeah, I got off a few rounds from a 44 Mag once...not sure it would be good in an emergency.

consider the weight of a rifle you would have to carry, then consider this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii3aMTAkDJ4]YouTube - Firing the Kel-Tec PLR-16 5.56x45mm Pistol[/ame]

it is the PLR 16 (Pistol Long Range).

It uses a .223, .22, and Nato rounds. - great varmint round and can also take deer. Also great for self defense if need be.
 
I notice that most of you will be escaping to the wilderness either by yourselves or with buddies.

I haven't seen what you will do if you have a wife, kids, or elderly parents to take care of. What if they can't all hike with 70-lb backpacks?

precisely why it's best for me to bug out at my condo with my family. I believe it's very safe and easily defensible. Realistically - I believe this SHTF scenario not going to drag out long enough to Mad Max scenario. Realistically - the relief effort would be underway. We just need enough supply to last for a couple weeks to a month.
 
that's where brain comes in. beside - you need to acquire a specific training and skill for this kind of thing. If anybody has never done it or does it very sometimes.... then the gear they have are useless. Trust me - utterly useless. They will break. They will malfunction.

Seasoned outdoorsmen know this. They would view their gear as true luxury if they know how to build makeshift shelter out of anything or obtain water from a certain source. If you view your own gear as "SHTF survival gear"...... you're not gonna last. nope.

Bam.
 
I notice that most of you will be escaping to the wilderness either by yourselves or with buddies.

I haven't seen what you will do if you have a wife, kids, or elderly parents to take care of. What if they can't all hike with 70-lb backpacks?


Great point. That was why I asked earlier if some folks would wait out riots and stay put.
 
I live near the mountains and the equipment in my bug out bag is the basics I take when I go camping. I realize the environment I live in is probably much different than what you are accustomed to. I just added some pictures to give a general idea - and looking for bigfoot? That's funny :giggle:

yea that's how it is around here within 40 min from my home location.
 
.................. Realistically - the relief effort would be underway. We just need enough supply to last for a couple weeks to a month.
That all depends on the event my friend. If the SRHTF then there would be no relief effort. You are on your own.
 
You forgot to put on the silencer.

Why then... do special forces, especially ones in South America, carry a blowgun and crossbows in their inventory over a pistol with a silencer? ;)

That is... if the Internet could be trusted with their poorly-reported sources.
 
Why then... do special forces, especially ones in South America, carry a blowgun and crossbows in their inventory over a pistol with a silencer? ;)

That is... if the Internet could be trusted with their poorly-reported sources.
there could be many reasons ranging from cost to availability to expertise, regional considerations etc. :dunno: My point is that I believe a sliencer and a crossbow will both make a slight noise. Niether is completly silent
 
That all depends on the event my friend. If the SRHTF then there would be no relief effort. You are on your own.

if there's no relief effort - it would be because all super nations have collapsed. I doubt that will ever happen in our lifetime. OP's scenario is an EMP strike in USA. It is very unrealistic that entire or a major portion of USA will be disabled.

Nobody has that kind of capability to do that.
 
if there's no relief effort - it would be because all super nations have collapsed. I doubt that will ever happen in our lifetime. OP's scenario is an EMP strike in USA. It is very unrealistic that entire or a major portion of USA will be disabled.

Nobody has that kind of capability to do that.

repost:


Solar Storms Could Be Earth's Next Katrina : NPR

Solar Storms Could Be Earth's Next Katrina

snip ....

A massive solar storm could leave millions of people around the world without electricity, running water, or phone service, government officials say.


Disabled Satellites Are Just The Beginning

The worst damage came nearly a day later, when the solar storm began to induce electrical currents in high voltage power lines. The currents were strong enough to destroy transformers around the globe," Bogdan says, leaving millions of people in northern latitudes without power.

Without electricity, many people also lost running water, heat, air conditioning and phone service. And places like hospitals had to rely on emergency generators with fuel for only two or three days, Bogdan says.

In many ways, the impact of a major solar storm resembles that of a hurricane or an earthquake, says Fugate.

But a solar Katrina would cause damage in a much larger area than any natural disaster, Fugate says. For example, power could be knocked out almost simultaneously in countries from Sweden to Canada and the U.S., he says. So a lot more people in a lot more places would need help.

Individuals don't need to make any special preparation for a solar storm, Fugate says. The standard emergency kit of water and food and first aid supplies will work just fine.

"If you've got your family disaster plan together, you've taken the steps, whether it be a space storm, whether it be a system failure, whether it be another natural hazard that knocks the power out," Fugate says.

Its just my **opinion** that preparing for the worst and hoping for the best would be the way to go.

Its like an old timer once told me, its better to have more than you want than less than you need.
 
I view myself as a versatile, capable mountain man with sound mind. I have already done camping/hiking stuff for several years. My valuable source of knowledge is my best friend because he is ex-Rangers. He is trained in this stuff. He's a medic as well. He has taught me some stuff. and I have taught him some stuff because I'm a deep-thinking strategican. Together - we're a formidable team. We did a lot of things together. We abused the crap out of gear we bought. We know what works and what doesn't work.

What's for sure is that everything you learn in US Army Survival Manual or from survivalists works very well... which is why the humanity survived... because it works for our ancestors and cavemen and Medieval Age and Amish people and Bushmen and etc. They all survived without these fancy gear we have now. They made tools & weapons from nature. The sad part is.... these fancy modern gear we have now like tent, flashlight, GPS, water purifier pump, stove, etc. are not reliable and trustworthy. The only trustworthy thing is your knife and duct tape :)

Point is - learn as much as you can. PRACTICE as much as you can with what you learn. I'm no MacGyver or Rambo. I have a lot to learn. and a lot to practice especially with identifying food source and emergency medicine. One thing for sure - brain first. then gear.
 
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