Discussions of mental illnesses and conditions

LuciaDisturbed said:
DD, I have dealt with someone who has BPD, and believe me, it wasn't pretty. But, not all people with BPD are untreatable. It just takes a LOT of work to treat BPD. Lots of therapy, DBT (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy), medication, sometimes frequent hospitalizations, and a lot of other things has to be done to treat BPD. It is a very difficult disorder, but it is not hopeless. This person I know, Jenn, she would cut herself very frequently (BOTH her arms are covered in scars), burn herself on the arms with cigarettes, was very med incompliant, would go in and out of the state hospital very often, she was very manipulative, would cause problems between friends, etc. I had to make a decision to cut my ties with her, since she hurt me so much, (for example, she accused me of faking being physically sick and physically pushed me backwards in my wheelchair) and caused problems between me and my ex best friend. But, her case was a very severe one, and she has been in and out of hospitals all her life, and she doesn't try to reach out for help, she just wallows in self-pity. Not all BPD people have it that bad, it varies from person to person. They have to make the decision to want to get better, and to cooperate and be med compliant, and stuff like that. It's not easy. She just doesn't want to get better. People with BPD often have chaotic lives. They have problems sustaining relationships.

Jillio, am I correct with what I just said? I'm going by what I've observed in Jenn.
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You are absolutely correct, Lucia.
 
Same as here. Her name is Rachel. You can read my last post. She didn't want get any therapy for her BPD either. I stopped talk to her since last December. I was observing on her mental illness either.
 
I did not mean to be rude. Honestly.........I didn't attack YOU first, you attacked ME. Just like in some of the CI threads. I know you dislike me....but keep it to yourself! It's not like I'm Heath or something. Again, ,I'm extremely sorry that I said that they were inhumane. Some do act pretty inhumane though..(again I'm not saying that ALL do just SOME...and thank god most of them aren't that severely effected)..almost bordering on sociopathy.....Its sad and scary at the same time.
jillo, I know the diffy between BPD and Asperger's. However, what I was trying to say is that they are kind of simlair in that both of them are due to being a narcisstic/ extreme egocentric disorder. Then again that's also really inaccurate since you could say the same thing about Asperger's and sociopathy. Like for example a guy I know with VERY severe Aspergers/prolly more High functioning Autism walked in on his RA while she was changing. I remember vividly him telling me about that incident. He was all "everyone was so upset and I just don't know why they were so upset!" I told one of my other friends about that incident and he was "wow....maybe Mark's a sociopath." (sociopaths don't really know that stuff like murder, stealing etc is wrong) Yet, Mark does have feelings and doesn't feel the need to commit criminal acts. He just doesn't understand human society at all. (and he was pretty severe....(what is it with me that I see a lot of severe people?)This sort of thing (not understanding other's emotions etc) can be seen on a varying spectrum with most people with Asperger's.
I really do think that almost all BPD folks should be mandated for therapy. I really do wish that they could find a cure......and I mean I can and do understand why a condition like this develops as a protective measure against an abusive sitution. It's interesting seeing that one person could have overcome an abusive sitution, and another develops a personailty disorder.
 
I suggest people stay out of this thread, or any thread for that matter, if their only content is to attack/insult others. Infractions will be given without warning.
 
deafdyke said:
I did not mean to be rude. Honestly.........I didn't attack YOU first, you attacked ME. Just like in some of the CI threads. I know you dislike me....but keep it to yourself! It's not like I'm Heath or something. Again, ,I'm extremely sorry that I said that they were inhumane. Some do act pretty inhumane though..(again I'm not saying that ALL do just SOME...and thank god most of them aren't that severely effected)..almost bordering on sociopathy.....Its sad and scary at the same time.
jillo, I know the diffy between BPD and Asperger's. However, what I was trying to say is that they are kind of simlair in that both of them are due to being a narcisstic/ extreme egocentric disorder. Then again that's also really inaccurate since you could say the same thing about Asperger's and sociopathy. Like for example a guy I know with VERY severe Aspergers/prolly more High functioning Autism walked in on his RA while she was changing. I remember vividly him telling me about that incident. He was all "everyone was so upset and I just don't know why they were so upset!" I told one of my other friends about that incident and he was "wow....maybe Mark's a sociopath." (sociopaths don't really know that stuff like murder, stealing etc is wrong) Yet, Mark does have feelings and doesn't feel the need to commit criminal acts. He just doesn't understand human society at all. (and he was pretty severe....(what is it with me that I see a lot of severe people?)This sort of thing (not understanding other's emotions etc) can be seen on a varying spectrum with most people with Asperger's.
I really do think that almost all BPD folks should be mandated for therapy. I really do wish that they could find a cure......and I mean I can and do understand why a condition like this develops as a protective measure against an abusive sitution. It's interesting seeing that one person could have overcome an abusive sitution, and another develops a personailty disorder.
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Here is where you are making your mistake, DD. Asperger's is a neuroligical disorder. It has a biological etiology. BPD and sociopathic disorders are emotional/mental disorders. People with Asperger's are not egocentric and narcisstic. They have difficulty with pragmatics because of a neurological impairment in processing pragmatic information. Their behaviors are not learned coping mechanisms. Any behavior that is interpreted to be egocentric or narcisstic is actually the result of misinterpretation of information, not self centeredness. They do not behave as they do because they have a need to be the center of attention, and will use whatever means necessary to insure that they are the center of attention. However, that is the guiding motive behind an individual with BPD. They are motivated by a distored emotional need.

