Do you believe in God?

[Maria]

(sighs)

Dizzy ? Hahaha Need something to drink to make you feel better ?

 

[DreamSlayer]

Interesting, I will finish reading your article later. just describe Hand shape, position and movement, I'm assuming the position is near the face.
I sign dont know by : Touching my left hand to the side of my forehead, palm facing in. then I turn the hand so it faces out.
Or something like that... just so I know how to include it in my conversation with my student, instead of fingerspelling the word.. it's a long word.

 

[Maria]

Interesting, I will finish reading your article later. just describe Hand shape, position and movement, I'm assuming the position is near the face.
I sign dont know by : Touching my left hand to the side of my forehead, palm facing in. then I turn the hand so it faces out.
Or something like that... just so I know how to include it in my conversation with my student, instead of fingerspelling the word.. it's a long word.

Yep, that's right for "I don't know" sign language you just described. Ok, for "shamefacedness", I know some people don't use that term in this now days, but they use "ashamed" in sign language like this : "The hand brushes up the cheek to show the blood risin' in the cheeks". Hope that helps !

 

[Maria]

I know some people who live in the East and West Coast, they sign a little different... almost similiar, but not overall thou ~ It's interestin' to learn the difference in between East and West Coast.

 

[DreamSlayer]

Thank you! I've seen that sign in most of my ASL dictionaries under "Shame" and "bashful".
I finished reading the article and would like to make a few comments.

Quote from the article:

"With all these factors in mind, do we not most honor the Lord and His revealed Word by having it read and used in that form of our language which was in use when the English language was at its best, instead of in our modern jargon? So what if it does not sound like a modern newspaper or novel? The fact is, it should not sound-like that, for God is speaking! His Word should be distinctly different from that in some current novel or newspaper."

I will not disagree that the KJV was translated by well educated, God fearing men, and that they did an amazing job, of keeping it as close as possible to the original texts used. I also find the language "beautiful" and it should be used in homes and churches.

But languages change, English is one that changes rapidly, Sign being another that changes as I travel from Toronto, to Hamilton (I live in Ontario) .

"beauty is in the eye of the beholder" meaning, beauty is subjective. For many of the students in the Highschool that I work at, The beautiful language of the KJV is overwhelming, and would make them stop reading. God wants a personal relationship, and has alloud his word to be translated into the thousands of languages around the world to reach his children. The only language God chose to speak to his people with was Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Jesus only spoke in one language (as far as I know) and it wasn't in old english.

The apostles spoke in many different languages as a sign from God, and the Bible is being translated the same way, into many different languages, to reach many different people on a personal level.

I read a parrallel Bible. It has the KJV, NIV, NASB, and some other new living translation (which I dislike alot) and they run side by side, verse by verse. for comparison. I also use a Greek/English lexicon of the New Testement with the greek writen line by line, and then the english underneath, and with the King James translation in the margins.

I will stand by my comment that: No translation is perfect (because there are simply some Hebrew expressions that cannot be fully conveyed into English), Some are extremely useful, and it is of great benefit to use more than one.

I will also say that I believe God has taken great care to preserve his word through Godly translaters, and that the KJV has been looked after by God (so that the words and messages are not twisted or corrupted), but is not the only translation that this has been done for.

thanx for being patient with me.

 

[LUNZ]

Do you see the cross goes down?

Now if this isn't obvious who the Judeo- Roman Catholic Church serves, what is ? Also notice the cross on the back of the archibishop's clothes. Spread it around. These are signs and symbols that nobody (christians per se) ever notice or light up to even when it's right in front of their eyes. Happy New Millennium !!! by the way. With Bush for president and here in Canada Jean Chretien as prime minister, we north americans are in deep shazbot up to our neck if we don't act and create a better world for ourselves. There is no order in nature but HARMONY, unity within diversity...

how sadly!

Found on the western wall of an Anglician church built buy an
English free settler called Fredrick R White.This is an interesting little church with a strong Templar influence.


wake up, christain people!

 

[VamPyroX]

Do you see the cross goes down?

Now if this isn't obvious who the Judeo- Roman Catholic Church serves, what is ? Also notice the cross on the back of the archibishop's clothes. Spread it around. These are signs and symbols that nobody (christians per se) ever notice or light up to even when it's right in front of their eyes. Happy New Millennium !!! by the way. With Bush for president and here in Canada Jean Chretien as prime minister, we north americans are in deep shazbot up to our neck if we don't act and create a better world for ourselves. There is no order in nature but HARMONY, unity within diversity...

how sadly!

Found on the western wall of an Anglician church built buy an
English free settler called Fredrick R White.This is an interesting little church with a strong Templar influence.


wake up, christain people!

If I remember correctly, the upside-down cross represents satanism. OMG! We're following the Pope, then anti-christ! Aahh!

 

[illustrator]

That's stupid.

Catholic is know as First Christian.

 

[VamPyroX]

That's stupid.

Catholic is know as First Christian.

Therefore, First Christian is really satanism?

 

[illustrator]

Therefore, First Christian is really satanism?

No, don't be silly.
First Christian when someone is believe in Jesus and giving the bless. Given the faith, love and forgiven.

There is other reason why being Christian. When the Nazi tell U.S. armys and innocent women to yell to the god. "I hate you". They refuse and said " I love you, Jesus and God!". It piss Nazi off. They kill him.

What do you see is... Nazi act like they are beyond than the god. It's satanism.

 

[LUNZ]

Washington D.C. An untrained eye might not see the Luciferic connection in this map.

Map of Washington D.C. with outlined Luciferic design. The White House makes up the southern most tip of the Goathead.

