Dislike my cochlear device after 3 years using it...??

[Daredevel7]

And I was stating that a child has exposure and learns entire (using FJ's own description) and mastery of language through regular class in school and at home by learning to read and other visual methods, and not by speech therapy, whether it be 20 minutes or a whole day, week, month, year/s etc of therapy.

Like Jillio says, speech therapy is only for conversational purposes and helps only some, and not for the mastery of language acquisition.

No, I do not agree with FJ's post even in this thread.

Let's ignore mastery of English (or language acquisition) and imagine that your deaf child (age: 4 yrs old) is already fluent in ASL for her age and you, for whatever reason, want your child to learn how to speak also. How would you do this? 20 minutes a day of speech therapy?

 

[GrendelQ]

Let's ignore mastery of English (or language acquisition) and imagine that your deaf child (age: 4 yrs old) is already fluent in ASL for her age and you, for whatever reason, want your child to learn how to speak also. How would you do this? 20 minutes a day of speech therapy?

Bilingual academic and home environments: not therapy. Just living and learning via both spoken English AND ASL. Immersion. LOTS of exposure to language models -- teachers teaching in each language, peers interacting in each language, a tidalwave of language use and vocabulary in context.

 

[jillio]

Let's ignore mastery of English (or language acquisition) and imagine that your deaf child (age: 4 yrs old) is already fluent in ASL for her age and you, for whatever reason, want your child to learn how to speak also. How would you do this? 20 minutes a day of speech therapy?

My kid did it in an hour a week. And that was just for articulation and only from age 3 to 7. The rest he picked up by making sure that he was in a bilingual environment.

 

[jillio]

Bilingual academic and home environments: not therapy. Just living and learning via both spoken English AND ASL. Immersion. LOTS of exposure to language models -- teachers teaching in each language, peers interacting in each language, a tidalwave of language use and vocabulary in context.

Exactamundo!!!

 

[Bottesini]

Exactamundo!!!

:P Esperanto!!

 

[BecLak]

Bilingual academic and home environments: not therapy. Just living and learning via both spoken English AND ASL. Immersion. LOTS of exposure to language models -- teachers teaching in each language, peers interacting in each language, a tidalwave of language use and vocabulary in context.

Only if the child chooses him/herself to speak. But definitely NOT therapy, and definitely NOT overload; but a balance of learning at home and school and in social interactions, yes. In addition, the child must be given the right to say enough is enough and have the option to be voice-off when he/she feels the need.

 

[jillio]

:P Esperanto!!

Does that make me tri-lingual?

 

[Daredevel7]

My kid did it in an hour a week. And that was just for articulation and only from age 3 to 7. The rest he picked up by making sure that he was in a bilingual environment.

Define your idea of bilingual environment.

 

[Daredevel7]

Only if the child wants to speak. But definitely NOT therapy, and definitely NOT overload; but a balance of learning at home and school and in social interactions, yes.

So if the child wants to speak, is 20 minutes a day of speech therapy enough? Or should the child hang out with others who speak also?

 

[GrendelQ]

You got it. It takes time to exhibit a true change, and to begin to receive newly patterned responses. One post is not nearly enough.

Welcome back Jillio (or should I use ? ) But we can break this pattern of responding to one another, don't you think? It just seems like such a kneejerk response that doesn't match what has been posted.

 

[Hohtopics]

If her claims were so true then my brother and many others wouldnt be able to master English. :roll:

Shel, you claimed that you didn't learn signs till in your 20's or so. Yet, also claimed that your brother grew up using ASL. Then how did you communicate with your brother if you didn't know signs at the time?

 

[flip]

Bilingual academic and home environments: not therapy. Just living and learning via both spoken English AND ASL. Immersion. LOTS of exposure to language models -- teachers teaching in each language, peers interacting in each language, a tidalwave of language use and vocabulary in context.

Sounds a bit tiring, I mean "LOTS of exposure" and "tidalwave of language". I think most kids prefer to just have fun and play games. Just give'em a little ASL, that's all they need

 

[GrendelQ]

Sounds a bit tiring, I mean "LOTS of exposure" and "tidalwave of language". I think most kids prefer to just have fun and play games. Just give'em a little ASL, that's all they need

I think a 4 yo needs to be bathed in language, ASL or English or esperanto. Not just a little ASL, not just a few words. My daughter talks and talks and talks and signs and signs and signs -- she has so much to express, to communicate. I can clearly see the enormous difference in her happiness and vibrancy it has made to have whole language, full vocabulary to wield.

Sometimes it's tiring, but not for her, for me to witness the energy .

 

[flip]

Only if the child wants to speak. But definitely NOT therapy, and definitely NOT overload; but a balance of learning at home and school and in social interactions, yes. In addition, the child must be given the right to say enough is enough and have the option to be voice-off when he/she feels the need.

This is not an effort to make worried parents worry even more, but I sometimes wonder if hearing parents have some troubles figuring what deaf kids needs, because they don't know how it's to not hear? I wonder because it's so many cases of deaf kids who are either understimulated or overstimulated.

 

[BecLak]

My kid did it in an hour a week. And that was just for articulation and only from age 3 to 7. The rest he picked up by making sure that he was in a bilingual environment.

Same for me, though I started a lot later (aged 11). The therapy was very short-lived though intensive and it was primarily to 'iron-out' my lisp or 'deaf accent'

 

[flip]

I think a 4 yo needs to be bathed in language, ASL or English or esperanto. Not just a little ASL, not just a few words. My daughter talks and talks and talks and signs and signs and signs -- she has so much to express, to communicate. I can clearly see the enormous difference in her happiness and vibrancy it has made to have whole language, full vocabulary to wield.

Sometimes it's tiring, but not for her, for me to witness the energy .

Sounds fun

 

[GrendelQ]

Same for me, though I started a lot later (aged 11). The therapy was very short-lived though intensive and it was primarily to 'iron-out' my lisp or 'deaf accent'

I think my little one has a deaf accent, not sure though -- it's hard to tell at this age, I guess. I LOVE the way she talks. (I also love that she thinks Barbie is Barkie and I'll destroy the SLP who"fixes" that.)

 

[BecLak]

So if the child wants to speak, is 20 minutes a day of speech therapy enough? Or should the child hang out with others who speak also?

If you combine home and school and social interactions, it most obviously be more than 20 minutes wouldn't it. but then we are NOT talking about therapy here. Therapy is not the solution to acquiring language, nor is the ability to speak.

 

[BecLak]

I think my little one has a deaf accent, not sure though -- it's hard to tell at this age, I guess. I LOVE the way she talks. (I also love that she thinks Barbie is Barkie and I'll destroy the SLP who"fixes" that.)

Yes, I regret being 'fixed'. Wish I never had the therapy. But my mother was ignorant back then. She thought it was in my best interests and it was also recommended to her by the specialist.

 

[Daredevel7]

If you combine home and school and social interactions, it most obviously be more than 20 minutes wouldn't it. but then we are NOT talking about therapy here. Therapy is not the solution to acquiring language, nor is the ability to speak.

So you DO agree that there should be SOME immersion with the hearing world? FJ was talking about COMPLETE ASL immersion. I know people are saying "well that's impossible! You can't avoid the hearing world!" But we are talking about little kids here, before the age of, say,.. 6. Little kids mostly interact with other kids at school or with parents at home. So if parents do ASL and the school is ASL based, that makes it a completely ASL immersed environment.

Therapy isn't the solution to acquiring the ability to speak?

So you believe deaf people can speak (if they want to) without therapy?

Do others agree with this?