Please, you have to stop comparing the two disorders. Just because, on the surface, some of the behaviors might appear to be similar, it does not mean that the disorders are alike in any way shape or form.
 
This thread is about discussions of mental illnessess and conditions.

Any more offtopic posts pointing fingers will be removed and infractions will be given.
 
Example scenario:

Someone eating peanut butter cookies knowing theres a severe allergy that will put him in the ER. The cookies were a gift from an unsuspecting friend. The friend wouldn't have wanted him to eat the cookies if it caused him harm.

Another scenario:

Someone hiding identity with a hooded jacket sexually assaulting another so he could terrorize her into ending her visit and leaving the area, and seeming to not feel remorse nor understand the brutality of it.

Both scenarios suggest if it was the same person, he has a pattern of making horrifying choices that put himself and others in danger.

Does either of these scenarios suggest a mental disorder? If so, what kind?
 
Liza said:
Example scenario:

Someone eating peanut butter cookies knowing theres a severe allergy that will put him in the ER. The cookies were a gift from an unsuspecting friend. The friend wouldn't have wanted him to eat the cookies if it caused him harm.

Another scenario:

Someone hiding identity with a hooded jacket sexually assaulting another so he could terrorize her into ending her visit and leaving the area, and seeming to not feel remorse nor understand the brutality of it.

Both scenarios suggest if it was the same person, he has a pattern of making horrifying choices that put himself and others in danger.

Does either of these scenarios suggest a mental disorder? If so, what kind?
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Well, my first question would be, "Are these singular incidents or long standing patterns of behavior?" That information would be necessary to actually make a guess at a diagnosis based on the scenarios.

However, for the sake of discussion, let's say that these are long standing patterns of behavior for both persons. In that case, the first could be indicative of either symptoms associated with Munchausen's Syndrome or BPD, and the second could be indicative of one of the sociopathic disorders; most likely Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Because one scenario suggests self harming tendencies, and the second suggests violence directed toward another, chances are good that this would have been two separate individuals rather than one single individual committing both acts, unless the one individual has a comorbid diagnosis. The first suggests self harm in an attempt to gain attention and sympathy. The second suggests a narcissistic and egocentric personality that feels any action is justified against another if it serves to satisfy his needs.
 
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Liza said:
Example scenario:

Someone eating peanut butter cookies knowing theres a severe allergy that will put him in the ER. The cookies were a gift from an unsuspecting friend. The friend wouldn't have wanted him to eat the cookies if it caused him harm.

Another scenario:

Someone hiding identity with a hooded jacket sexually assaulting another so he could terrorize her into ending her visit and leaving the area, and seeming to not feel remorse nor understand the brutality of it.

Both scenarios suggest if it was the same person, he has a pattern of making horrifying choices that put himself and others in danger.

Does either of these scenarios suggest a mental disorder? If so, what kind?
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Those kinds of disorders are something that's best made by a certified/licensed professional.

I've even described people with similar issues, and no one could give me an answer.

I know someone who likely has a mental disorder. She's mean to her boyfriend and treats him like a slave by ordering him around all the time. She stays home all day watching television while everyone else takes care of her baby and her boyfriend works. When her boyfriend comes home from work, he's always cleaning up after her... around the house. She calls people names, especially one person which she makes it her obsession to degrade and give cruel comments. She says things like...

"retard"

"fatso"

"look at that... boom boom boom!"

"OMG! He's drinking a soda! He's gonna get fatter!"

"Damn! He's in the kitchen again!"

"Get the fuck out of my face fatass!"

"I'm sorry, my baby can't understand you! No one can!"

It's pretty bad. Yet, she refuses to get herself tested to see what's wrong with her. :roll:
 
VamPyroX said:
Those kinds of disorders are something that's best made by a certified/licensed professional.

I've even described people with similar issues, and no one could give me an answer.

I know someone who likely has a mental disorder. She's mean to her boyfriend and treats him like a slave by ordering him around all the time. She stays home all day watching television while everyone else takes care of her baby and her boyfriend works. When her boyfriend comes home from work, he's always cleaning up after her... around the house. She calls people names, especially one person which she makes it her obsession to degrade and give cruel comments. She says things like...

"retard"

"fatso"

"look at that... boom boom boom!"

"OMG! He's drinking a soda! He's gonna get fatter!"

"Damn! He's in the kitchen again!"

"Get the fuck out of my face fatass!"

"I'm sorry, my baby can't understand you! No one can!"