And, just as the White House forms the southern point of the Goathead Pentagram, so the Capitol forms the head of Satan. Shockingly, the meaning is also the same. The Southern point of the Goathead Pentagram represented the spirit of Satan reaching into the mind of the goathead, the bunny's head represents the same meaning. In other words, both the Executive and the Legislative Branches of Government are to be controlled by Satan.
Prez Bush is satan and he is christain. OMG!

 

[LUNZ]

No, don't be silly.
First Christian when someone is believe in Jesus and giving the bless. Given the faith, love and forgiven.

There is other reason why being Christian. When the Nazi tell U.S. armys and innocent women to yell to the god. "I hate you". They refuse and said " I love you, Jesus and God!". It piss Nazi off. They kill him.

What do you see is... Nazi act like they are beyond than the god. It's satanism.

The reason is why nAzi go for it cuz of stuipd religious. war and religious.
Now, we go for iraq. ofc, religious and an oil.

 

[DreamSlayer]

I can't see the pictures, but I am assuming the Cross is upside down?

I am amazed that you would assume Christians have no idea what it represents, or that you assume it only means satanism, and Satan.

The upside down cross represents how Peter was crucified. Catholics believe that St. Peter was crucified upside down, because he wasn't good enough to be crucified in the same manner as Jesus. (or something like that)

I am not Catholic, the fact that he was crucified upside down is not in my Bible, maybe it is in the Apocrypha???

http://www.new-life.net/faq800.htm

Catholics have traditions and beliefs that differ from my beliefs, but the fact that Jesus is a personal Lord and Saviour is the big key.

 

[LUNZ]

I can't see the pictures, but I am assuming the Cross is upside down?

I am amazed that you would assume Christians have no idea what it represents, or that you assume it only means satanism, and Satan.

The upside down cross represents how Peter was crucified. Catholics believe that St. Peter was crucified upside down, because he wasn't good enough to be crucified in the same manner as Jesus. (or something like that)

I am not Catholic, the fact that he was crucified upside down is not in my Bible, maybe it is in the Apocrypha???

http://www.new-life.net/faq800.htm

Catholics have traditions and beliefs that differ from my beliefs, but the fact that Jesus is a personal Lord and Saviour is the big key.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool -Plato

Its not sin to question about it. It's sin to afraid of it.

 

[LUNZ]

who is Jesus?

Jesus is Jehovah. Exodus 6:3
Jesus is the Lord God. Isaiah 48
Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Revelation 19:16
Jesus is Almighty God. Genesis 17:1
Jesus is our Creator. John 1:10
Jesus is our Redeemer. Isaiah 48
Jesus is our Friend. John 15:13-15

very intereting....?

 

[Cheri]

Are they allow to do that put 'Cross' upside down? That isn't right.

 

[LUNZ]

Are they allow to do that put 'Cross' upside down? That isn't right.

 

[Ginette]

Lunz, are you suggesting that ALL Christians are satanists?

Within the one Christian faith, there are many different groups, called 'denominations'. Although they share the same basic beliefs, or creed, the way they do things can be very different.

Anglican, Baptist, Catholic (Roman Catholic), Independent Evangelical, Methodist, Orthodox, Quaker etc

The Bible shares that there is only one way that each of us can become a Child of God, or what most commonly is called a Christian. Ephesians 2:8-10 is one set of verses that clearly show that it is by faith we accept Christ and not by any one’s works. Those who have accepted Christ, and Christ alone, are adopted into His family.

A Christian should know his doctrine well enough to be able to recognize not only what is true, but also what is false in a religious system (1 Pet. 3:15; 2 Tim. 2:15).


There are many different types of people or groups that claim to be Christians.
Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Unity, The Way International, Church of Scientology.

Nevertheless, what makes something non-Christian is when it denies the essential doctrines of the Bible.

Jesus warned us that in the last days false Christs and false prophets would arise and deceive many (Matt. 24:24). The Lord knew that there would be a rise of the spirit of Antichrist (1 John 4:1-3) in the last days. Its manifestation is here in the forms of Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the New Age Movement, among others.

I would appreciate it if you didn't lump all Christians in one pile.
Before you start calling us devil worshippers take a good long look at your "religion."

 

[DreamSlayer]

I have no problems with you questioning Christianity. In fact, I encourage you to continue.
I was just surprised at the conclusion that an upside down Cross meant Satanism, instead of what the Roman Catholic Church believes it represents. The crucifiction of St. Peter.
The Roman Catholic Church believes that St. Peter was Crucified upside down.

 

[illustrator]

Do you see the cross goes down?

http://www.davidicke.net/symbolism/religion/jan2001/crossedpopel2.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.davidicke.net/symbolism/religion/jan2001/crossedpopel.jpg[IMG]


Now if this isn't obvious who the Judeo- Roman Catholic Church serves, what is ? Also notice the cross on the back of the archibishop's clothes. Spread it around. These are signs and symbols that nobody (christians per se) ever notice or light up to even when it's right in front of their eyes. Happy New Millennium !!! by the way. With Bush for president and here in Canada Jean Chretien as prime minister, we north americans are in deep shazbot up to our neck if we don't act and create a better world for ourselves. There is no order in nature but HARMONY, unity within diversity...

how sadly!

[IMG]http://www.davidicke.net/symbolism/australia/australia2.jpg[IMG]

Found on the western wall of an Anglician church built buy an
English free settler called Fredrick R White.This is an interesting little church with a strong Templar influence.


wake up, christain people![/QUOTE]

The upside cross is know as "Saint John of the Cross". It's not from Pope John II. It's begin in 1500s, John help people to have a faith and great love.