It's pretty bad. Yet, she refuses to get herself tested to see what's wrong with her. :roll:
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I agree with you, Vampy. She no doubt has some mental/emotional issues that she needs to deal with. But it is not unusual in someone who exhibits the symptoms you have described to think that the problem is not with them, but with everyone else.

Her boyfriend needs to draw a line, and tell her that this behavior is unacceptable, and that he will not tolerate her abuse any longer. One of two things will happen....she will get help, or she won't. Chances are good that she will hang onto her destructive behavior, and try to blame him for the break-up.

Sometimes, there is nothing we can do to help those we care about. The only thing we can do is remove ourselves from the destructive realtionship. But allowing her to continue in this abusive behavior is destructive for both of them. He can't force her to get help, but he can save himself from the negative impact of her behavior. Many people have the mistaken impression that if they just keep being tolerant, the abusive person will eventually come to their senses. This never happens. The tolerance just gives them permission to continue.
 
jillio said:
I agree with you, Vampy. She no doubt has some mental/emotional issues that she needs to deal with. But it is not unusual in someone who exhibits the symptoms you have described to think that the problem is not with them, but with everyone else.

Her boyfriend needs to draw a line, and tell her that this behavior is unacceptable, and that he will not tolerate her abuse any longer. One of two things will happen....she will get help, or she won't. Chances are good that she will hang onto her destructive behavior, and try to blame him for the break-up.

Sometimes, there is nothing we can do to help those we care about. The only thing we can do is remove ourselves from the destructive realtionship. But allowing her to continue in this abusive behavior is destructive for both of them. He can't force her to get help, but he can save himself from the negative impact of her behavior. Many people have the mistaken impression that if they just keep being tolerant, the abusive person will eventually come to their senses. This never happens. The tolerance just gives them permission to continue.
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He's still with her because of the baby.
 
VamPyroX said:
He's still with her because of the baby.
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I don't mean to sound harsh, but that's a poor excuse. If he is worried about that baby, he needs to realize that exposing a child to the kind of behavior this mother is exhibiting is harmful to the child. This child will grow up thinking that it is normal for women to bully men, and that everyone lives this way. Then she will behave in the same way, and it will create problems in her life. If it is a boy, he will think it is normal, too, and seek out women who bully him because he believes that is the way it is supposed to be.

He can petition for custody of his child whether they are married or not. I have a nephew who was not married to his older daughter's mother. The woman was abusive in many of the same ways that you described. He finally realized that it was unhealthy to stay in the relationship, petitioned for custody of his daughter, and won. He has had full cutody for 12 years now....since she was 1 year old.
 
jillio said:
I don't mean to sound harsh, but that's a poor excuse. If he is worried about that baby, he needs to realize that exposing a child to the kind of behavior this mother is exhibiting is harmful to the child. This child will grow up thinking that it is normal for women to bully men, and that everyone lives this way. Then she will behave in the same way, and it will create problems in her life. If it is a boy, he will think it is normal, too, and seek out women who bully him because he believes that is the way it is supposed to be.

He can petition for custody of his child whether they are married or not. I have a nephew who was not married to his older daughter's mother. The woman was abusive in many of the same ways that you described. He finally realized that it was unhealthy to stay in the relationship, petitioned for custody of his daughter, and won. He has had full cutody for 12 years now....since she was 1 year old.
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Well, there's a second on the way.

I think that he's waiting for the right time to do the right thing.
 
VamPyroX said:
Well, there's a second on the way.

I think that he's waiting for the right time to do the right thing.
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If he keeps making babies with her, he will always have a ready made excuse for not leaving and not putting her in a position of having to get help. Is it possible that he simply likes things the way they are, but doesn't want to admit it to his friends?
 
jillio said:
If he keeps making babies with her, he will always have a ready made excuse for not leaving and not putting her in a position of having to get help. Is it possible that he simply likes things the way they are, but doesn't want to admit it to his friends?
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Well, the second kid was a mistake. He regrets it.

We'll see where it goes for him. ;)
 
VamPyroX said:
Well, the second kid was a mistake. He regrets it.

We'll see where it goes for him. ;)
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Again, convenient excuse. It is still a situation that needs to be dealt with, especially with a new baby on the way.

Sounds as if chances are very good that he will choose to remain in this realtionship just the way it is.
 
Thanks for giving me to remember something about Borderline Personality Disorder..that is exactly I was/am looking for the description to the person's mental illness. I thought she may have Bi-Polar Mood Disorder. Someone Deaf woman in Bufalo...she is ..nevemrind, you know. MBPD or Serve BPD perfectly fits to her. Probably both BPD and BiPolar combination.
 
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Curious: where does depersonalization disorder fall in this discussion...how is it perceived in the eyes of the law?
 
Just wondering. Is it a sign of BPD if a person creates triangles between people? Like telling one person that an other person said something about her behind her back? It's almost like damage occurred at the toddler stage and the person cannot handle different relationships at one time. Insecurity turned into manipulation.
 
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